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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Apr 16, 2015 6:07:20 GMT -5
Thought Therrien was fined the last time he threatened the opposition ... it was during his first tenure in Montreal I think ... Cheers. Are you referring to the throat-cut gesture when McLaren elbowed Zednik? Bring on the hate. Sens want to try and bully, our guys seem willing to stand up and even fight back. I think that was the incident, Mattias ... at the time Zednik was the best player in the playoffs before McLaren launched "the mother of all cheap shots" (Red Fisher) ... Cheers.
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Post by Disp on Apr 16, 2015 6:47:02 GMT -5
Remind me not to join you on any outings. Play enough and you're going to get a few bumps and bruises. Even if he has a hairline fracture or a bad bruise, no need for the theatrics. It would be hilarious if the nhl fined the sens for grandstanding and issued a warning/fine for diving.
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Post by jkr on Apr 16, 2015 6:53:37 GMT -5
Anybody remember the infamous Kovalev incident in OT against the Bruins. Even AK didn't go down, just stopped playing. The twist, the fall, the grimace ; c'mon Stone. Look at that replay again & tell us with a straight face that you were really injured.
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Post by blny on Apr 16, 2015 6:59:11 GMT -5
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Post by franko on Apr 16, 2015 7:05:30 GMT -5
Interested to hear McGuire's reaction to the PK slash in Ottawa as oppressed to Montreal.
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Post by duster on Apr 16, 2015 7:09:49 GMT -5
No matter how you see it, PK should not have done his Bobby Clarke imitation on Stone. There was no subtlety and no reason really for it. That said, Cameron threatening retaliation is even more stupid. I wouldn't be surprised to see Neil make an appearance next game. It's the playoffs and people do stupid things - referees included.
There was lots to like about the first game. Hammond was exposed as AHL material and got lucky more than once. The Habs got scoring from where they least expected it which is always a treat. The defense played great in the third period. I really liked how Petry stepped it up after PK was sent off. I hope MB tries everything in his power to retain him in the post season. Smith-Pelly also had a good game as did Gallagher. I think the Sens where driven to distraction by the latter which means he was doing his job.
On the negative side, DD did not have one of his better games and I expected more from Parenteau. I don't think either are suited for this kind of series.
The hockey was exciting and I really enjoyed the game. It was edge of your seat playoff hockey. On the other hand, I watched the game in English and the best thing I can say about the broadcast is it was complete bovine excrement. I miss RDS.
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Post by BadCompany on Apr 16, 2015 7:20:30 GMT -5
Aaaaaaaannnnnd.... it's on! Some Random Thoughts: * I think Subban gets suspended. I hope not, but I think he does. I think Cameron's rant actually forces the league to suspend him. Series management and all that. If they don't suspend Subban, and then Pacioretty gets his arm broken... well, you know how that will look. So I think they will suspend Subban for 1 or 2 games. The fear then of course, is that players will be flopping and running to the dressing room every time somebody farts in their general direction. So I expect the Habs to get one, probably two embellishment calls next game, and the Sens to get one as well, for appearances. I hope I'm wrong, but that's what I think will happen. * So if Subban is suspended, who do you bring in, and where do you play him? I think it would be between Pateryn and Gonchar, and the only reason I even consider Gonchar is because of the experience. With Pateryn and Beaulieu (who looked shaky at times) you'd have two quasi-rookies on the blue line. On the other hand, Gonchar is slow, and could easily get exploited by a speedy Sens team. Who you bring in could also impact the rest of the pairings; if you bring in Pateryn do you play him with Markov? Do you move Petry up to play with Markov and put Gonchar with Emelin? Pateryn and Beaulieu together? Personally I'd take a chance on Pateryn with Markov, and cut their ice time. Make Petry and Emelin your first pairing, and see who steps up for the second pairing. Lesser minutes might help Markov, who I thought was terrible last night, even if his own-goal was a fluke. * For one day Marc Bergevin looks like a genius. Flynn and Mitchell with the first and second stars, Petry playing as the #1 defenseman, DSP hitting the post, and pretty much everything else, and even Tom Gilbert stepping up. * Does Pacioretty play next game? I thought that they should keep him out until they lose, and they haven't lost yet, so... Of course that's just me, and if he's 100% he plays. I just thought that if he was only say 70% then maybe a few more days would be beneficial in the long run. But it's a gamble. You don't want to take your foot off your opponents throat... ever. So if he plays, who comes out? The easy answer would be Desharnais, but he's a center and taking out a center jumbles the rest of your lineup. So for me it's between Parenteau and De la Rose. I thought De La Rose had an iffy game, and while that could just be first-playoff-game-ever nerves, I've also thought he's been slowing down for a few games now. But it's not like Parenteau was lights out either. Either way I think it could work; Weise - Eller - Pacioretty, or D-Train - Desharnais - Pacioretty. A highly entertaining game. We always forget just how much hate there is during the playoffs, and it's always so much more fun when it's played that way. Not really sustainable mind you, but a lot of fun. Having said that, I hope we beat them 4-1 next game. Comfortably enough that my heart recovers, but close enough that they don't know what to do with their goalie. Maybe have us outshoot them 43-19 or something like that, and score two powerplay goals. That way they won't know whether or not to pull Hammond.
