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Post by Cranky on Sept 15, 2014 15:01:08 GMT -5
So far, it's been a good year......if you are entertained by crisis and threats.
Putin......invading Ukraine and bringing back the cold war.
ISIS....planting bombs on Canadian soil?
Ebola....getting airborne and making shopping or going into crowds way too interesting.
My response to them is "f@** them all".....but I do have a backup generator, 3 months food supply and a box of N95's stocked up. Not living in fear and life goes on...but I'd be damned if I'm going to use "coulda' when it's so easy to take a minimum of measures.
What is your response to them in terms of concern? If so, do you usually stock up or are you "going with the flow".
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Sept 15, 2014 15:29:07 GMT -5
Don't see Justin Trudeau on the poll ... just sayin' ...  |
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Post by Cranky on Sept 15, 2014 15:39:02 GMT -5
Don't see Justin Trudeau on the poll ... just sayin' ... I'm offended by that! I have a "JUSTINE IS PRETTY" red bumper sticker on my car and a full size poster in my hallway! |
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Post by Polarice on Sept 15, 2014 15:47:51 GMT -5
I'm not as prepared as I want to be. I'm still sort of in limbo when it comes to my future as I just moved to Edmonton and don't plan on moving my family here for another year. Back in NS however, I would be fully prepared for whatever comes my way. Bring on the Zombie Apocalypse!!
I'll have to start thinking in "what if's" soon.
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Post by Cranky on Sept 17, 2014 2:03:59 GMT -5
I'm not as prepared as I want to be. I'm still sort of in limbo when it comes to my future as I just moved to Edmonton and don't plan on moving my family here for another year. Back in NS however, I would be fully prepared for whatever comes my way. Bring on the Zombie Apocalypse!! I'll have to start thinking in "what if's" soon. My reference point for a close to apocalyptic event was Greece going through the Great Depression. For them, it was far worse then what Canadians suffered. Even far worse then WW2. Talking to my parents and some of the generation that went through it as children, the towns and villages fared far better then the cities. In the cities domestic pets were food and hunger was simply the norm, in the towns/villages, there was always something to eat...and get through the day. I can see a parallel going through a crisis in NS as compared to a large city where the infrastructure of support will simply collapse under the huge numbers. Your problem is going to be...how do you get back if there is a pandemic and transportation is limited or banned. I'm not a "preper" waiting for the apocalypse but what is wrong with a little bit of common sense? How tough is it to have an extra bag of rice and a bit of canned food? We're talking about a few hundred dollars versus adding to a panic. Even if you go as far as we have, it's only a couple of thousand dollars......which was more then paid for by the savings she got by bulk buying. Case in point.....we had the flooding in Ontario a short while back that knocked off power in GTA. We lost power too. About three hours in, out came the $600 generator and did it's job powering the freezers and fridge. Some of my relatives moved in with the ones that had power, we just buckled down and actually had fun with the experience. What I did learn though was that people get mad if you don't "share". My neighbor wanted to hook up to my generator and when I said no, he was pissed off. He has no problem leasing three expensive cars and rotating one every year, but has no time or will to spend several hundred dollars on emergency preparedness. Let's hope that nothing ever comes our way because the vast majority haven't or won't give any thought to it. ......and because of that, I'm convinced our social veneer is no more then a week or two removed from urban Lord Of The Flies....... |
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Post by Polarice on Sept 17, 2014 8:45:41 GMT -5
I'm not as prepared as I want to be. I'm still sort of in limbo when it comes to my future as I just moved to Edmonton and don't plan on moving my family here for another year. Back in NS however, I would be fully prepared for whatever comes my way. Bring on the Zombie Apocalypse!! I'll have to start thinking in "what if's" soon. My reference point for a close to apocalyptic event was Greece going through the Great Depression. For them, it was far worse then what Canadians suffered. Even far worse then WW2. Talking to my parents and some of the generation that went through it as children, the towns and villages fared far better then the cities. In the cities domestic pets were food and hunger was simply the norm, in the towns/villages, there was always something to eat...and get through the day. I can see a parallel going through a crisis in NS as compared to a large city where the infrastructure of support will simply collapse under the huge numbers. Your problem is going to be...how do you get back if there is a pandemic and transportation is limited or banned. I'm not a "preper" waiting for the apocalypse but what is wrong with a little bit of common sense? How tough is it to have an extra bag of rice and a bit of canned food? We're talking about a few hundred dollars versus adding to a panic. Even if you go as far as we have, it's only a couple of thousand dollars......which was more then paid for by the savings she got by bulk buying. Case in point.....we had the flooding in Ontario a short while back that knocked off power in GTA. We lost power too. About three hours in, out came the $600 generator and did it's job powering the freezers and fridge. Some of my relatives moved in with the ones that had power, we just buckled down and actually had fun with the experience. What I did learn though was that people get mad if you don't "share". My neighbor wanted to hook up to my generator and when I said no, he was pissed off. He has no problem leasing three expensive cars and rotating one every year, but has no time or will to spend several hundred dollars on emergency preparedness. Let's hope that nothing ever comes our way because the vast majority haven't or won't give any thought to it. ......and because of that, I'm convinced our social veneer is no more then a week or two removed from urban Lord Of The Flies....... I'm not what you would call a prepper either....more in line with you. I do have an emergency bug out kit that I bought at Cabela's....basically a backpack with a few days supplies. I would feel a little better if I had a few of my firearms here, however, a baseball bat will have to do for now. I always have about 2 weeks of can food and water on hand thats not really for prepping just a habit from being a country boy. |
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Post by CentreHice on Sept 17, 2014 8:47:28 GMT -5
How long do you think it would take before one wished such "prep" should've included a gun or two…..or three…?
