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Post by CentreHice on Apr 24, 2015 20:53:14 GMT -5
Beyond words frustrated....
But I'm sure I'll find some in the next while.....
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Post by Disp on Apr 24, 2015 21:02:12 GMT -5
Anderson was better and luckier than Price. That's pretty much it. 46-25 shots. We had more than equal chances and opportunities. Got to start burying our chances.
Up 3-2 and I can't say that Price has stolen one.
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Post by habsorbed on Apr 24, 2015 21:10:07 GMT -5
Our so called stars were horrible: PK, Markov, Max, AND CAREY!!! Chucky has played like an AHLer - very disappointing.
That was not a 5-1 game. We actually played pretty well but their goalie was much better than ours. And as usual our PP which is all on the coach(es) continues to be awful. Pathetic!
Only silver lining in this is that if we lose four straight MT might get fired. That would be a big benefit as we will never win a cup with him behind the bench.
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Post by CentreHice on Apr 24, 2015 21:12:13 GMT -5
Rangers just ousted the Pens in OT.
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Post by franko on Apr 24, 2015 21:15:19 GMT -5
well, I did pick the Habs in 6
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Post by HFTO on Apr 24, 2015 21:16:55 GMT -5
Don't call me shocked
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Post by Doc Holliday on Apr 24, 2015 21:18:33 GMT -5
Our so called stars were horrible: PK, Markov, Max, AND CAREY!!! Chucky has played like an AHLer - very disappointing. yup
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Post by blny on Apr 24, 2015 21:18:45 GMT -5
Can't stop what you can't see. Up to the d to clear the front.
Anyone else think the 'vacation' after game three was a bad idea? Should have been working.
I left after the second goal because I knew what the rest of the night was going to be like. Every piece of junk they threw at the net was going to find a hole.
I don't know if MT benched anyone, but I'd be busting up all the lines. Put one of the workers on each line.
Pacioretty-DD-Weise Prust-Plekanec-Gallagher
etc
Mitchell's line gets first unit PP time.
Love to be a fly on the wall. Therrien would have been kicking stuff and yelling. Whether or not anyone listened, who knows.
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Post by HFTO on Apr 24, 2015 21:19:09 GMT -5
Don't call me shocked
Top 6 is not good enough until 27 matures to the player he needs to be and they replace DD despite his effort. Not going to happen.
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Post by Disp on Apr 24, 2015 21:20:46 GMT -5
I thought this was Galch's best game.
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Post by CentreHice on Apr 24, 2015 21:21:13 GMT -5
Anyone else think the 'vacation' after game three was a bad idea? Should have been working. Definitely. I've been saying so for two days.
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Post by jkr on Apr 24, 2015 21:22:02 GMT -5
Can't stop what you can't see. Up to the d to clear the front. Anyone else think the 'vacation' after game three was a bad idea? Should have been working. I left after the second goal because I knew what the rest of the night was going to be like. Every piece of junk they threw at the net was going to find a hole. I don't know if MT benched anyone, but I'd be busting up all the lines. Put one of the workers on each line. Pacioretty-DD-Weise Prust-Plekanec-Gallagher etc Mitchell's line gets first unit PP time. Love to be a fly on the wall. Therrien would have been kicking stuff and yelling. Whether or not anyone listened, who knows. what does a vacation in the middle of a series say to the opposition. You haven't won anything & you're taking a holiday? It's not like they were dominating anything. Tons of stuff to work on - like maybe the PP. Whoever thought of this idea needs to be cuffed in the back of the head. Stupid.
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Post by jkr on Apr 24, 2015 21:27:40 GMT -5
Our so called stars were horrible: PK, Markov, Max, AND CAREY!!! Chucky has played like an AHLer - very disappointing. yup Subban - 2 points before the ejection ; one point since.
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Post by HFTO on Apr 24, 2015 21:33:28 GMT -5
I said the same thing worst idea ....joked with a buddy they were capable of losing 4 after taking that vacation.....Ottawa. Believes now and they should who do we have that scares them?
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Post by Disp on Apr 24, 2015 21:33:53 GMT -5
If it works it's genius, if it doesn't, idiot. Ottawa has done and said enough dumb things that should have made them lose by now. If they come back and win it'll be genius . Players play and sh!t happens. Lots of times it's pretty random. We like to give reasons for after the fact.
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Post by franko on Apr 24, 2015 21:44:47 GMT -5
Love to be a fly on the wall. Therrien would have been kicking stuff and yelling. Whether or not anyone listened, who knows. and next game it will be the same ineffective lines and the same ineffective power play. maybe he should look in the mirror.
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Post by CentreHice on Apr 24, 2015 21:49:28 GMT -5
If it works it's genius, if it doesn't, idiot. Ottawa has done and said enough dumb things that should have made them lose by now. If they come back and win it'll be genius . Players play and sh!t happens. Lots of times it's pretty random. We like to give reasons for after the fact. That's a valid point. Yes, there are bounces...and crap happens. And many fans do have confirmation bias. They don't like MT, so he gets no credit after a win, but all the blame after a loss. But taking a spa day and holding an optional practice when your PP sucks bowling balls off the floor is not very wise, IMO... Of course, the Tremblant excursion could've been a Bergevin/Molson decision and planned before the series began. Just seems weird to pseudo-celebrate when the series hasn't yet been won. You're right, though, Disp. Had the Habs won Game 4, going to Tremblant would've been the best idea. Damned if you do....
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Post by CentreHice on Apr 24, 2015 21:58:50 GMT -5
Habs have 123 shots on Anderson in the last 3 games....he's made 120 saves. Credit to him.