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Post by habernac on Apr 16, 2015 7:24:46 GMT -5
PK has to be smarter than that. Every time I think he's finally getting it he does something dumb. The two hander was dumb. Stone is definitely hurt. You don't go in and out of the lineup in the playoffs if you're feeling fine. Petry was a beast, really stepped up. I had to double check Flynn's first name as he's been a rather forgettable player s far, well done!
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Apr 16, 2015 7:59:07 GMT -5
... If they don't suspend Subban, and then Pacioretty gets his arm broken... well, you know how that will look. If any of Montreal's best players are taken out of the series by deliberate attempts to injure after Cameron puts a bounty on their heads, then I'd look at criminal liability ... he might have been jacked with adrenaline after the game, but he's got to get a grip on his blurting when he's in front of the camera ... Couldn't tell you what the officials will be doing before the game, but I suspect they were already talking about what to do for Game 2 as early as last night ... if I'm the head official for Game 2, I'm advising both benches that: a. Be very careful about farting in general directions cheap shots ... you will be burned have the book thrown at you ... b. Post-whistle scrums ... I don't care which team it is, I'm just picking one player from the scrum to go to the box ... don't care what he may/may not have done, that's the way it's going to be ... c. Brief your teams about diving ... we will not be embarrassed again ... Nice to have a choice ... I'd consider Pateryn because of the physical element to his game ... can't have enough of that in the playoffs ... maybe he'll lay out Mark Stone ... dunno ... I'd agree in that it was a great game to watch ... a little too close for my liking, but a good game nonetheless ... Lord help the first one who gets tagged for diving (whether it's a dive or not) ... Cheers.
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Post by PTH on Apr 16, 2015 7:59:33 GMT -5
....So if he plays, who comes out? The easy answer would be Desharnais, but he's a center and taking out a center jumbles the rest of your lineup. So for me it's between Parenteau and De la Rose. I thought De La Rose had an iffy game, and while that could just be first-playoff-game-ever nerves, I've also thought he's been slowing down for a few games now. But it's not like Parenteau was lights out either. Either way I think it could work; Weise - Eller - Pacioretty, or D-Train - Desharnais - Pacioretty.... I think PArenteau has to be a candidate, though it's true that DLR seemed unable to step up his intensity. I also wonder if they aren't making the same mistake as Boston made with us last season: concentrating on playing us physically (thinking we'll fold) and not playing enough actual hockey.
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Post by Disp on Apr 16, 2015 8:01:02 GMT -5
PK is no dumber than thousands of other dmen that have played the game and handed out slashes like that. It's only noticeable because he's got a target on him, and Stone pulled a Ribeiro.
Some guys keep doing it their whole careers, eventually it just becomes part of their game, and they end up gaining an advantage. The refs just don't call them at the same standard. If you pussy foot around and only pull that crap once and awhile, you'll probably get called more often. It's ridiculous, but true.
