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Post by CentreHice on Feb 12, 2015 22:13:57 GMT -5
Didn't even deserve the single.
Gilbert takes out Toker and there's an empty net waiting for the winner in OT.
3 crap efforts against bottom feeders in the past few games.
Unacceptable.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2015 22:16:55 GMT -5
Our defense looked absolutely wretched tonight. Tokarski himself looked questionable on two of the goals.
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Post by jkr on Feb 12, 2015 22:18:30 GMT -5
2nd loss to Edmonton this year. A loss to Arizona. Losses to Buffalo.
I find it hard to take them seriously when I see such inconsistent effort. Totally outplayed from the 3rd period on by the 29th place team.
Subban awful defensively tonight & Plekanec with a bad play on the empty net that would have sealed the win.
Tokarski doesn't inspire confidence. Yes he made some saves but the Oilers hit a post & Hendricks fanned on a shortie attempt with him down & out.
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Post by Disp on Feb 12, 2015 22:18:27 GMT -5
Just terrible. I haven't seen PK play that badly, probably ever.
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Post by habsorbed on Feb 12, 2015 22:36:52 GMT -5
Very lucky point. These guys thought they could sleepwalk through this one. They clearly weren't prepared to play. All the d played bad - PK in particular. Pleks with numerous brain cramps (hand on puck, blows the empty netter), Max thinking he's Guy Lafleur in OT. Feel bad for Toker who played great and would have been first star in a raucous building if not for Pleks' numerous brain cramps. Read more: habsrus.proboards.com/thread/18682/oilers-habs-ot-lucky-point#ixzz3RanNjNUz
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Feb 12, 2015 23:03:53 GMT -5
This was both incredibly disappointing and somewhat predictable.
Don't like either attribute.
Of all teams....
Man that defense was atrocious tonight.
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Post by Anardil1 on Feb 12, 2015 23:38:27 GMT -5
No wonder no one outside of Quebec believes that the Habs are contenders. It reienforces their opinions that the Habs are PRICE and little else, every single time they play a bottom feeder. And frankly, I`m starting to agree with those Hab naysayers. This team still cannot be considered serious Cup challengers.
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Post by Disp on Feb 12, 2015 23:45:45 GMT -5
When you're giving up primo scoring chances to Gazdic you know the guys are in lala land. He'd have had a 2 goal night with my hands.
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Feb 13, 2015 0:00:25 GMT -5
No wonder no one outside of Quebec believes that the Habs are contenders. It reienforces their opinions that the Habs are PRICE and little else, every single time they play a bottom feeder. And frankly, I`m starting to agree with those Hab naysayers. This team still cannot be considered serious Cup challengers. Sat beside a table of Oiler fans tonight who were on the "If not for Price" bandwagon. One was reflective and did reinforce that the goalie is part of the team. They were all right. Cannot expect a win every night. It is a long and tough season. But, the games when Carey is off or on the bench are nothing like the games when he carries this team. It is not all Carey, but he gives this team swagger when he needs it. There may be no "C" on the jerseys this year, but we all know what straw stirs this drink.
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Post by Disp on Feb 13, 2015 0:30:02 GMT -5
It's like that, to a certain extent, for every team. How many teams could do well without their starter? Some teams have a crappy starter so it makes no difference.
Oh, my hands suck by the way.
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Feb 13, 2015 0:37:02 GMT -5
The better team won ... it's almost like our team doesn't want first place ... like CH said, it was a lucky point ... but that point first overall in the conference ... that said, I remember our club going on a bit of a slide just around the trade deadline last year too ... not giving up on them ... great meeting up with Willie and Franko tonight ... we'll be doing it again I dare say ...
Cheers.
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Post by 24andcounting on Feb 13, 2015 1:01:23 GMT -5
I agree with everything said here thus far. What bothers me even more is that after such a joke of game Galchenyuk and Subban are still out tweeting jokes like nothing happened. They get their millions either way but the fans in the stands are the big losers and are probably more disappointed than the team.
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Post by blny on Feb 13, 2015 2:01:03 GMT -5
It's been something of a common thread for most of the top teams this year. They've all been guilty of playing down to their competition. It's hard to say whether or not the Habs are guiltier given their position in the standings. I'll say this though, of the teams in the top 5, the Habs had a game in hand on most of them. This was a prime opportunity to secure two points. One is better than none, but they've got to be better against the lesser lights.
Today might be the first day of this season that names available for trade officially 'dropped'. Maybe it was a distraction. Maybe it wasn't. Either way, there better be a more concerted effort Saturday.
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Post by seventeen on Feb 13, 2015 2:30:55 GMT -5
Either way, there better be a more concerted effort Saturday. I doubt it very much. The team will look at a bottom feeder that's been lambasted in the press for their terrible play and reduce their own game down to the lowest common denominator. We'll coast, but with Carey instead of Toker we'll win the game in OT or a shootout. I predict 4-3.
