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Post by CentreHice on Oct 29, 2014 9:41:18 GMT -5
After 10 games….we sit atop the league with 16 pts. (Tied with the Ducks).
Unbelievable, considering the glaring problem areas….
With 13 minors in the last two games, the Habs also sit atop the league in TSH at 43. Ref-aided aside, good thing we have Price and a solid PK (5th overall; 2nd in the East, behind Detroit.)
Our PP sits at 24th. 3/29. 10.3%. 0-fer on the road.
Imagine how good we'd be with improved discipline and a PP?
Coaches have work to do.
I like DD….but he continues to get knocked off the puck too easily. And no matter how hard he works, he can't seem to draw a penalty. In a playoff grind, he'll eventually be neutralized.
To have him and BGally on the same line won't work in the long run. Scouting that line is easy. Check the two smaller guys and Pacioretty won't see the puck.
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Post by jkr on Oct 29, 2014 9:47:45 GMT -5
The effort was bad across the board, much worse than against Edmonton where they actually played pretty well. But who does Therrien single out again....why Lars Eller of course. Despite taking over the Tomas Plekanec role on the team and doing a fairly decent job with a stiff like Rene Bourque on his wing, Eller seems like he's back where he was last year. In MT's doghouse and preferred whipping boy. I get that his line needs to produce, which it did last night on the only goal, but in a game where we took 7 penalties and lots of guys didn't show up, why is it that Eller takes the hit? What bothers me is that in this time it is not a single coach running the show. The whole staff must feel the same way or they are just yes men. Either way it's a bad situation.
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Post by Willie Dog on Oct 29, 2014 9:56:52 GMT -5
Out of Eller and Bork, MT needs to sit Bork because he has no hockey IQ, no desire and kills any momentum the line generates... it won't happen though, Bork is his pet. I think MT has a thing against blondes.
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Post by Willie Dog on Oct 29, 2014 9:59:35 GMT -5
The effort was bad across the board, much worse than against Edmonton where they actually played pretty well. But who does Therrien single out again....why Lars Eller of course. Despite taking over the Tomas Plekanec role on the team and doing a fairly decent job with a stiff like Rene Bourque on his wing, Eller seems like he's back where he was last year. In MT's doghouse and preferred whipping boy. I get that his line needs to produce, which it did last night on the only goal, but in a game where we took 7 penalties and lots of guys didn't show up, why is it that Eller takes the hit? What bothers me is that in this time it is not a single coach running the show. The whole staff must feel the same way or they are just yes men. Either way it's a bad situation. MT runs the show and he's the boss, I don't believe it is run by committee. I think Gallant did a lot more than he was given credit for IMO. Gallant was the players coach I think and the team misses that.
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Post by Marvin on Oct 29, 2014 10:24:45 GMT -5
Well boys and girls, I'm posting on consecutive days. And that's because I was at the game last night with my son, and WE WON!!!
I lived in Montreal until 1998, saw many games at the Forum and Bell Centre, and my share of winning games. Since moving to Calgary, my luck has been pretty lousy. To finally see a win last night...well I can't put it into words. The best feeling was looking over at my 16yr old son, knowing that he carries the same love and passion that I have had for over 45 years for the Habs. There was NOTHING like walking out of that building last night, along with hundreds of thousands of Habs fans, all chanting, "Carey! Carey!, Carey!" We WON! The 12yr wait was soooo worth it.
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Oct 29, 2014 10:29:36 GMT -5
Well boys and girls, I'm posting on consecutive days. And that's because I was at the game last night with my son, and WE WON!!! I lived in Montreal until 1998, saw many games at the Forum and Bell Centre, and my share of winning games. Since moving to Calgary, my luck has been pretty lousy. To finally see a win last night...well I can't put it into words. The best feeling was looking over at my 16yr old son, knowing that he carries the same love and passion that I have had for over 45 years for the Habs. There was NOTHING like walking out of that building last night, along with hundreds of thousands of Habs fans, all chanting, "Carey! Carey!, Carey!" We WON! The 12yr wait was soooo worth it. Glad you had a good time, Marv ... I was there last October to see the Flames/Habs and the one thing I remember, in addition to us losing 3-2, was how nice the Calgary fans were ... they were just plain nice people who had a good time at the game ... tried to raise my son a Habs fan, but grandpa (RIP) would have none of it ... Leaf fan, eh ... again, glad you had a good time ... Cheers.
