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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Oct 5, 2015 17:11:58 GMT -5
From SLAM! Sports ... Habs' GM: Kassian showed
'lack of character' in crashTHE CANADIAN PRESS
Oct 5, 2015, Last Updated: 2:58 PM ETForward Zack Kassian showed a “lack of character” when he was involved in an early morning motor vehicle accident that left him with two broken bones, Montreal Canadiens general manager Marc Bergevin said Monday. Kassian broke his nose and left foot in the crash that occurred around 6:30 a.m. ET Sunday in Montreal. Two women with him in the vehicle also suffered non-life threatening injuries. It was unclear how long Kassian will be out of the lineup, but he will miss the team’s regular season opener on Wednesday night in Toronto. “I don’t have all the information, but it’s disappointing to say the least,” said Bergevin. “I addressed the whole team this morning. “We are professional and we have to behave like professionals. You have to be respectful and you’re lucky to be a hockey player. I’m a firm believer in character and that’s really a lack of character and judgement on his part.” More ... |
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Post by CentreHice on Oct 5, 2015 17:26:22 GMT -5
I like Berg's stance. If he offers him a second chance, there likely won't be a third. Shape up or ship out….and if it's "ship out", then we lost Prust for nothing.
Kassian is one lucky guy to escape with so few injuries. That should be enough of a wake up call.
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Post by blny on Oct 5, 2015 17:26:13 GMT -5
Gives someone else a chance.
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Post by blny on Oct 5, 2015 17:27:45 GMT -5
I like Berg's stance. If he offers him a second chance, there likely won't be a third. Shape up or ship out….and if it's "ship out", then we lost Prust for nothing. Kassian is one lucky guy to escape with so few injuries. That should be enough of a wake up call. I don't mind losing Prust really. I fully expect him to miss a lot of games this year. The West is bigger. He's had enough trouble staying healthy in Montreal. If he really amps up his style of play to impress in Vancouver, I see him getting hurt early and often. |
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Post by CentreHice on Oct 5, 2015 17:31:26 GMT -5
But you still don't like to lose a player for nothing in return.
I would think Kassian would be out for a while, considering it's a broken foot.
The article suggest that DLR gets a shot. But he hardly replaces the ruggedness Kassian was supposed to bring.
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Post by HFTO on Oct 5, 2015 17:54:55 GMT -5
Unbelievable ....regardless of the circumstances if this guy is dumb enough to be out at 6 am how much hope can you have for him long term?
HFTO
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Post by blny on Oct 5, 2015 17:57:24 GMT -5
Unbelievable ....regardless of the circumstances if this guy is dumb enough to be out at 6 am how much hope can you have for him long term? HFTO ... with one of the girls barely being of legal age apparently. |
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Post by Skilly on Oct 5, 2015 18:13:07 GMT -5
Another project gone sour
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Post by franko on Oct 5, 2015 18:19:58 GMT -5
Unbelievable ....regardless of the circumstances if this guy is dumb enough to be out at 6 am how much hope can you have for him long term? HFTO ... with one of the girls barely being of legal age apparently. One of the girls barely being of legal age One of the girls barely being of legal agethe second statement trumps the first statement . . . but neither trump bad judgegment |
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Post by blny on Oct 5, 2015 18:24:23 GMT -5
... with one of the girls barely being of legal age apparently. One of the girls barely being of legal age One of the girls barely being of legal agethe second statement trumps the first statement . . . but neither trump bad judgegment Proof that just because it's "legal" doesn't mean it's cool. Guys like that likely cite this guy as their hero. While funny in the context of a film, it's cringe worthy in real life for a myriad of reasons. |
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Post by seventeen on Oct 5, 2015 18:39:25 GMT -5
The article suggest that DLR gets a shot. But he hardly replaces the ruggedness Kassian was supposed to bring. Kassian isn't a good fighter. I think he's one of those guys who's much better off simply being considered a skill player. If he didn't have to bang because he's 6'4" or fight because he's 6'4", I think he'd play better. I expect DLR to provide more bodily work (cleanly) and fewer penalties than Kassian. It's just sad. |
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Oct 5, 2015 18:54:06 GMT -5
... with one of the girls barely being of legal age apparently. One of the girls barely being of legal age One of the girls barely being of legal agethe second statement trumps the first statement . . . but neither trump bad judgegment The worst drug of all ... The N-H-L ... Cheers. |
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Post by PTH on Oct 5, 2015 18:55:50 GMT -5
Kassian is now going into rehab. espn.go.com/nhl/story/_/id/13818440/zack-kassian-montreal-canadiens-enters-substance-abuse-rehab-program" BROSSARD, Quebec -- Montreal Canadiens forward Zack Kassian has entered a substance abuse program after being involved in a motor vehicle accident. Kassian, 24, was placed in "Stage Two of the Substance Abuse and Behavioral Health Program," according to Monday's statement from the NHL and NHL Players Association. He is suspended without pay until he is cleared for on-ice competition by the program administrators." |
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Oct 5, 2015 18:57:36 GMT -5
Kassian is now going into rehab. espn.go.com/nhl/story/_/id/13818440/zack-kassian-montreal-canadiens-enters-substance-abuse-rehab-program" BROSSARD, Quebec -- Montreal Canadiens forward Zack Kassian has entered a substance abuse program after being involved in a motor vehicle accident. Kassian, 24, was placed in "Stage Two of the Substance Abuse and Behavioral Health Program," according to Monday's statement from the NHL and NHL Players Association. He is suspended without pay until he is cleared for on-ice competition by the program administrators." Wish Zack all the best in his therapy ... would like to see him back in the lineup some day ... Cheers. |
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Post by PTH on Oct 5, 2015 19:44:53 GMT -5
Well, I think we know why the coaching staff wasn't giving him any breaks (like a chance on the 3d line, etc.)
