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Post by jkr on Jul 3, 2015 7:57:15 GMT -5
Kessel is an easy target & in most cases deserves the criticism. But Simmons et. al. let a lot of others off the hook. The Leafs would be better served to get someone like Lupul off the roster. They guy is 31 with a 5.25 cap hit until 2018. He's hurt a lot & does little to justify that paycheque. The only way they get rid of Loop is to eat salary - likely upwards of half. Problem is that the Leafs are presently BELOW the cap floor by over $1 million. That will come up when they sign RFA Kadri. Right now, their 12 fowards look like this: Lupul, JVR, Bozak, Komarov, Winnik, Spaling, PAP, Arcobello, Panik, Bailey, Holland, and the unsigned Kadri. Ouch. I believe Bernier is RFA also.
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Post by blny on Jul 3, 2015 8:25:19 GMT -5
The only way they get rid of Loop is to eat salary - likely upwards of half. Problem is that the Leafs are presently BELOW the cap floor by over $1 million. That will come up when they sign RFA Kadri. Right now, their 12 fowards look like this: Lupul, JVR, Bozak, Komarov, Winnik, Spaling, PAP, Arcobello, Panik, Bailey, Holland, and the unsigned Kadri. Ouch. I believe Bernier is RFA also. That's true. Forgot him. Devils are nearly $6 million under.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2015 9:23:39 GMT -5
If we think we run our own players out of town, Toronto certainly does a number on their own. Kessel had to put up with a lot of crap from the media.
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Post by blny on Jul 3, 2015 9:28:15 GMT -5
If we think we run our own players out of town, Toronto certainly does a number on their own. Kessel had to put up with a lot of crap from the media. He took it on the chins a lot lol.
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Post by Tankdriver on Jul 3, 2015 12:03:17 GMT -5
blny, almost tempted to bet you that their forwards will score more goals than us this season.
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Post by blny on Jul 3, 2015 12:21:13 GMT -5
blny, almost tempted to bet you that their forwards will score more goals than us this season. Despite Phil's shortcomings, much of their offense drives through him. Take Max out of our lineup, replace him with Spaling, and see what we produce. It'll be bad. JVR is a man alone because Lupul can't promise to play the whole season. Lupul's also a shooter and not a creator. Much like PAP, he needs to be set up. I don't see it. Pleks should score more goals than Bozak or Kadri.
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Post by seventeen on Jul 3, 2015 12:49:03 GMT -5
blny, almost tempted to bet you that their forwards will score more goals than us this season. Why almost? I suspect you're right and they will score more.
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Post by seventeen on Jul 3, 2015 12:49:59 GMT -5
blny, almost tempted to bet you that their forwards will score more goals than us this season. Despite Phil's shortcomings, much of their offense drives through him. Take Max out of our lineup, replace him with Spaling, and see what we produce. It'll be bad. JVR is a man alone because Lupul can't promise to play the whole season. Lupul's also a shooter and not a creator. Much like PAP, he needs to be set up. I don't see it. Pleks should score more goals than Bozak or Kadri. Mitch Marner's going to win rookie of the year. I just reviewed their line-up because I had no idea who is on their team now. Yuck. It's a who's who of WHO's NOT.
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Post by blny on Jul 3, 2015 12:53:35 GMT -5
Despite Phil's shortcomings, much of their offense drives through him. Take Max out of our lineup, replace him with Spaling, and see what we produce. It'll be bad. JVR is a man alone because Lupul can't promise to play the whole season. Lupul's also a shooter and not a creator. Much like PAP, he needs to be set up. I don't see it. Pleks should score more goals than Bozak or Kadri. Mitch Marner's going to win rookie of the year. LOL. Interesting remark from Babcock's tenure in Detroit that got mention on TSN during I believe UFA day: "we don't develop players here (Detroit). That's not our job." In other words, they should make it to the NHL ready. I don't think you'll see Marner make it, even if he has an amazing camp. Let the kids mature slowly, and outside of the microscope while the rebuild is on. The players in the uniform during that time almost assuredly won't be when things turn around.