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Post by Boston_Habs on Oct 29, 2014 10:30:22 GMT -5
There needs to be a shake-up in Vancouver. 1 regulation goal in the last 2 games against inferior teams doesn't cut it. Vancouver isn't a rough and tumble team, so it's an ideal spot to get Bournival and Sekac in the flow and get Moen and Bourque in the press box. I'd even settle for just sitting Moen and putting Bournival with Eller and Bourque to give that line some more energy.
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Post by Marvin on Oct 29, 2014 10:37:46 GMT -5
Thanks for the comments, Disgruntled70sHab. I fully admit that the Habs did not deserve to win the game. If not for Carey, the score would have been very different. Still after waiting so long to see a win, I'll savour this moment for a while.
I'd also caution those who consider the Flames to be an inferior team to pay close attention. I watch just about every one of their games, and you'd be hard-pressed to find a harder working team. Unfortunately they are in a conference with some powerhouse teams, but put them in the eastern conference and I'm fairly certain they'd be battling for a playoff position.
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Post by Willie Dog on Oct 29, 2014 10:40:09 GMT -5
Thanks for the comments, Disgruntled70sHab. I fully admit that the Habs did not deserve to win the game. If not for Carey, the score would have been very different. Still after waiting so long to see a win, I'll savour this moment for a while. I'd also caution those who consider the Flames to be an inferior team to pay close attention. I watch just about every one of their games, and you'd be hard-pressed to find a harder working team. Unfortunately they are in a conference with some powerhouse teams, but put them in the eastern conference and I'm fairly certain they'd be battling for a playoff position. I wonder what Hartley could have done in MTL?
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Post by habernac on Oct 29, 2014 10:41:14 GMT -5
Well boys and girls, I'm posting on consecutive days. And that's because I was at the game last night with my son, and WE WON!!! I lived in Montreal until 1998, saw many games at the Forum and Bell Centre, and my share of winning games. Since moving to Calgary, my luck has been pretty lousy. To finally see a win last night...well I can't put it into words. The best feeling was looking over at my 16yr old son, knowing that he carries the same love and passion that I have had for over 45 years for the Habs. There was NOTHING like walking out of that building last night, along with hundreds of thousands of Habs fans, all chanting, "Carey! Carey!, Carey!" We WON! The 12yr wait was soooo worth it. that was fun, wasn't it?
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Post by 24in93 on Oct 29, 2014 11:19:07 GMT -5
Kypreos on the Fan 590 still talking about Tinordi needing to be suspended or disciplined for the knee.
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Post by jkr on Oct 29, 2014 11:28:19 GMT -5
Kypreos on the Fan 590 still talking about Tinordi needing to be suspended or disciplined for the knee. And being a Toronto station, he's probably getting no push back. This wasn't one of those Bryan Marchment predatory hits.
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Post by habernac on Oct 29, 2014 11:35:15 GMT -5
Stajan ran into him! There shouldn't have even been a penalty on the play.
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Post by CentreHice on Oct 29, 2014 11:37:09 GMT -5
Kypreos on the Fan 590 still talking about Tinordi needing to be suspended or disciplined for the knee. And being a Toronto station, he's probably getting no push back. This wasn't one of those Bryan Marchment predatory hits. After seeing the replay, how can he possibly say Tinordi deserves supplemental discipline? Likely because it was a precious former Leaf who was injured. Glad Kypreos isn't on Campbell's staff.
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Post by franko on Oct 29, 2014 11:45:09 GMT -5
I'd also caution those who consider the Flames to be an inferior team to pay close attention. I watch just about every one of their games, and you'd be hard-pressed to find a harder working team. Unfortunately they are in a conference with some powerhouse teams, but put them in the eastern conference and I'm fairly certain they'd be battling for a playoff position. do they still give the hard hat out after every game? the thing would be gathering dust in the Habs dressing room!