Should that be part of the plan from the get-go? Too late to reconsider once you're surrounded by the "unready" in full survival mode.
Forget people who don't like it if you don't share…once the stores and warehouses are empty, they'll come a-knockin' on your door--no doubt armed--and TAKE.
Comedian Bill Burr has a bit:
"I wanna get a gun. I do. I never had the feeling before, 'til I moved out to Los Angeles. This city just messes with your mind. It's over-populated...technically doesn't have a water supply. The dollar's crashing. Stuff keeps you up at night. What am I gonna do when the zombies come? So I start readin' up on stuff: Get some powdered food. Plant some zucchini. Get a windmill. And that's all well and good, but if you don't know how to fight, all you're doin' is gatherin' supplies for the toughest guy on the block..."
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Post by Polarice on Sept 17, 2014 9:54:14 GMT -5
It's true....everyone should have a firearm and be trained and willing to use it. I have several, but no way of transporting them from NS to Alberta. This winter however, I will likely get a permit and buy one or two just to have in my closet.
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Post by franko on Sept 17, 2014 10:06:10 GMT -5
It's true....everyone should have a firearm and be trained and willing to use it. I have several, but no way of transporting them from NS to Alberta. This winter however, I will likely get a permit and buy one or two just to have in my closet. you need to get in touch with my son and borrow one of his  edit: appears to be a growing number of Habs fans in Edmonton . . . NWTHF is not alone! |
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Post by Cranky on Sept 17, 2014 12:19:42 GMT -5
How long do you think it would take before one wished such "prep" should've included a gun or two…..or three…? Should that be part of the plan from the get-go? Too late to reconsider once you're surrounded by the "unready" in full survival mode. Forget people who don't like it if you don't share…once the stores and warehouses are empty, they'll come a-knockin' on your door--no doubt armed--and TAKE. Comedian Bill Burr has a bit: "I wanna get a gun. I do. I never had the feeling before, 'til I moved out to Los Angeles. This city just messes with your mind. It's over-populated...technically doesn't have a water supply. The dollar's crashing. Stuff keeps you up at night. What am I gonna do when the zombies come? So I start readin' up on stuff: Get some powdered food. Plant some zucchini. Get a windmill. And that's all well and good, but if you don't know how to fight, all you're doin' is gatherin' supplies for the toughest guy on the block..."You mean a restricted license? LOL! I guess you missed the conversation between Dis and me. I'll tell you what my problem is with "sharing". In the case of the generator, it wasn't about saving their food, it was about "watching some tv". For me, it's about powering the furnace, saving the food, taking to work to power the boiler to keep the place from freezing and breaking all the pipes.....but to them and I bet to the majority, their iPad ain't got juice....CRISIS! Now having said that, BOTH my neighbors on either side bought generators. How's that for a lesson? LOL! On the other hand, I bet they wont start them for a couple of years and wonder why they wont start when they need them. And yes, I absolutely agree, when the stores are empty, panic will melt the social veneer in a hurry.....*sigh* |
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Post by Habs_fan_in_LA on Sept 17, 2014 12:27:41 GMT -5
I picked ISIS but only because Obama wasn't on the list. Those guys are crazy. Today it's Iraq and Syria, women in Burkas and behead Christians. Think they will stop at their borders?
