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Post by Willie Dog on Nov 24, 2014 8:19:40 GMT -5
I read that MacT is interested in Eller and is offering Perron. MacT wants a centre.
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Post by franko on Nov 24, 2014 8:26:27 GMT -5
does Perron not have injury issues?
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Post by BadCompany on Nov 24, 2014 8:49:56 GMT -5
Perron had concussion issues a few years back, but seems to be healthy now. Hasn't missed any significant time in the last two years (or this year).
He's actually a guy that I thought we should target. Good sized winger with good offensive ability.
Darren Dreger reported over the weekend that the Oilers were dangling Perron for a "top center". I'm not sure what MacTavish's definition of a "top center" is, or why he thought anybody would give one up for Perron, but that's what the report said. It should be noted that this comes on the heels of Perron publicly stating that "something has to change" in Edmonton.
"Something has to change," (Perron) said. "When you are making those mistakes, something needs to happen. They are the same mistakes we were doing last year. We keep talking about how much better we are this year, but for me it is the same record now that we had last year. It is not better."
Don't think Perron meant that as wanting out, nor do I think he meant that as a shot at the coaching and/or management staff, but I guess it could be taken that way. If I had to guess I would say that Mactavish (or Kevin Lowe) leaked this trade rumor to Dreger in a rather pathetic attempt to show Perron who the bosses are, to get him to tow the company line.
That whole organization is a mess, if you ask me.
EDIT:
I just checked the timeline of Perron's concussion. He suffered it in November of 2010, and missed over a year with it, coming back to the ice in December of 2011. Since then though he has only missed four games, playing in 162 of the last 166 (which includes playoffs).
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Post by GNick99 on Nov 24, 2014 9:55:55 GMT -5
I read that MacT is interested in Eller and is offering Perron. MacT wants a centre. I would pass. Double he is much of an upgrade over Sekac or Gallagher. Or whomever it is he bumps off the second line. I'd give Hudon the chance in March over Perron. Eller has been playing better as of late. Habs shouldn't make another trade unless it is a big name |
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Post by franko on Nov 24, 2014 10:00:27 GMT -5
thanks, BC. I think Eller may be a bit much for him, but then again I'm only a fan and I admit my bias (I like Eller) and propensity to over-value our own players and undervalue others (although I think I got it right with Bourque). Unfortunately (cross-threading), Perron does not alleviate the problem we have with our first line centre. DD is still on the team with Max (and probably Perron). the crazy thing is that so many see that DD should not be on the top line. this is the team depth chart according to CBSSports:  |
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Post by Polarice on Nov 24, 2014 11:03:55 GMT -5
I would offer up Desharnais before I would let Eller go!!
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Post by CentreHice on Nov 24, 2014 11:10:03 GMT -5
I would offer up Desharnais before I would let Eller go!! Yeah…who wouldn't want the #1 centre of the 1st place Habs? |
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Post by blny on Nov 24, 2014 11:38:27 GMT -5
www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mc7rjICR5coDeadly wrister, but he seems like another PAP to me. I'm just not sure he's who I'd trade Eller for. A lot of the highlights in that youtube link are power play goals. 28g,57p and a -16 last year. He'll be 27 in May, and he has another year left on his deal at a cap hit of $3.8125 million (actual salary will be $4.5 million). He's listed as a LW, while he shoots right. IMO, he's not a first line player and shouldn't get a first line player back. In that sense, I guess Eller 'works'. I'm not convinced Eller, even given the minutes trading DD would create, is capable of putting up the points.
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Post by Willie Dog on Nov 24, 2014 11:44:10 GMT -5
www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mc7rjICR5coDeadly wrister, but he seems like another PAP to me. I'm just not sure he's who I'd trade Eller for. A lot of the highlights in that youtube link are power play goals. 28g,57p and a -16 last year. He'll be 27 in May, and he has another year left on his deal at a cap hit of $3.8125 million (actual salary will be $4.5 million). He's listed as a LW, while he shoots right. IMO, he's not a first line player and shouldn't get a first line player back. In that sense, I guess Eller 'works'. I'm not convinced Eller, even given the minutes trading DD would create, is capable of putting up the points. Eller would stay on the third line, Galchy would replace DD. The first line would be Patches - Glachy - PAP, the second line would be Perron - Pleky - bGal. The 1st and 2nd line each have a shooter on it. |
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Post by jkr on Nov 24, 2014 13:32:52 GMT -5
If MacTavish is serious about improving the Oilers he'll have to offer up a lot more than Perron.