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Post by seventeen on Oct 29, 2014 12:00:39 GMT -5
Kypreos on the Fan 590 still talking about Tinordi needing to be suspended or disciplined for the knee. Kypreos seems to have it in for Jared, but then we know how high Nick's hockey IQ is (or isn't). I missed the entire game so am speaking from just highlights, but I ran that play forward and back and it looks more like Stajan running into Tinordi than Tinner doing anything to Stajan. As BC says, Tinordi just stood there. The good news is that Tinordi is looking more and more like a physical beast. Stajan got injured from just running into a tree. While I feel for Stajan, who I like, he has to do a better job of avoiding bodies. You will all know that I am not a Therrien fan, but I've been giving him credit at various times for good moves. So he deserves some criticism as well. I would much have preferred Bob Hartley as our coach. Someone who's actually won something more than once in 20 years. I understand that in OT, Therrien put out Dale Weise and Rene Bourque as a forward unit. WTF. And Lars Eller gets benched for a dumb penalty. Remember that penalty DD took against Ference in Edmonton? Utterly stupid. Good thing he was benched too. What's that? He wasn't? Oh.... more of Therrien's consistency and meritocracy. He speaks with a forked tongue. I haven't read the book, but Terry Ryan, who played for Therrien for the Habs farm team ages ago, says Therrien has his whipping boys and he can treat them like dirt for no real reason the rest of us can understand. Ryan said he scored two or 3 points one game, got into a fight, was a star of the game and Therrien sat him out the next game. When Ryan complained, Therrien explained that he did so, basically because he could. It's really hard to respect a coach who handles players that way, so its no wonder I don't like Therrien. Anyway, I got away from Bourque and went to Eller (who probably needs to relax instead of getting more hyped). Rene Bourque - I can only think he has something on Therrien. Is there any other explanation? So Rene has 1 point in 10 games. That's on pace for 8 points this year. I had no illusions at all about his playoff performance. If you go back, some of his points/goals were effort laced with some luck. I'll take those anytime, but one also has to expect that sort of performance can go away very easily. As it has. He still can't take or give a pass very well and he has no vision at all. He has a hard shot, period. He's an average skater, an average hitter and a below average thinker. He wouldn't be playing if I was the coach, but I can't help thinking Therrien and Bergevin are forcing his ice time to be able to move him for some kind of value. Try Garth Snow, Marc, as he's the only guy I can think of who might fall for him. Other than that, just getting him off the roster is a win. (There, is that enough, Franko?) From some stuff I read today...we are the most penalized team in the league and we've had the fewest PP opportunities. This is after 10 games so its not absolute, but its a pretty good sample. That tells me we're not really working as hard as we could be. Calgary's a hard working team (there's that coaching thing again) with a lot less talent than us, but they made us look bad yesterday (so I hear). I don't think refs are picking on us. They might be off their game at times (the Tinordi penalty for example and a couple of others I recall from previous games), but usually they just miss something because they didn't see it and try to make a decision based on context (the crowd, the other players etc.). If you're working harder than the other guys, you force them to cheat and possibly take penalties. We're not working harder, so the bigger question is why not? I'll leave it there.
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Post by Habs_fan_in_LA on Oct 29, 2014 12:25:14 GMT -5
I'd also caution those who consider the Flames to be an inferior team to pay close attention. I watch just about every one of their games, and you'd be hard-pressed to find a harder working team. Unfortunately they are in a conference with some powerhouse teams, but put them in the eastern conference and I'm fairly certain they'd be battling for a playoff position. do they still give the hard hat out after every game? the thing would be gathering dust in the Habs dressing room! Calgary had a superior and FASTER defense than ours and that includes the 9 million dollar man. T.J. Brodie, my #1 star Johnny Gaudreau, their Gallagher with a bit more speed, better puckhandling, higher IQ, better release, fewer crease penalties but less grit and slot presence. Dennis Wideman, Mark Giordano and Jiri Hudler round out a very good team. We helped them look good last night. When Bourque crosses the blue line he reminds me of an Iraqi soldier faced with a band of ISIS JV rebels. Drop the puck, drop your stick and run for cover. Moen tries but he has all the puck handling skill of Terry Harper with a broken street hockey stick. His hockey sense would be better suited to an Indian field hockey team. Nice guy, thanks for the effort, find a nice house in Hamilton and get on with your career. Any time you can get this many HabsRus posters to agree on something, it must be true.
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Post by Habs_fan_in_LA on Oct 29, 2014 12:27:07 GMT -5
Stajan ran into him! There shouldn't have even been a penalty on the play. Agree 100%.
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Post by Polarice on Oct 29, 2014 12:53:53 GMT -5
Stajan ran into him! There shouldn't have even been a penalty on the play. Agreed.....you can see after the collision that Tinordi turns away from the puck to put a beating on Stajan before he gets jumped.
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Post by franko on Oct 29, 2014 12:54:14 GMT -5
I understand that in OT, Therrien put out Dale Weise and Rene Bourque as a forward unit. WTF. couldn't believe it myself. thought I was seeing things. simply amazing. as badly as I think he is doing the teams still wins. so he's here for another year (knew it when that contract was signed). TSN 690 was talking about him this morning. I think that they feel as we do. suggest that he must have learned something since the last time he was here . . . but I don't think they're enamored with the guy. a 10 game losing streak is the only way he's going anywhere, and even then it's iffy. sigh
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Post by seventeen on Oct 29, 2014 13:05:27 GMT -5
I think his contract was extended well beyond next year, Franko. Was it a 4 year extension? I can only recall felling depressed.