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Post by franko on Apr 16, 2015 8:12:53 GMT -5
... If they don't suspend Subban, and then Pacioretty gets his arm broken... well, you know how that will look. If any of Montreal's best players are taken out of the series by deliberate attempts to injure after Cameron puts a bounty on their heads, then I'd look at criminal liability ... he might have been jacked with adrenaline after the game, but he's got to get a grip on his blurting when he's in front of the camera ... heard the comment and thought "Bertuzzi".
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Post by CentreHice on Apr 16, 2015 8:17:39 GMT -5
PK has to be smarter than that. Every time I think he's finally getting it he does something dumb. The two hander was dumb. Stone is definitely hurt. You don't go in and out of the lineup in the playoffs if you're feeling fine. I thought it was really dumb at the time, and I still do. We were already down a man. I don't buy that a slash like that happens all the time. Subban shortened up on the stick and delivered a well-aimed hack at the wrist. But I think the 5-and-a-game was both warranted and enough. The league has to fine Cameron for his ultimatum/threat. If Subban is suspended, it won't be because he deserves it…or because of Cameron's comment. Colin Campbell has a history dealing with the Habs on both sides of the suspension fence. It's a silver platter opportunity to stick it to us.
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Post by habernac on Apr 16, 2015 8:45:30 GMT -5
I would love to have been a fly on the wall after the game when Therrien talked to Subban. I hope he read him the riot act.
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Post by CentreHice on Apr 16, 2015 8:57:41 GMT -5
At the same time, Methot and Borowiecki are getting away with a lot of cheap stuff...roughing, crosschecking....
Refs are, so far, calling it one way....and that's no surprise to me.
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Post by blny on Apr 16, 2015 9:00:47 GMT -5
The swing was big, but it wasn't all that fast. My contention is still that he was looking to chop the stick, caught hand. If Pronger had gotten called every time he did that he wouldn't have finished a game. It's still a 2 minute penalty imo.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2015 9:04:16 GMT -5
PK has to be smarter than that. Every time I think he's finally getting it he does something dumb. The two hander was dumb. Stone is definitely hurt. You don't go in and out of the lineup in the playoffs if you're feeling fine. Petry was a beast, really stepped up. I had to double check Flynn's first name as he's been a rather forgettable player s far, well done! If Stone was hurt as much as his display on the ice suggests, it doesn't help his cause when he's out at the end of the game throwing punches. TSN still has videos up asking the question if Subban should be suspended, even though it's been known for nearly 12 hours now that Subban won't receive further discipline.
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Post by habernac on Apr 16, 2015 9:11:39 GMT -5
PK has to be smarter than that. Every time I think he's finally getting it he does something dumb. The two hander was dumb. Stone is definitely hurt. You don't go in and out of the lineup in the playoffs if you're feeling fine. Petry was a beast, really stepped up. I had to double check Flynn's first name as he's been a rather forgettable player s far, well done! If Stone was hurt as much as his display on the ice suggests, it doesn't help his cause when he's out at the end of the game throwing punches. I hear you. Ottawa is doing us a ton of favours from having Stone on the ice late in the game and Dave Cameron running his mouth. But PK has to be smarter. He keeps costing his team with stupid, undisciplined penalties.
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Post by seventeen on Apr 16, 2015 9:14:56 GMT -5
I thought Mitchell and Flynn had excellent games. DSP not so much. Not noticeable at all. Parenteau was ok, but the rest of that line didn't accomplish much. I thought DSP was the only noticeable guy on that line. He had a bunch of hits and Almost iced the game I rest my case. I missed the first half, but he still exhibited almost no hockey sense to me. He seemed faster than he's showed, but I also didn't see any solid hits either. Maybe they happened early on.
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Post by CentreHice on Apr 16, 2015 9:16:38 GMT -5
Just heard: No suspension for PK.
So, I presume a fine for Cameron is upcoming.