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Post by blny on Nov 24, 2014 13:34:30 GMT -5
www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mc7rjICR5coDeadly wrister, but he seems like another PAP to me. I'm just not sure he's who I'd trade Eller for. A lot of the highlights in that youtube link are power play goals. 28g,57p and a -16 last year. He'll be 27 in May, and he has another year left on his deal at a cap hit of $3.8125 million (actual salary will be $4.5 million). He's listed as a LW, while he shoots right. IMO, he's not a first line player and shouldn't get a first line player back. In that sense, I guess Eller 'works'. I'm not convinced Eller, even given the minutes trading DD would create, is capable of putting up the points. Eller would stay on the third line, Galchy would replace DD. The first line would be Patches - Glachy - PAP, the second line would be Perron - Pleky - aGal. The 1st and 2nd line each have a shooter on it. If DD was the one going the other way. |
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Post by Willie Dog on Nov 24, 2014 14:13:52 GMT -5
Eller would stay on the third line, Galchy would replace DD. The first line would be Patches - Glachy - PAP, the second line would be Perron - Pleky - bGal. The 1st and 2nd line each have a shooter on it. If DD was the one going the other way. Exactly. |
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Post by Willie Dog on Nov 24, 2014 14:14:57 GMT -5
If MacTavish is serious about improving the Oilers he'll have to offer up a lot more than Perron. He said he's not touching the core, we'll see where that gets him. |
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Post by jkr on Nov 24, 2014 14:36:06 GMT -5
If MacTavish is serious about improving the Oilers he'll have to offer up a lot more than Perron. He said he's not touching the core, we'll see where that gets him. Nowhere. Offering up Perron & expecting a front line centre shows how delusional he is. |
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Post by blny on Nov 24, 2014 14:46:17 GMT -5
He said he's not touching the core, we'll see where that gets him. Nowhere. Offering up Perron & expecting a front line centre shows how delusional he is. My opinion as well. Perron is a good second liner, not necessarily a first liner. He's top tier 'secondary scoring' on an elite team. I'm not sure where he fits with us, regardless of which center we offered/they accepted. Pacioretty-DD-PAP Perron-Plekanec-Gallagher Prust-Galchenyuk-Sekac Weise-Malhotra or Pacioretty-Plekanec-PAP Perron-Galchenyuk-Gallagher Prust-Eller-Sekac Weise-Malhotra  If we're not going to get bigger, I want that average-sized player to be elite. For me, Perron isn't that player. |
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Post by seventeen on Nov 24, 2014 15:13:49 GMT -5
This is not an Oilers Forum, but that team's decline and Kevin Lowe' s stewardship have a good correlation. Lowe was GM in 2000. The team had 5 seasons in the 90 point range and have then gone downhill. Lowe was promoted to Prez in 2008. I think McTavish is smarter, but maybe Lowe can overrule him on a trade.  |
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Post by christrpn on Nov 25, 2014 19:52:31 GMT -5
Bob Mackenzie stated that, in his opinion, trades WILL come out of Edmonton and anyone outside RNH and Taylor hall is in play. this isn't @rumorbreak or @the_creay. this is THE insider. heads are going to roll soon. I wonder if Calgary's success has anything to do with these decisions. Edmonton has been in rebuild mode for years, whereas Calgary has been for one and look at them now.
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Post by blny on Nov 25, 2014 20:26:16 GMT -5
Bob Mackenzie stated that, in his opinion, trades WILL come out of Edmonton and anyone outside RNH and Taylor hall is in play. this isn't @rumorbreak or @the_creay. this is THE insider. heads are going to roll soon. I wonder if Calgary's success has anything to do with these decisions. Edmonton has been in rebuild mode for years, whereas Calgary has been for one and look at them now. Just to add, Bob also said that the name teams keep calling about is Eberle. The Oilers are going to have to give to get. Given the visible desperation, the Oilers may have to pay more than they want. They're not dealing from a position of strength. This is make or break for Lowe and company, or should be. |
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Post by BadCompany on Nov 26, 2014 8:12:57 GMT -5
The rumours this morning are Perron to the Blue Jackets for Artem Anisimov, as being reported by Aaron Ward on TSN.  |
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Post by Polarice on Nov 26, 2014 10:09:39 GMT -5
I don't see how that trade makes the oilers any better.
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Post by seventeen on Nov 26, 2014 10:55:35 GMT -5
The OIlers' biggest problems seem to be weakness at the back end (goaltending has fallen off from late last season) and mental toughness. If MacT picked up a few guys who aren't afraid to get their noses dirty and to support their teammates, the spirit and morale would improve and the team would look more like Calgary than like the Oilers. Some little changes might make a big difference, but not a Perron for Anisimov deal. That's talent for talent.
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Post by jkr on Nov 26, 2014 17:55:35 GMT -5
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Post by blny on Nov 26, 2014 20:23:09 GMT -5
Did Anisimov play any with Yak at the worlds?
