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Post by duster on Oct 7, 2015 12:54:31 GMT -5
From a hockey perspective, he essentially was competing for a spot on the fourth line and was considered a "gamble" from the get-go precisely because he had character issues. Like a lot of other people, I was pretty sure he was going to end up in the MT doghouse at some point anyway. The team may have dodged a bullet. Meanwhile, I think Byron will be more effective on the pk. Onwards!
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Post by jkr on Oct 7, 2015 17:47:38 GMT -5
Two seasons ago he had 14 goals & last year had 10 goals in 42 games. This is why the deal was made I and why I defended it at the time but I don't know if we will ever see that type of production in Montreal.
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Post by HABsurd on Oct 7, 2015 18:08:36 GMT -5
To note that it didn't take Kassian long to acquaint himself with the local mafia. The truck in question being owned by a mafia associated dealership.
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Post by jkr on Oct 7, 2015 21:17:47 GMT -5
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Post by PTH on Oct 8, 2015 0:05:31 GMT -5
That's from Elliott Friedman's 30 thoughts to start the season...
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Post by UberCranky on Oct 8, 2015 15:23:01 GMT -5
To note that it didn't take Kassian long to acquaint himself with the local mafia. The truck in question being owned by a mafia associated dealership. Cocaine and Mafia? Just what we need in the locker room for the young ones. What exactly was Bergevin thinking about? Or was it his ego telling him that he can mind control addicts?
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Post by habsorbed on Oct 8, 2015 23:52:52 GMT -5
i remember all the controversy with the Kostisyn brothers a few years back. That seemed to be more rumour than anything but with all of Zach's smoke i'm pretty sure there is a bonfire there and the Habs would do well to cut bait.
If I'm Zach and have my entire career/future at risk, I'm hiring a therapist/babysitter for $200,000 a year who will monitor me 24/7 to keep me on the straight and narrow. That would be a good investment to reach my full potential which may result in a contract for millions of dollars as opposed to a motel room with some other hype.
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Post by Skilly on Oct 9, 2015 5:29:32 GMT -5
i remember all the controversy with the Kostisyn brothers a few years back. That seemed to be more rumour than anything but with all of Zach's smoke i'm pretty sure there is a bonfire there and the Habs would do well to cut bait. If I'm Zach and have my entire career/future at risk, I'm hiring a therapist/babysitter for $200,000 a year who will monitor me 24/7 to keep me on the straight and narrow. That would be a good investment to reach my full potential which may result in a contract for millions of dollars as opposed to a motel room with some other hype. Sounds like he needs Ray Donovan
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Post by jkr on Oct 9, 2015 6:43:01 GMT -5
i remember all the controversy with the Kostisyn brothers a few years back. That seemed to be more rumour than anything but with all of Zach's smoke i'm pretty sure there is a bonfire there and the Habs would do well to cut bait. If I'm Zach and have my entire career/future at risk, I'm hiring a therapist/babysitter for $200,000 a year who will monitor me 24/7 to keep me on the straight and narrow. That would be a good investment to reach my full potential which may result in a contract for millions of dollars as opposed to a motel room with some other hype. 200K / year is a lot when his salary has been cut off.
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Post by PTH on Oct 9, 2015 8:00:32 GMT -5
i remember all the controversy with the Kostisyn brothers a few years back. That seemed to be more rumour than anything but with all of Zach's smoke i'm pretty sure there is a bonfire there and the Habs would do well to cut bait. If I'm Zach and have my entire career/future at risk, I'm hiring a therapist/babysitter for $200,000 a year who will monitor me 24/7 to keep me on the straight and narrow. That would be a good investment to reach my full potential which may result in a contract for millions of dollars as opposed to a motel room with some other hype. 200K / year is a lot when his salary has been cut off. Babysitter ? More than a few players have had issues with babysitters ! Ribeiro and Gilmour come to mind...
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Post by habsorbed on Oct 9, 2015 10:32:16 GMT -5
200K / year is a lot when his salary has been cut off. Babysitter ? More than a few players have had issues with babysitters ! Ribeiro and Gilmour come to mind... I think we and MB would be quite happy if Zach had the careers Ribiero and Gilmour enjoyed - but we could all do without Ribs spastic break dancing routine.