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Post by Cranky on Sept 17, 2014 12:33:51 GMT -5
I'm not what you would call a prepper either....more in line with you. I do have an emergency bug out kit that I bought at Cabela's....basically a backpack with a few days supplies. I would feel a little better if I had a few of my firearms here, however, a baseball bat will have to do for now. I always have about 2 weeks of can food and water on hand thats not really for prepping just a habit from being a country boy. Far more of a target when you're stationary. Country people are ALWAYS better prepared then the city concrete beehive dwellers. My bigger beef is with suburban people who can easily get a bit more prepared....but are too lazy. *hello neighbors* |
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Post by Cranky on Sept 17, 2014 12:49:29 GMT -5
It's true....everyone should have a firearm and be trained and willing to use it. I have several, but no way of transporting them from NS to Alberta. This winter however, I will likely get a permit and buy one or two just to have in my closet. If you have one in the closet, you better train the wife and all the adult kids how to use it. I don't care if they hate guns and walk around spreading rose petals...if there is a weapon in the house, it WILL be used against someone who is not prepared to use it first. My wife did not want learn how to use it under any circumstance....until someone tried to break into our house in broad daylight..... |
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Post by Polarice on Sept 17, 2014 13:01:21 GMT -5
It's true....everyone should have a firearm and be trained and willing to use it. I have several, but no way of transporting them from NS to Alberta. This winter however, I will likely get a permit and buy one or two just to have in my closet. If you have one in the closet, you better train the wife and all the adult kids how to use it. I don't care if they hate guns and walk around spreading rose petals...if there is a weapon in the house, it WILL be used against someone who is not prepared to use it first. My wife did not want learn how to use it under any circumstance....until someone tried to break into our house in broad daylight..... Everyone in my household knows how to use a firearm....the wife is an army brat!! Also, I've trained them all basic self defense and knife combat training. Whether or not they choose to use force when needed is going to be the question....I hope the training pays off and they do what they have to do. I think the wife is basically hoping that I'm around to take care of things if need be. The one thing I recommend people to have is some sort of dirt bike....one that doesn't need a electronic starter. They are cheap to buy and easy to maintain, good to use if one has to bug out quick. |
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Post by Cranky on Sept 17, 2014 13:16:32 GMT -5
Is a big adventure bike good enough? LOL!
Of course, the big boss does not want to ride on it....so if we have to bug out, I'll tie one of those heavy chains I use to move machines onto her mountain bike and pull her behind me....now THAT will be some sight! LOL!
Quick story.....when we first met, I bought her one of those old Honda Civics so she could come down and visit me. Her motor quit half way down......so I went up, couldn't get the motor started and towed her the rest of the way. That car couldn't do 100kph on a downhill, but was doing 130 tied behind a Benz!
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Sept 17, 2014 23:50:22 GMT -5
It's true....everyone should have a firearm and be trained and willing to use it. I have several, but no way of transporting them from NS to Alberta. This winter however, I will likely get a permit and buy one or two just to have in my closet. If you have one in the closet, you better train the wife and all the adult kids how to use it. I don't care if they hate guns and walk around spreading rose petals...if there is a weapon in the house, it WILL be used against someone who is not prepared to use it first. My wife did not want learn how to use it under any circumstance....until someone tried to break into our house in broad daylight..... You'll need to be qualified before using a firearm here in Canada, which is a very good thing ... can't see us getting to the point where our society would condone the use of firearms for personal safety ... it would mean changing the mindset and the culture ... however, knowing how to use a weapon and actually using it are two different things ... did 23 years regular army and while we used our weapons frequently, I had a problem with just pointing an empty weapon at someone as part of a scenario ... I haven't kept one in the house for a long time, but I will be bringing one home shortly ... an antique rifle; Martini Henry (with bayonet and scabbard) and I'll still have to take a safety course to own it ... the most I'll show my wife and son is how to make the rifle safe (not hard for an 1860-ish weapon) ... I'll never have ammunition for it in the house (there are cartridges available for it) so that's not an issue ... like HFLA's Obama reference ... he's done some good domestically, but this mess in Ukraine is due to his inaction more than anything else ... I don't know if Putin has any more expansionist plans, but if he does he'd better get it in before Obama (who looks like he's been kicked around a bit) is removed from office ... by the way, the next crisis is well underway and it will affect everyone ... it's entirely possible that American dollar will be replaced as the world's reserve currency ... the US GDP is $18.8 trillion and China's GDP is $18.2 trillion and, as such, "the balance of global economic power has shifted." ... ISIS wouldn't be able to touch the scale of the catastrophy to the US economny ... Cheers. |
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Post by GNick99 on Sept 18, 2014 1:39:31 GMT -5
Every year has its apocalypse. Last year it was Syria, Israel/Palestine, Boston Marathon bombings. Ten years ago it was Bin Laden, a Sniper, SARS. When I was a kid it was Russia about to drop a nuclear bomb on us, Vietnam, Watergate, Energy Crisis,
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Post by Polarice on Sept 18, 2014 8:51:47 GMT -5
I'm not a prepper, I'm more of a planer. One of my friends father has a hunting camp about ten miles from anyone in the middle of the woods. If something happens he said he will head there. Has a diesel generator, because he said gas breaks down too quick, a hand dug well and a little river. has a couple solar panels to run some small electronics and a few supplies stored there. Has a wood stove for heat and cooking on as well.