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Post by Disp on Nov 27, 2014 8:06:17 GMT -5
Trading for any of the oilers core is probably going to lead to buyers remorse and severe depreciation. The value put on some of these players is insane. If they were that good, why the heck aren't they winning more? I get that there are other issues there, but damn. After reading some speculation around the net, If they flipped everyone for what they think they should get they'd be a cup contender with a fully stocked farm. Pretty big jump from one of the worst teams in the league.
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Post by christrpn on Dec 2, 2014 18:34:19 GMT -5
Things are not going well for Mac T and the Oil. This seems to be the same territory Houle was in with Roy. Eventually Mac T is going to get fleeced and there is nothing he can do about it. They have to change personnel. They've gone through several coaches and nothing. New GM, nothing. So they are left with the players or the owner....
In order to get anyone of value from Edmonton (RNH, Eberle, Hall) there will have to be significant salary going back. at this point, I'm not sure giving Pleks (salary) is the answer.
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Post by seventeen on Dec 3, 2014 2:20:53 GMT -5
Katz simply won't remove Kevin Lowe and he's at the root of the problems. Just another really good player who couldn't make the transition to management. They collected a number of talented individuals (and missed on some drafts0, but they haven't figure out how to build a team.
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Dec 3, 2014 10:04:36 GMT -5
Things are not going well for Mac T and the Oil. This seems to be the same territory Houle was in with Roy. Eventually Mac T is going to get fleeced and there is nothing he can do about it. They have to change personnel. They've gone through several coaches and nothing. New GM, nothing. So they are left with the players or the owner.... In order to get anyone of value from Edmonton (RNH, Eberle, Hall) there will have to be significant salary going back. at this point, I'm not sure giving Pleks (salary) is the answer. I'm not sure that moving Pleks would be a good thing for the club at this point in time ... I mean, we've been discussing about a lack of leadership in our ranks as it stands now ... Gionta, Gorges, Moen and Budaj all brought varying levels of leadership that is no longer there ... I like what Pleks brings to the table and he's a big time part of our team ... Cheers. |
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Post by christrpn on Dec 3, 2014 17:31:54 GMT -5
Things are not going well for Mac T and the Oil. This seems to be the same territory Houle was in with Roy. Eventually Mac T is going to get fleeced and there is nothing he can do about it. They have to change personnel. They've gone through several coaches and nothing. New GM, nothing. So they are left with the players or the owner.... In order to get anyone of value from Edmonton (RNH, Eberle, Hall) there will have to be significant salary going back. at this point, I'm not sure giving Pleks (salary) is the answer. I'm not sure that moving Pleks would be a good thing for the club at this point in time ... I mean, we've been discussing about a lack of leadership in our ranks as it stands now ... Gionta, Gorges, Moen and Budaj all brought varying levels of leadership that is no longer there ... I like what Pleks brings to the table and he's a big time part of our team ... Cheers. I agree, I mentionned Plek beacause of his salary. No one else of value on the team would clear enough space to bring one of the Oils young talents here. |
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Post by Disp on Dec 3, 2014 17:45:35 GMT -5
Katz simply won't remove Kevin Lowe and he's at the root of the problems. Just another really good player who couldn't make the transition to management. They collected a number of talented individuals (and missed on some drafts0, but they haven't figure out how to build a team. I read somewhere that over the last decade or so, the oilers have only drafted 3 guys after the first round that have played nhl hockey. One of them was the guy who scored the 2 shorties vs them the other night. Haven't verified this factoid, but if it's even close to the truth, that is some brutal drafting. Especially considering where they pick all the time. |
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Post by BadCompany on Dec 4, 2014 8:50:17 GMT -5
At this point the smart thing for the Oilers to do would be to probably just throw in the towel on the season. Ride it out, dump guys like Perron and Ferrence (if they can) for some more picks, and get that lottery prospect. Again. Yes, heads will roll - and they should - but barring a spectacular, 15 in-a-row turnaround, I think they're already done.
Then, in the offseason, they can make some moves for proven winners. Like what the Islanders did, bringing in Halak, Boychuck and Leddy. Two former Cup winners, and a goalie who just finds a way to win. What they really need is some men with hair on their chest. I get that the Oilers tried to do that with guys like Pouilot and Ferrence, but... it's Pouliot and Ferrence. They need some guys who hate losing in there, and aside from Eberle I'm not sure they really have that now. And Eberle seems to be beaten down.
So if that is the plan then I'm not really sure we're a good match for them. I'd say only Prust really fits that description of the type of player who is going to go through a wall and then turn around and spit on the rubble. Gallagher too, I suppose. But I'm not sure we want to give up either of those players (though I have floated the idea of dealing Gallagher in the past). If I'm the Oiler's GM I would be waiting until the draft, and then start targeting some young veterans on Cup contending teams, perhaps those with some Cap problems (Chicago?). Offer up some second and third round picks. Change the culture there. Get some guys in there to teach those kids how to win.
But then this is the Oilers we're talking about, so who knows what they will do?
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