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Post by BadCompany on Feb 6, 2019 17:02:26 GMT -5
Dug deep into the archives to revive this thread. Alison de Courcy-Ireland's trial started this week. To sum up, she was the 20 year old driver (?) of the truck that crashed with Zack Kassian allegedly passed out in the back seat. I say allegedly, because another witness to the crash, 18 year old Gemma Brown, who was also in the truck, claims Kassian was driving (ages are at the time of the accident). www.tvanouvelles.ca/2019/02/05/temoignages-sur-une-periode-peu-glorieuse-du-chI won't translate the whole thing, but here are some of the highlights from Kassian's own video testimony: * Drinking for 9 hours before inviting people to join him. * Got the girls' number from a Canadiens teammate. He "can't remember" which teammate it was. * Admitted that he was very drunk, and that he had done drugs (cocaine). * Insists he wasn't driving.
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Post by blny on Feb 6, 2019 17:04:40 GMT -5
Dug deep into the archives to revive this thread. Alison de Courcy-Ireland's trial started this week. To sum up, she was the 20 year old driver (?) of the truck that crashed with Zack Kassian allegedly passed out in the back seat. I say allegedly, because another witness to the crash, 18 year old Gemma Brown, who was also in the truck, claims Kassian was driving (ages are at the time of the accident). www.tvanouvelles.ca/2019/02/05/temoignages-sur-une-periode-peu-glorieuse-du-chI won't translate the whole thing, but here are some of the highlights from Kassian's own video testimony: * Drinking for 9 hours before inviting people to join him. * Got the girls' number from a Canadiens teammate. He "can't remember" which teammate it was. * Admitted that he was very drunk, and that he had done drugs (cocaine). * Insists he wasn't driving. DSP maybe? Trying to think of guy that would have been unceremoniously dumped around that time.
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Post by jkr on Feb 7, 2019 8:57:12 GMT -5
Dug deep into the archives to revive this thread. Alison de Courcy-Ireland's trial started this week. To sum up, she was the 20 year old driver (?) of the truck that crashed with Zack Kassian allegedly passed out in the back seat. I say allegedly, because another witness to the crash, 18 year old Gemma Brown, who was also in the truck, claims Kassian was driving (ages are at the time of the accident). www.tvanouvelles.ca/2019/02/05/temoignages-sur-une-periode-peu-glorieuse-du-chI won't translate the whole thing, but here are some of the highlights from Kassian's own video testimony: * Drinking for 9 hours before inviting people to join him. * Got the girls' number from a Canadiens teammate. He "can't remember" which teammate it was. * Admitted that he was very drunk, and that he had done drugs (cocaine). * Insists he wasn't driving. DSP maybe? Trying to think of guy that would have been unceremoniously dumped around that time. www.hockeydb.com says DSP was traded Feb. 29/16. (for Stefan Matteau- ugh) Not exactly inspiring to hear that members of the team are hanging out with girls in the 18-20 age range. I know they are adults but... EDIT: That's a huge truck. Must of been really motoring to do that much damage.
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Post by Skilly on Feb 7, 2019 10:01:09 GMT -5
Kassian was 24 at the time. 4 years difference
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Post by Polarice on Feb 7, 2019 10:16:15 GMT -5
Gotta love puck bunnies!!!
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Post by jkr on Feb 7, 2019 12:51:10 GMT -5
Kassian was 24 at the time. 4 years difference Just old fashioned I guess. If I has an 18 year old daughter I wouldn't want her hanging with a 24 year old with known substance abuse problems.
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Post by seventeen on Feb 7, 2019 13:11:52 GMT -5
I guess one could call it a character flaw, but I'd class it more as a flaw in judgment or discipline than character. Not everyone gets addicted because of character. This tendency of Bergevin's to blame everything on character is annoying.
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Jan 31, 2024 16:58:49 GMT -5
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Post by habsorbed on Feb 1, 2024 1:47:36 GMT -5
Good on MB to call the guy out. But it all begs the question: for a gm that emphasized "character" why did MB ever pick the guy up from Vancouver? Answer: MB had poor judgment. And when you couple that with an arrogant attitude you got trouble which fully explains the mess HuGo is left cleaniung up - getting rid of weak players with awful contracts
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Post by UberCranky on Feb 1, 2024 6:43:53 GMT -5
Go back to what I always said about BargainBin, he wasn't a professional manager. Nor had the IQ to learn on his own.
He was like the son who worked at daddy's business but never learned how to manage. Got through the day but the business was slowly rotting at the core.