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Post by HabSolute on Apr 16, 2015 9:17:23 GMT -5
NHL confirms: PK officially NOT suspended (as per TSN690)
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Post by seventeen on Apr 16, 2015 9:21:47 GMT -5
If any of Montreal's best players are taken out of the series by deliberate attempts to injure after Cameron puts a bounty on their heads, then I'd look at criminal liability ... he might have been jacked with adrenaline after the game, but he's got to get a grip on his blurting when he's in front of the camera ... heard the comment and thought "Bertuzzi". It's an indication that Cameron is not thinking cooly as well. That sort of thing spreads to the team, so I was quite pleased to hear him say something like that. We've gotten under his skin. What a reversal, compared to the Walrus/Therrien case.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2015 9:23:48 GMT -5
If Stone was hurt as much as his display on the ice suggests, it doesn't help his cause when he's out at the end of the game throwing punches. I hear you. Ottawa is doing us a ton of favours from having Stone on the ice late in the game and Dave Cameron running his mouth. But PK has to be smarter. He keeps costing his team with stupid, undisciplined penalties. I don't think anyone here disagrees that there should have been a penalty. It was a bad one to take when already down a man.
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Post by seventeen on Apr 16, 2015 9:23:49 GMT -5
I would love to have been a fly on the wall after the game when Therrien talked to Subban. I hope he read him the riot act. Probably not. He may have said to take the situation into account (on the PK), but dmen do that all the time. It just happened to hit Stone in a sensitive area.
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Post by Douper on Apr 16, 2015 9:24:34 GMT -5
Well thanks to the Ottawa coach, the Sens will be under the ref microscope in Game 2. We'll just need to capatilize on our PP's when they come.
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Post by seventeen on Apr 16, 2015 9:25:12 GMT -5
The swing was big, but it wasn't all that fast. My contention is still that he was looking to chop the stick, caught hand. If Pronger had gotten called every time he did that he wouldn't have finished a game. It's still a 2 minute penalty imo. Exactly what I thought. And if Stone isn't at 100% as a result....well, that's just a hockey play.
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Post by blny on Apr 16, 2015 9:26:31 GMT -5
There's a definite experience factor that we should be able to take advantage of. Top to bottom, and behind the bench. Our guys were willing to engage, initiate, and retaliate to any of the nasty stuff last night. Eller's 'butt end' was merely the one that connected, as Zibanejad played his part in that jousting match.
Max scored 4 of our 9 goals against the Sens in the regular season. Getting him back, once healthy, can only help. Anything to get PAP out. In fact, I wouldn't mind a Pacioretty-DD-DSP line for a spell. DSP creating havoc and space. Max and Davey doing their thing. Could work.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2015 9:30:10 GMT -5
The swing was big, but it wasn't all that fast. My contention is still that he was looking to chop the stick, caught hand. If Pronger had gotten called every time he did that he wouldn't have finished a game. It's still a 2 minute penalty imo. Exactly what I thought. And if Stone isn't at 100% as a result....well, that's just a hockey play. PK meant to take the stick, but got the hand. Should we pull a Ference and call it an equipment error?
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Post by seventeen on Apr 16, 2015 9:30:18 GMT -5
* Does Pacioretty play next game? I thought that they should keep him out until they lose, and they haven't lost yet, so... Of course that's just me, and if he's 100% he plays. I just thought that if he was only say 70% then maybe a few more days would be beneficial in the long run. But it's a gamble. You don't want to take your foot off your opponents throat... ever. So if he plays, who comes out? The easy answer would be Desharnais, but he's a center and taking out a center jumbles the rest of your lineup. So for me it's between Parenteau and De la Rose. I thought De La Rose had an iffy game, and while that could just be first-playoff-game-ever nerves, I've also thought he's been slowing down for a few games now. But it's not like Parenteau was lights out either. Either way I think it could work; Weise - Eller - Pacioretty, or D-Train - Desharnais - Pacioretty. To me, the obvious choice will never happen, and that's DD. He's the guy least suited for this series and proved it yesterday. Until and unless he raises his compete level, (if he's able to), he won't be productive. DD out, move DLR to centre on the 3rd line, move Eller up to the second line. We're immediately more competitive. Won't happen.
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