They might not have known all of the details, but I'm sure his lack of focus was abundantly clear on the ice.
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Post by CentreHice on Oct 5, 2015 19:52:20 GMT -5
Well, I think we know why the coaching staff wasn't giving him any breaks (like a chance on the 3d line, etc.) They might not have known all of the details, but I'm sure his lack of focus was abundantly clear on the ice. Good point. Would send the wrong message to the rest of the guys if he got favoured while being "out of focus". |
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Post by jkr on Oct 5, 2015 20:02:27 GMT -5
Acording to McKenzie, Bergevin knew he was in stage one when he made the trade. Not good judgement IMO. I tried to defend this trade at the time but now it just seems like a bad idea from the get go.
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Post by PTH on Oct 5, 2015 20:06:51 GMT -5
Acording to McKenzie, Bergevin knew he was in stage one when he made the trade. Not good judgement IMO. I tried to defend this trade at the time but now it just seems like a bad idea from the get go. MB must have thought that going through phase 1 was enough of a wake-up call that he might actually change his ways and live up to his potential.... Now we know why we got a pick in the deal, too. |
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Post by blny on Oct 5, 2015 20:21:17 GMT -5
One of the girls barely being of legal age One of the girls barely being of legal agethe second statement trumps the first statement . . . but neither trump bad judgegment The worst drug of all ... The N-H-L ... Cheers. Well played.  |
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Post by habsorbed on Oct 5, 2015 21:01:48 GMT -5
Acording to McKenzie, Bergevin knew he was in stage one when he made the trade. Not good judgement IMO. I tried to defend this trade at the time but now it just seems like a bad idea from the get go. MB must have thought that going through phase 1 was enough of a wake-up call that he might actually change his ways and live up to his potential.... Now we know why we got a pick in the deal, too. I was going to criticize MB for lack of due diligence. But it looks like he went into this with eyes wide open. Talk about taking a flyer. I too was happy with this trade at the time - less so now that I'm aware he was in Stage 1. The hope is that this accident is Zach's 'rock bottom' and he has the will and strength to turn it around. Unfortunately most rock bottoms are usually much worse than this. So don't know if it will be enuf to turn things around nor whether Zach has the character. It takes a lot to beat these addictions. I'll root for him still and hope he gets it together. But as has been said, no more screw ups. Glad it happened now and not later in the season. Let's get on with the current squad and if Zach comes back it will be a bonus. |
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Post by BadCompany on Oct 6, 2015 6:35:52 GMT -5
Well it`s not like this story has ended... there are lots of players that have cleaned themselves up after realizing they had a problem. Ten of them are listed in THIS article, including Grant Fuhr, Ken Daneyko, and Darren McCarty. And of course our very own legend Guy Lafleur got drunk and wrecked his car, nearly dying in the process. articles.latimes.com/1985-03-24/sports/sp-30306_1_guy-lafleur"I went out almost every night with the guys on the team between 1975 and 1981," Lafleur, 33, said. "We were winning in those years. It was fun.
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After a night of downtown dining and drinking with then-teammate Robert Picard, Lafleur fell asleep behind the wheel of his Cadillac on his way home in the early morning of March 25, 1981. The car plunged off the highway and into a metal post that shattered the windshield and sliced part of Lafleur's right ear.Imagine if Twitter had of existed then? Having said that, Kassian has to want to change. He has to want to accept new boundaries that may or may not be different from his teammates. That's up to him. |
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Oct 6, 2015 7:51:21 GMT -5
Well it`s not like this story has ended... there are lots of players that have cleaned themselves up after realizing they had a problem. Ten of them are listed in THIS article, including Grant Fuhr, Ken Daneyko, and Darren McCarty. And of course our very own legend Guy Lafleur got drunk and wrecked his car, nearly dying in the process. articles.latimes.com/1985-03-24/sports/sp-30306_1_guy-lafleur"I went out almost every night with the guys on the team between 1975 and 1981," Lafleur, 33, said. "We were winning in those years. It was fun.