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Post by CentreHice on Feb 1, 2024 8:18:22 GMT -5
A reminder that Pierre McGuire was the runner-up for GM in 2012.
Were we to be doomed with managerial incompetence no matter the choice--with all hopes riding on perennial MVP Price?
How's HuGo working out? Injuries considered, are we on a proper developmental track?
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Post by seventeen on Feb 1, 2024 12:48:47 GMT -5
A reminder that Pierre McGuire was the runner-up for GM in 2012. Were we to be doomed with managerial incompetence no matter the choice--with all hopes riding on perennial MVP Price? How's HuGo working out? Injuries considered, are we on a proper developmental track? Night and day between Bergevin and Hugo. HuGo are professionals, hiring good people, setting the organizational foundation (a skills development dept and a real analytics dept), and having an unusual ability to acquire centres. There is light at the end of what was a long, dark tunnel.
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Post by Willie Dog on Feb 1, 2024 12:50:25 GMT -5
A reminder that Pierre McGuire was the runner-up for GM in 2012. Were we to be doomed with managerial incompetence no matter the choice--with all hopes riding on perennial MVP Price? How's HuGo working out? Injuries considered, are we on a proper developmental track? Night and day between Bergevin and Hugo. HuGo are professionals, hiring good people, setting the organizational foundation (a skills development dept and a real analytics dept), and having an unusual ability to acquire centres. There is light at the end of what was a long, dark tunnel. But I thought trades were hard?
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Post by CentreHice on Feb 1, 2024 14:13:33 GMT -5
A reminder that Pierre McGuire was the runner-up for GM in 2012. Were we to be doomed with managerial incompetence no matter the choice--with all hopes riding on perennial MVP Price? How's HuGo working out? Injuries considered, are we on a proper developmental track? Night and day between Bergevin and Hugo. HuGo are professionals, hiring good people, setting the organizational foundation (a skills development dept and a real analytics dept), and having an unusual ability to acquire centres. There is light at the end of what was a long, dark tunnel. Thanks for the copium jab. Hats off to you avid followers of the inner workings!
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Post by Boston_Habs on Feb 1, 2024 14:49:01 GMT -5
The right hire was right under Geoff's nose in Julien Brisebois. That would have taken more foresight than Geoff had at the time and he grabbed the best ex-jock he could find. Bergie was a charming dude and had the glow of being part of a winning team in Chicago, but he never had a real aptitude for the job.
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Post by CentreHice on Feb 2, 2024 1:07:50 GMT -5
The right hire was right under Geoff's nose in Julien Brisebois. That would have taken more foresight than Geoff had at the time and he grabbed the best ex-jock he could find. Bergie was a charming dude and had the glow of being part of a winning team in Chicago, but he never had a real aptitude for the job. Yeah, BriseBois seemed to get lost (forgotten?) in the plans when Gainey stepped down in February of 2010. Understandable that Gainey would appoint his Asst. GM, Gauthier. But why not promote BriseBois at that point to Asst. GM--the same position he took in Tampa that summer. He wouldn't be named GM of the Bolts until 2018. Had BriseBois been retained for succession in Montreal in 2010, he would've likely been named GM after the Gauthier/Cunneyworth debacle in 2012 (at the age of 35). Would he have been "seasoned" enough at that time?
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Post by habsorbed on Feb 2, 2024 1:44:47 GMT -5
A reminder that Pierre McGuire was the runner-up for GM in 2012. Were we to be doomed with managerial incompetence no matter the choice--with all hopes riding on perennial MVP Price? How's HuGo working out? Injuries considered, are we on a proper developmental track? Molson's big and unforgivable mistake was extending MB for another 5 years. MB had done nothing to deserve an extension and certainly not for 5 years. The real question is who was available at that time to be gm and could they have enticed Brisebois or another francophone?
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Post by CentreHice on Feb 2, 2024 9:24:36 GMT -5
Berg's 5-year extension came on the heels of Price's trophy haul season--2014-15. Hart, Vezina, Jennings, and Lindsay.
The same day Berg's extension was announced--Nov. 25, 2015--Price was lost for the season and we plummeted to a 9th OA pick--Sergachev...who was packaged off to Tampa for Drouin. One of the worst moves in recent memory.
Berg proved to be No Price, No Dice. He never built above that over-reliance.
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