I think this may be an option for me.....besides having a place to bug out too, it would be nice to have a place to go on the weekends just to get out of the city every now and again.
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Sept 18, 2014 16:03:44 GMT -5
One thing about Putin ... he seems to have his act together unlike his counterparts in the US ...
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Post by Cranky on Sept 18, 2014 16:54:45 GMT -5
Fess'up Dis, by bringing The EmptySuit and The NiceHairBoy into the same thread, you're trying to damage my fragile mind!
One can hate Harper, Thatcher, Reagan and any number of hairy chested politicians, but you knew one thing, they didn't waffle and wheeze in the breeze......while the world spun around them.
BTW...did you see Petro Poroshenko standing ovation in Parliament? And 1.2 million Ukraine Canadians did and they know who doesn't waffle and wheeze......
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Sept 18, 2014 19:13:40 GMT -5
Fess'up Dis, by bringing The EmptySuit and The NiceHairBoy into the same thread, you're trying to damage my fragile mind! One can hate Harper, Thatcher, Reagan and any number of hairy chested politicians, but you knew one thing, they didn't waffle and wheeze in the breeze......while the world spun around them. BTW...did you see Petro Poroshenko standing ovation in Parliament? And 1.2 million Ukraine Canadians did and they know who doesn't waffle and wheeze...... Yeah, I saw it ... he looked grateful, but helpless at the same time ... sanctions on Russia will do nothing ... whatever they need they'll get through China and China can get anything ... things should never have been allowed to get to this point ... in Syria, there's not a lot the western (NATO) countries can really do without putting boots on the ground and these societies just won't have it ... Putin knows this, too ... war-weary western societies, combined with a weak white house administration, probably gave Putin the combination for him to go "all in" on Crimea and Ukraine ... Cheers. |
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Post by seventeen on Sept 19, 2014 2:07:00 GMT -5
I don't see Harper on the ballot.
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Sept 19, 2014 13:52:44 GMT -5
I don't see Harper on the ballot. He's too busy avoiding the press, parliament and people, in general ... leaning towards Jack Layton's legacy ... don't think they'll repeat their success of the last election, not with the Trudeaumania II juggernaut already in motion ... a Tory minority government was working well before the coalition pissed everyone off by going back to the polls ... Harper's rise to a majority was more about Liberal ineptness and weak leadership (Dion and Ignatief were the best of what remained from the Martin/Chretien feud, I guess), than it was respect for the Tories ... besides, with a minority he won't be able to walk away from debates when he wants ... he'll have to include all of parliament with an minority ... I think Harper knows what best to do internationally for Canada than the others ... as a country, Canada is internationally very-well respected but, domestically, he's going to have to start talking to the people if he's to have any chance against Trudeau ... oh yeah ... ISIS ... they wouldn't be in Iraq if it weren't for the 2002 invasion of Iraq ... the Coalition of the Willing pretty much changed the dynamic of the region ... but the world reserve currency bought a few more years of existence ... it's under attack again, though ... wonder what the US will do about that ... Cheers. |
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Post by franko on Sept 19, 2014 14:09:20 GMT -5
Harper is after his own legacy now . . . needs to win one more election (minority or not) then he's gone. unfortunately, it looks like the leadership cupboard is bare -- looks like he "Mulroney'd" the party.
then again, I didn't figure Wynne for a majority so . . .
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Post by Cranky on Sept 19, 2014 14:30:46 GMT -5
You may not like Harper, after all, he has a secret agenda....but you will certainly enjoy the sight of DramaQueen trying to play act in the big leagues.
Imagine the conversation between Putin and the DramaQueen.......