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After a night of downtown dining and drinking with then-teammate Robert Picard, Lafleur fell asleep behind the wheel of his Cadillac on his way home in the early morning of March 25, 1981. The car plunged off the highway and into a metal post that shattered the windshield and sliced part of Lafleur's right ear.Imagine if Twitter had of existed then? Having said that, Kassian has to want to change. He has to want to accept new boundaries that may or may not be different from his teammates. That's up to him. Terrific link, BC ... great article ... Cheers, man |
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Post by Polarice on Oct 6, 2015 8:42:57 GMT -5
If anyone here thinks that the "Single" NHL players are saints you're off your rocker. Some of the private stories I've heard would make most of us look like choir boys. It's when stuff happens like a car accident that we hear about it. I willing to bet that Kassian wasn't the only hockey player out that night. The only thing that bothers me is that some of these players insist on driving or driving with people who been drinking when they could afford a cab or Limo.
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Post by CentreHice on Oct 6, 2015 9:02:06 GMT -5
If anyone here thinks that the "Single" NHL players are saints you're off your rocker. Some of the private stories I've heard would make most of us look like choir boys. It's when stuff happens like a car accident that we hear about it. I willing to bet that Kassian wasn't the only hockey player out that night. The only thing that bothers me is that some of these players insist on driving or driving with people who been drinking when they could afford a cab or Limo. True, and I doubt its peculiar to single guys. But with some, it's out of control...and it's affecting/will affect their careers and personal health….as in this case. Cab/Limo….no question. That's a bottom-line judgment call. |
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Post by Cranky on Oct 6, 2015 13:01:01 GMT -5
Acording to McKenzie, Bergevin knew he was in stage one when he made the trade. Not good judgement IMO. I tried to defend this trade at the time but now it just seems like a bad idea from the get go. The bad judgement is on Bergevin. There is ZERO "potential" if the guy is an addict. He'll be fighting his abuse more then for the spot on the roster. Let's see if I'm wrong. |
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Post by Skilly on Oct 6, 2015 16:49:41 GMT -5
If anyone here thinks that the "Single" NHL players are saints you're off your rocker. Some of the private stories I've heard would make most of us look like choir boys. It's when stuff happens like a car accident that we hear about it. I willing to bet that Kassian wasn't the only hockey player out that night. The only thing that bothers me is that some of these players insist on driving or driving with people who been drinking when they could afford a cab or Limo. Are we sure it was just drinking and driving ... And not drinking, cocaine-ing, and driving. Given the recent admission by the NHL, immediately after this incident and all ... |
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Post by folatre on Oct 6, 2015 18:45:29 GMT -5
Kassian was acquired with problems. Kassian has problems still. I hope he changes his life. If he does then maybe the issue of where his career is going newly becomes relevant.
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Post by seventeen on Oct 7, 2015 0:36:24 GMT -5
Here's a big if....If Kassian can overcome this issue and find a focus in hockey, this could turn out really well for the Habs. The guy has a lot of talent, it just hasn't been used. That would be worth waiting for.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2015 8:23:08 GMT -5
I like the LaFleur story, now imagine if it was today and he wasn't a superstar and Québécois, he'd be vilified just like Mr Kassian is.
We all know someone who is an addict, many are functional, some aren't as much. This is for sure, I'm not one to judge someone's personal life, as it isn't any of my business. As long as he performs on the ice let's face it we don't care how much blow he's doing off it.
As a human being though I understand that addiction and bad judgement is much more likely when young and rich, this may be the life wake up call that is needed.
As far as losing Prust goes, he was a good friend and a game fighter, but neither are important when it comes to putting the puck in or keeping it out of the net. I'd hazard a guess that Byron is better on the pk, and who cares about fighting anymore...
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Oct 7, 2015 12:16:48 GMT -5
I like the LaFleur story, now imagine if it was today and he wasn't a superstar and Québécois, he'd be vilified just like Mr Kassian is. I think Guy Lafleur would be charged and the media would milk it for everything they can ... you don't even have to be intoxicated to be vilified by the media ... just as Rejean Houle and Mario Tremblay ... brutal ... This was an agrument when Sammy Sosa and Mark McGuire were hitting the ball out of the park several times a game ... do owners tend to look the other way when their bank accounts start to swell ... some do, I guess ... couldn't tell you the percentages ... Cheers. |
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