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Post by franko on Feb 13, 2015 7:30:16 GMT -5
MT was none too complimentary about the team . . . and I say "good on him" for being honest and not trying to blow smoke.
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Feb 13, 2015 7:34:10 GMT -5
MT was none too complimentary about the team . . . and I say "good on him" for being honest and not trying to blow smoke. They play to the level of their competition ... would like to see them establish their own identity ... Cheers.
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Post by Skilly on Feb 13, 2015 7:46:48 GMT -5
2nd loss to Edmonton this year. A loss to Arizona. Losses to Buffalo. I'm not worried. Both losses to Edmonton, Tokarski was in net and looked shaky. Hard to say if we would have won the 3-0 game with Price in net, but definitely would have won last night IMO. The loss to Arizona, Tokarski was in net. I thought he looked really lost that game as well. Price has only started once against Buffalo (a loss), all other losses were with Tokarski. I don't remember how he played in those games, but I sense a pattern.
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Post by BadCompany on Feb 13, 2015 7:50:37 GMT -5
My fault guys. When it was 2-0 I said "well maybe we'll finally have that blow-out game where it's over by the middle of the second".
I take full responsible for the loss.
Subban looked like he thought he was going to set some sort of scoring record tonight, the way he was trying to dipsy-doodle all over the place. Some times the best places are the simplest. And Plekanec... geez, fire the freaking puck! It looked like he passed it to Petry on that empty net. I know Petry had position on him, and Plekanec was looking to Prust for the pass, but once that wasn't there take a real shot! If Petry wants to play goalie, then let him play goalie! Gilbert... well, I gotta tell you the more I see Gilbert the more angry I get at Josh Gorges for refusing to go to Toronto. I mean, I get it, but I'd rather have Franson than Gilbert, even if Franson walks as a UFA this summer. So yeah, bad Josh, bad!
Very frustrating, but we still managed to take over top spot in the conference with the loser point. Only in the NHL...
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Feb 13, 2015 7:52:05 GMT -5
2nd loss to Edmonton this year. A loss to Arizona. Losses to Buffalo. I'm not worried. Both losses to Edmonton, Tokarski was in net and looked shaky. Hard to say if we would have won the 3-0 game with Price in net, but definitely would have won last night IMO. The loss to Arizona, Tokarski was in net. I thought he looked really lost that game as well. Price has only started once against Buffalo (a loss), all other losses were with Tokarski. I don't remember how he played in those games, but I sense a pattern. First place in the conference with three games in hand over Tampa ... that's a team we really need to beat ... I thought the effort could have been better, but it's a good point about Tokarski ... Cheers.
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Post by Willie Dog on Feb 13, 2015 9:00:28 GMT -5
over all I'm happy with the way they have played this season, sure they've had struggles against bottom feeders, but is there nothing better than beating the Bruins, in their own barn, to complete a season sweep. In a few short years they have gone from bottom dweller to top of the conference, how many Sens/Laffs/Oiler fans would love to be in our shoes right now, with the talent we have. As for last nights game, I was pleased to see MT get peeved. He's really done an amazing job of keeping his cool behind the bench. Years ago he would have been like Mount Vesuvius, although I wouldn't mind him losing it last night considering how sloppy they were playing. One benefit is we don't have to worry about them playing bottom feeders in the playoffs, the bottom feeders won't be there
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Post by Gogie on Feb 13, 2015 9:12:39 GMT -5
One of the play by play commentators mentioned early in the game last night that MT has been good with giving the team a break on off days - they only had a light practice on Wednesday before last night's game. Perhaps today is worthy of a bag skate for the lads.
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Post by Willie Dog on Feb 13, 2015 9:26:21 GMT -5
Mitch Melnyk tweeted the following after last nights game and he's right on the money
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Post by Boston_Habs on Feb 13, 2015 9:28:44 GMT -5
over all I'm happy with the way they have played this season, sure they've had struggles against bottom feeders, but is there nothing better than beating the Bruins, in their own barn, to complete a season sweep. I mostly agree. This was a lazy effort against a bad team in the middle of February. It's frustrating that we've played down to the competition with some bad losses against bad teams, but we are also on pace for around 110 points and I think we are playing better than we did last year. A few stats: * 6th in the conference in even strength goals per 60 minutes (2.35) * 2nd in the conference in even strength GF/GA * 1st in the conference in PDO (save pct. + shooting pct) Now 2 of those stats are tied to goaltening, but we were 14th in the Eastern Conference last year in even strength goals per 60 minutes at 2.04. We are now at 2.35 so that's a 15% improvement over last year at even strength. Also, we were one of the worst Corsi teams in the whole league last year and we are closer to the middle of the pack this year at just under 50%. That and the eye test tells me this is a much better team than last year (pre-Vanek acquisition). They handled Boston on the road and destroyed Philly, two teams that have historically played us tough. They got too cocky last night and paid the price. I still think Tampa is the most dangerous team to get past in the playoffs and I'd like to see us pick up another dman but I'm not too bothered by last night's game.