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Post by seventeen on Jul 3, 2015 13:08:35 GMT -5
I was being very facetious as you probably guessed. Marner needs to get more physically ready, unless he's Mr Fantastic in disguise.
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Post by Tankdriver on Jul 3, 2015 13:24:12 GMT -5
You think Nylander will play next year? They also got a guy from Chicago that was one of the top scorers in the "A". He might get a roster spot.
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Post by blny on Jul 3, 2015 13:32:39 GMT -5
I was being very facetious as you probably guessed. Marner needs to get more physically ready, unless he's Mr Fantastic in disguise. Oh I know. I just thought it was an opportune time to mention an interesting philosophical note from Babcock.
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Post by seventeen on Jul 3, 2015 23:30:53 GMT -5
The very fact of having a disciplined, effective system is a developmental advantage. Babcock is spinning us again.
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Post by PTH on Jul 8, 2015 18:58:12 GMT -5
I don't know if Toronto got a decent return, but I do think this is a bad move for Pittsburg.
Their team was already overweight in big contracts, now it's even moreso. They have neither the cap room nor the assets to add depth to this team at this point.
I strongly suspect Toronto took the best available deal and decided to move on quickly, rather than shopping around and getting the best possible deal, though that would've stretched things out. It's possible Kessel's NTC just limited the options too much to get anything very interesting in return, too.
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Post by seventeen on Jul 8, 2015 20:09:37 GMT -5
I don't know if Toronto got a decent return, but I do think this is a bad move for Pittsburg. Their team was already overweight in big contracts, now it's even moreso. They have neither the cap room nor the assets to add depth to this team at this point. They could, however, resolve a fair amount of their cap room problems by moving Malkin, for example, to Montreal, for example.
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Jul 9, 2015 10:49:32 GMT -5
I don't know if Toronto got a decent return, but I do think this is a bad move for Pittsburg. Their team was already overweight in big contracts, now it's even moreso. They have neither the cap room nor the assets to add depth to this team at this point. I strongly suspect Toronto took the best available deal and decided to move on quickly, rather than shopping around and getting the best possible deal, though that would've stretched things out. It's possible Kessel's NTC just limited the options too much to get anything very interesting in return, too. I thought Toronto got hosed, but how do you win a trade when you lose the top player in the deal ... I'd like to know what other offers they had just to compare ... I think you're right about Pittsburgh, though ... they're living for the moment but it's possible they may have cap problems down the road ... I suspect Phil Kessel might just light it up in Pittsburgh, but how many goals will the Penguins give up this year ... Cheers.
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Post by franko on Jul 9, 2015 10:58:50 GMT -5
how many goals will the Penguins give up this year ... that is the main question, Dis . . . look at that d! Letang, Scuderi, Cole . . . and who? Fleury will have to have a Price-like (isn't it great to be the one being compared with?) season. 8 forwards signed (raid the A); needing a back-up goalie; $5.5M available cap space.
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Post by blny on Jul 9, 2015 14:23:01 GMT -5
I don't know if Toronto got a decent return, but I do think this is a bad move for Pittsburg. Their team was already overweight in big contracts, now it's even moreso. They have neither the cap room nor the assets to add depth to this team at this point. They could, however, resolve a fair amount of their cap room problems by moving Malkin, for example, to Montreal, for example. All kidding aside, the Pens will be a bubble team until they part with one of Crosby or Malkin. They're painfully thin on defense. With Kessel, they still only have one viable scoring threat on the wing. Either Malkin or Crosby could net them a scoring winger, a quality defender, and a pick/prospect of considerable promise. Then Sutter can be their second line center.
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Post by blny on Jul 9, 2015 14:23:39 GMT -5
how many goals will the Penguins give up this year ... that is the main question, Dis . . . look at that d! Letang, Scuderi, Cole . . . and who? Fleury will have to have a Price-like (isn't it great to be the one being compared with?) season. 8 forwards signed (raid the A); needing a back-up goalie; $5.5M available cap space. Maatta is the youngest, and I think already the best of their bunch.
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