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Oct 29, 2014 13:07:31 GMT -5
I understand that in OT, Therrien put out Dale Weise and Rene Bourque as a forward unit. WTF. I don't mind Weise being out there ... he's been playing like he wants to keep his job ever since he sat out ... Love it ... More of Therrien's autocracy ... I've worked for people like this and, thankfully, the majority of them never lasted ... talking this way to your employees is a convenient, albeit condescending, way of not addressing the question ... it only makes them indignant and it's hard gaining their respect back once that happens ... The bottom line for Marc Bergevin might be the 8-2 record his team has under Therrien but I find that, itself, is a bit misleading ... like you said, the team could be playing better and I'd like to know the reasons for that ... maybe we're just lucky, but we can't be relying on that all the time ... Cheers.
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Post by franko on Oct 29, 2014 13:29:17 GMT -5
I think his contract was extended well beyond next year, Franko. Was it a 4 year extension? I can only recall felling depressed. ya it's long term. very depressed. I knew that he was in Montreal for a couple of years, not the November of this year I was hoping.
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Post by UberCranky on Oct 29, 2014 15:07:43 GMT -5
Some talking heads say that we are not full value for our record. Kind of hard to argue this is you look at the minutes leading to trailing.
I'm thrilled we are 8-2 only BECAUSE we are 8-2. Not because we are a dominating team whose record reflects that.
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Post by Polarice on Oct 29, 2014 15:29:10 GMT -5
Kypreos on the Fan 590 still talking about Tinordi needing to be suspended or disciplined for the knee. This is why Kipper has it out for Tinordi.
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Post by seventeen on Oct 29, 2014 16:42:48 GMT -5
Tinordi in one of his London Knights junior games thrashing Nick's son? I thought at first it might be Mark beating up on Nick. Loved it. The Beast is back. And he can play.
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Post by Willie Dog on Oct 29, 2014 16:53:03 GMT -5
Kypreos on the Fan 590 still talking about Tinordi needing to be suspended or disciplined for the knee. This is why Kipper has it out for Tinordi. They mentioned this on the melnyk show on tsn690 i chuckled when i heard it... jarred would destroy kypreos
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Post by CentreHice on Oct 29, 2014 19:26:50 GMT -5
Stajan out for up to six weeks.
A classic example of an unfortunate hockey play....much like Emelin's knee injury after hitting Lucic....or Crosby needing dental surgery because of a puck in the face.
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Post by Marvin on Oct 29, 2014 19:41:42 GMT -5
Living in Cgy, I see all their games so I'll offer this opinion:
TJ Brodie and M Giordano are for real. Kris Russell is a good puck-moving defenceman, but is undersized. The rest of the Calgary defence is nothing to write home about.
Of their forwards, Monahan is for real. He might take a step backwards offensively this year, but you can see that the guy has the talent, the desire and the drive. The rest are guys who couldn't crack other teams or who were traded. Colborne might be the exception here as he never really got the minutes in Toronto that he is getting in Calgary. One thing for certain, their forwards all have a great work ethic.
Comparing Gaudreau to Gallagher makes no sense to me. Gaudreau is much more offensively-gifted, but he doesn't come anywhere near Gallagher's grit. The only commonality between the two is their (lack of) size, but even then, Gaudreau is even smaller than Gallagher.
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Oct 29, 2014 20:18:20 GMT -5
Living in Cgy, I see all their games so I'll offer this opinion: TJ Brodie and M Giordano are for real. Kris Russell is a good puck-moving defenceman, but is undersized. The rest of the Calgary defence is nothing to write home about. Of their forwards, Monahan is for real. He might take a step backwards offensively this year, but you can see that the guy has the talent, the desire and the drive. The rest are guys who couldn't crack other teams or who were traded. Colborne might be the exception here as he never really got the minutes in Toronto that he is getting in Calgary. One thing for certain, their forwards all have a great work ethic. Comparing Gaudreau to Gallagher makes no sense to me. Gaudreau is much more offensively-gifted, but he doesn't come anywhere near Gallagher's grit. The only commonality between the two is their (lack of) size, but even then, Gaudreau is even smaller than Gallagher. There are some rinks that just give us problems ... I wondered if Montreal might try to move up and try to snag Monahan, but I had heard they were really looking at Bo Horvath ... saw Sean score a goal against us last year at the Saddledome ... as for the Flames, overall, their coach seems to have a different approach ... we should have been able to blow that lineup away, but they always play well against us ... I think Calgary is as good as they're going to get but I also feel that our club hasn't shown us their best for too long ... they're a lot better than they're showing, I think anyway ... Cheers.
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