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Post by Willie Dog on Feb 13, 2015 9:31:25 GMT -5
over all I'm happy with the way they have played this season, sure they've had struggles against bottom feeders, but is there nothing better than beating the Bruins, in their own barn, to complete a season sweep. I mostly agree. This was a lazy effort against a bad team in the middle of February. It's frustrating that we've played down to the competition with some bad losses against bad teams, but we are also on pace for around 110 points and I think we are playing better than we did last year. A few stats: * 6th in the conference in even strength goals per 60 minutes (2.35) * 2nd in the conference in even strength GF/GA * 1st in the conference in PDO (save pct. + shooting pct) Now 2 of those stats are tied to goaltening, but we were 14th in the Eastern Conference last year in even strength goals per 60 minutes at 2.04. We are now at 2.35 so that's a 15% improvement over last year at even strength. Also, we were one of the worst Corsi teams in the whole league last year and we are closer to the middle of the pack this year at just under 50%. That and the eye test tells me this is a much better team than last year (pre-Vanek acquisition). They handled Boston on the road and destroyed Philly, two teams that have historically played us tough. They got too cocky last night and paid the price. I still think Tampa is the most dangerous team to get past in the playoffs and I'd like to see us pick up another dman but I'm not too bothered by last night's game. I agree about Tampa, we need to get into Bishop's head like we do with Rask.
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Post by Willie Dog on Feb 13, 2015 9:33:56 GMT -5
2nd loss to Edmonton this year. A loss to Arizona. Losses to Buffalo. I'm not worried. Both losses to Edmonton, Tokarski was in net and looked shaky. Hard to say if we would have won the 3-0 game with Price in net, but definitely would have won last night IMO. The loss to Arizona, Tokarski was in net. I thought he looked really lost that game as well. Price has only started once against Buffalo (a loss), all other losses were with Tokarski. I don't remember how he played in those games, but I sense a pattern. I saw this and it made me laugh... Poor Toker....It's true because he spent a lot of his time on all fours with his head down.
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Post by habernac on Feb 13, 2015 9:45:34 GMT -5
glad I was at the movies and missed this turkey. All my Oiler fan buddies are giving me grief today.
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Post by CentreHice on Feb 13, 2015 10:08:00 GMT -5
MT, post-game: "We played a really bad game, in all aspects. Lucky to get the point."
While I'm sure he breaks it down further than that basic fan analysis...I'm even more convinced that he's only as good as Price plays.
How can a supposed quality coach not make in-game adjustments against aquarium algae eaters? Odd-man rushes all night….outshot 38-26.
It happens way too often in other games, too.
Too many points solely on the back of first-star performances by Price.
It's as plain as day, IMO.
That said…we're stuck with him behind the bench for the foreseeable future.
MB has to make some acquisitions if Price has any chance at turning a Hart-Vezina year into a Conn Smythe year as well.
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Post by franko on Feb 13, 2015 10:18:50 GMT -5
Poor Toker....It's true because he spent a lot of his time on all fours with his head down. he was probably sick to his stomach with the way the team in front of him played.
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Post by franko on Feb 13, 2015 10:23:29 GMT -5
How can a supposed quality coach not make in-game adjustments against aquarium algae eaters? Odd-man rushes all night….outshot 38-26. While I'm no fan of or apologist for MT, he can tell the team all he wants what to do or not do on the ice, and he can't do thing one if they don't listen. who's to say that he didn't try to make adjustments and the team just continued to play pond hockey? I mean, Pleks knows better than to play how he did -- not MT's fault did I really just stick up for him? yes, the team will go only as far as the goaltending will take them . . . but that's with every team. as was said, we don't play the bottom feeders in the playoffs, and that's a good thing!
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Post by Willie Dog on Feb 13, 2015 10:37:51 GMT -5
How can a supposed quality coach not make in-game adjustments against aquarium algae eaters? Odd-man rushes all night….outshot 38-26. While I'm no fan of or apologist for MT, he can tell the team all he wants what to do or not do on the ice, and he can't do thing one if they don't listen. who's to say that he didn't try to make adjustments and the team just continued to play pond hockey? I mean, Pleks knows better than to play how he did -- not MT's fault did I really just stick up for him? yes, the team will go only as far as the goaltending will take them . . . but that's with every team. as was said, we don't play the bottom feeders in the playoffs, and that's a good thing! I agree Franko, I'm no MT fan either but if the boys play like this against bottom feeders, I can't believe a coach, any coach, wouldn't be talking to the team between and in game to get them going. As stated, MT was not happy after the game. It will be interesting to see if he 'punishes' them or not. He can bag skate them to show them how displeased he is with their level of effort (he hasn't done that this year I don't think) or he can go soft on them (which I think he has after losing to other bottom feeders). I for one hope he bag skates them just so they understand losing to a bottom feeder is worse than losing to a contender.
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