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Post by Cranky on Sept 19, 2014 14:39:04 GMT -5
Harper is after his own legacy now . . . needs to win one more election (minority or not) then he's gone. unfortunately, it looks like the leadership cupboard is bare -- looks like he "Mulroney'd" the party. then again, I didn't figure Wynne for a majority so . . . There are PLENTY of candidates to take over. Don't be surprised if someone like Brad Wall steps up. I was hoping that the Liberals would elect someone like Marc Garneau, a man with serious gravitas, instead we get the exact opposite, a preening, vacuous hair ball. |
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Post by franko on Sept 19, 2014 17:19:02 GMT -5
Harper is after his own legacy now . . . needs to win one more election (minority or not) then he's gone. unfortunately, it looks like the leadership cupboard is bare -- looks like he "Mulroney'd" the party. then again, I didn't figure Wynne for a majority so . . . There are PLENTY of candidates to take over. Don't be surprised if someone like Brad Wall steps up. I was hoping that the Liberals would elect someone like Marc Garneau, a man with serious gravitas, instead we get the exact opposite, a preening, vacuous hair ball. I will back up just a bit and say "in Federal politics". Those in Ottawa who are being mentioned (there are a few) are, I think, too close to the Harper government (some would TM that) to hold a winning hand. Brad Wall would do well . . . but still have the "but he's from out west" sign hanging on him (although non-Garneau has the "but he's from Quebec where real and true leaders come from" has that on him). Should be an interesting year of politicking/campaigning. |
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Sept 19, 2014 17:33:47 GMT -5
You may not like Harper, after all, he has a secret agenda....but you will certainly enjoy the sight of DramaQueen trying to play act in the big leagues. Imagine the conversation between Putin and the DramaQueen....... We've talked about ISIS, Ebola and Putin, so this is the "what's next" part of the thread title (sorry for jacking the thread, HA) ... internationally I really don't think he matches up to Harper, who has earned a lot of respect for the country abroad ... I'm thinking we might see a big turnout for the next federal election ... lots of people are already talking about it ... his dad used slide down bannisters and do pirouettes for the camera, but he knew what he was doing internationally, especially with the US ... domestically, I thought he divided the country with the National Energy Program (NEP) ... Mulroney eventually got rid of that but people were still talking about it when Mrs Dis and I went west earlier this year ... but, even given all of that, to a lot of (eastern) people the name "Trudeau" is synonymous with Canadian political royalty and he's picked the right time to milk it: ... personality traits will probably be an issue in the next election ... the outgoing, unpredictably-emotional, outwardly-trying-hard-to-be-empathic, people's choice in Trudeau (the one we see in your clip), to the stoic, distant man in blue in Harper and this is what may defeat him next year ... like Trudeau the Elder, Harper has done well internationally for Canada, but I'm not so sure his legacy will reflect that ... a cut and paste; "... While many politicians are remembered for what they built, Prime Minister Stephen Harper's legacy may have more to do with what he dismantled" ... interesting times coming in the next few years ... Justin Trudeau will eventually be PM and when he is I'm hoping he has a minority government so as to learn the ropes of parliament ... this is about the only way I can see Trudeau the Younger actually functioning in the House ... in the short term, anyway ... Cheers. |
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Post by Cranky on Sept 19, 2014 18:34:14 GMT -5
... interesting times coming in the next few years ... Justin Trudeau will eventually be PM and when he is I'm hoping he has a minority government so as to learn the ropes of parliament ... this is about the only way I can see Trudeau the Younger actually functioning in the House ... in the short term, anyway ... Cheers. I don't buy the "eventually" part at all. He loses a majority to Harper and there will be consequences. There is no manifest destiny for good hair prime ministers. They can't really hide that he's the Sponge Bob of international politics and he can't play act leadership. There is not a single thing he has ever said that had any gravitas. Zero. Nada. Other then babbling about pot and rehashing little spurts about how much he hates Harper, there is nothing but air head moments. From China to joking about Putins invasion, every time he's off script, he's lack of depth comes through. Give him a little Chihuahua to pet while talking and I'm sure Paris Hilton will vote for him. Meanwhile serious man like Garneau is eclipsed by nice hair. |
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Post by Cranky on Sept 19, 2014 18:45:36 GMT -5
There are PLENTY of candidates to take over. Don't be surprised if someone like Brad Wall steps up. I was hoping that the Liberals would elect someone like Marc Garneau, a man with serious gravitas, instead we get the exact opposite, a preening, vacuous hair ball. I will back up just a bit and say "in Federal politics". Those in Ottawa who are being mentioned (there are a few) are, I think, too close to the Harper government (some would TM that) to hold a winning hand. Brad Wall would do well . . . but still have the "but he's from out west" sign hanging on him (although non-Garneau has the "but he's from Quebec where real and true leaders come from" has that on him). Should be an interesting year of politicking/campaigning. Best case scenario is that Harper wins again, Trudeau joke is tossed away and we have a real election between Wall and Garneau. I wold vote either way and feel confident we have real leadership. Both domestically and internationally. Then again, we should never underestimate the power of nice hair..... |
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