Reminding TSN690 of Ward coming in for Irbe....at least against us.
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Post by 24andcounting on Apr 24, 2015 22:00:16 GMT -5
I'm in full panic mode now. CH (and others) were right. This could easily go down in the history books of one of those rare come from down 3-0 comeback series. God, I hate the Sens.
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Post by seventeen on Apr 24, 2015 22:09:31 GMT -5
As I said before it could just as easily have been us down 3-1 as up 3-1. Ottawa gifted us two wins because they focused on the same thing the Bruins do, beating us up. It detracts from the game they should play. In game 4, they changed their tactics to a simple forecheck and interfering on us as much as possible. The refs are going to let them get away with the interference because it's the playoffs, so what we have to focus on is good zone clearances. If we are able to move the puck out quickly and smoothly, they can't get their forecheck game going. It also improves our skating game and we attack them at much higher speed and with less back pressure than they've had the last two games. I think Nathan's absence has hurt us a lot. First he's good at moving the puck and can get it out well. Secondly, he allows Gilbert to play the right side rather than the left, so in fact Beaulieu's injury has hurt us twice. Nonetheless, the secret to beating Ottawa is getting out of our zone efficiently.
Carey had a bad game. But that's not unusual when he doesn't get a lot of shots. I'd be tempted to really amp the dmen joining the play on offense and letting Carey hold the fort. They'll get odd man rushes, but that's why you pay Carey the big bucks and the dmen joining the rush should throw the Sens into some confusions. Just trying out some ideas, otherwise, we might as well warm up the golf clubs for a mid week tee-off.
Ps. the coaches should look at some set plays for the forwards on the PP. Markov and PK should be decoys for the most part and the three low guys need to have some plays they can us. Maybe the high guy goes toward the low d and the puck carrier on the wing then cuts into the spot vacated by the high guy. If they play it right, the high guy can stay in the way of the dman and keep him from getting to the winger, breaking down the box. Treat it like a 2 on 3 rather than 5 on 4. If they want to key on the points, let them. But I think you need some size and strength down low to do that. Box them out like you do on a basketball rebound.
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Post by Disp on Apr 24, 2015 22:10:54 GMT -5
If it works it's genius, if it doesn't, idiot. Ottawa has done and said enough dumb things that should have made them lose by now. If they come back and win it'll be genius . Players play and sh!t happens. Lots of times it's pretty random. We like to give reasons for after the fact. That's a valid point. Yes, there are bounces...and crap happens. And many fans do have confirmation bias. They don't like MT, so he gets no credit after a win, but all the blame after a loss. But taking a spa day and holding an optional practice when your PP sucks bowling balls off the floor is not very wise, IMO... If they win Sunday it'll be the right move though. It's only the wrong move cause we can't score on Anderson and Price has been leaky. I'm sure the coaches have explored every possible power play option there is. If the players, can't or won't do it, what can you do? The pp is on the players.
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Post by seventeen on Apr 24, 2015 22:17:14 GMT -5
I'm sure the coaches have explored every possible power play option there is. If the players, can't or won't do it, what can you do? The pp is on the players. What is it then, that coaches get paid for? I've heard it said that coaches can't win games, they can only lose them. Are coaches merely babysitters? If so, it wouldn't matter who was behind the bench, right? And if I was the owner, I certainly wouldn't pay them $2MM a year to babysit.
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Post by CentreHice on Apr 24, 2015 22:23:04 GMT -5
I heard an audio clip on the radio today in which Therrien said they bring Gonchar in to talk about the PP.....offer suggestions.
They are trying to figure it out.
But PP personnel is still the coach's decision.
Desharnais should not be getting more ice time than Lars Eller any more in this series.
Eller should be gone from the third line. We need goals.
It's up to the coach to see that.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2015 22:42:11 GMT -5
Not sure what Mt. Tremblant has to do with today's game, but I digress and won't bother trying to dissect a vacation that happened days ago and how it effected them...
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Post by CentreHice on Apr 24, 2015 22:51:59 GMT -5
The point is that it perhaps was the wrong message to send up 3-0. Both to the Habs' players and to the Sens.
Pre-celebratory. Complacency?
May have had an effect on Game 4, certainly....which got the ball rolling.
If we lose this series....it'll be referred to quite often.
Win and it's forgotten....
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2015 23:31:28 GMT -5
Things are coming unraveled, and it appears that there's no answer. We need goals. What do we get? Scored on. A lot.
I wouldn't expect this version of the Habs to be so fragile. Rally and win a game.
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Post by Skilly on Apr 25, 2015 0:00:19 GMT -5
Habs have 123 shots on Anderson in the last 3 games....he's made 120 saves. Credit to him. Reminding TSN690 of Ward coming in for Irbe....at least against us. Price has terrible numbers against Ottawa. Even in most his wins, his save percentage is below 0.900. If we are waiting for him to steal one, it ain't going to happen
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Post by Skilly on Apr 25, 2015 0:02:09 GMT -5
I thought our PP was suppose to be good at home ..... Colour me unsurprised
1 for 10 at home 0 for 9 on the road
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Post by Skilly on Apr 25, 2015 0:08:56 GMT -5
More concerning to me than our 5.3% PP (thank you NYI for your 0%), is our 68.8% PK ... Second worse. We were pretty good at that in the regular season.
So.... Can't score, no PP, can't stop the oppositions PP, and Carey is average ...
Still think this Habs team can't lose 4 in a row?? That could end up being Carey's legacy unfortunately .... Can't win to close out.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2015 0:19:35 GMT -5
Watched post-game comments. The players and coach seemed dejected and lost. They don't know what to do.
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