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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on May 27, 2015 15:06:01 GMT -5
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Post by blny on May 27, 2015 15:11:28 GMT -5
This would be a promotion I think?
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Post by jkr on May 27, 2015 18:39:24 GMT -5
who did he replace?
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Post by blny on May 27, 2015 19:00:06 GMT -5
Don't think there was officially one.
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Post by NWTHabsFan on May 27, 2015 20:15:45 GMT -5
This would be a promotion I think? Yes, he was just a pro scout before, and an amateur scout before that. They did not have a director.
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Post by habsorbed on May 28, 2015 0:53:58 GMT -5
So as a professional scout for the Habs the past 5 years, does that mean he played a roll in getting Briere, Parenteau, and DSP?
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Post by seventeen on May 28, 2015 1:00:34 GMT -5
He probably played a role in judging Gilbert's and Petry's worth as well.
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Post by habsorbed on May 28, 2015 1:18:28 GMT -5
He probably played a role in judging Gilbert's and Petry's worth as well. Don't see Gilbert as anything to brag about. And Petry is only a good pickup if we can resign him. In any event, I want my head scout to have a better than 50/50 success rate.
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Post by blny on May 28, 2015 5:36:09 GMT -5
He probably played a role in judging Gilbert's and Petry's worth as well. Don't see Gilbert as anything to brag about. And Petry is only a good pickup if we can resign him. In any event, I want my head scout to have a better than 50/50 success rate. I don't think you can judge the success of a pro scout based on whether or not a player re-signs. It's not his job to sign the player.
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Post by jkr on May 28, 2015 6:16:01 GMT -5
Don't see Gilbert as anything to brag about. And Petry is only a good pickup if we can resign him. In any event, I want my head scout to have a better than 50/50 success rate. I don't think you can judge the success of a pro scout based on whether or not a player re-signs. It's not his job to sign the player. Exactly. It's pretty much a concensus here that Petry was very good. If Karpan had a hand in that he desreves credit.
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Post by habsorbed on May 28, 2015 10:32:04 GMT -5
So all the scout has to do is identify good ufa s and tell his gm and when his gm gives up too much to get the rental the scout gets credit for doing a good job? Where do I send my application?
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Post by blny on May 28, 2015 10:44:01 GMT -5
So all the scout has to do is identify good ufa s and tell his gm and when his gm gives up too much to get the rental the scout gets credit for doing a good job? Where do I send my application? I think it's a big assumption to say they sit there and equate value in picks. As they're 'pro scouts', I wouldn't think it's their job to amass data on undrafted players. Therefore they'd have little, to no, knowledge of the draft. Berg takes evaluations of pro players from his pro scouts, and weighs it against a number of factors. Some of those factors would be information he'd gather from his amateur scouting department (read the second round pick and conditional 5th, both in this years draft). Given where they finished the season, Berg felt that giving up what turned out to be a 52nd overall pick for Petry was worth it. I'm not aware of the conditions on the fifth at the moment, but I have no problem at all with that assessment. A trade like that would require the GM to get information from multiple departments. Once gathered, it's his decision to make. His alone.
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Post by NWTHabsFan on May 28, 2015 12:18:09 GMT -5
Given where they finished the season, Berg felt that giving up what turned out to be a 52nd overall pick for Petry was worth it. I'm not aware of the conditions on the fifth at the moment, but I have no problem at all with that assessment. A trade like that would require the GM to get information from multiple departments. Once gathered, it's his decision to make. His alone. The second would have been 57th in this year's second round (there is an extra pick added earlier in the second this year), and the condition on the fifth was that it converts to a fourth this summer if the Habs won one round of playoffs, which they did. So the cost was the 57th and 117th pick. Not bad for a 27 year old top four rental, pretty darn good if you can get him to re-sign.
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Post by blny on May 28, 2015 12:40:26 GMT -5
Given where they finished the season, Berg felt that giving up what turned out to be a 52nd overall pick for Petry was worth it. I'm not aware of the conditions on the fifth at the moment, but I have no problem at all with that assessment. A trade like that would require the GM to get information from multiple departments. Once gathered, it's his decision to make. His alone. The second would have been 57th in this year's second round (there is an extra pick added earlier in the second this year), and the condition on the fifth was that it converts to a fourth this summer if the Habs won one round of playoffs, which they did. So the cost was the 57th and 117th pick. Not bad for a 27 year old top four rental, pretty darn good if you can get him to re-sign. Thanks for the clarification. A steal imo. He fit in seamlessly, and he made Emelin better.
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Post by Lord Bebop on May 30, 2015 14:41:49 GMT -5
Not exactly clear but Rick Dudley was the pro scout till his promotion last season..so I'm assuming Karpan was the pro scout in training this season( ) Been pretty satisfied since Bergeron became the GM with the pro scouting so I guess it's a good promotion IMO
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