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Post by CentreHice on Nov 11, 2015 22:29:33 GMT -5
As it turned out with Gilbert's penalty...the Pen's dive?....in the final 2:00 of the third, we were fortunate to get the point.
A great 40 minutes...Pens got only 1 shot in the second period....then, I hate to look at the refs...but the Pens got away with at least two sure calls in the third.
Oh well....take the point....Pens have been playing better, of late.....but I think we're better overall.
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Post by franko on Nov 11, 2015 22:31:10 GMT -5
well, a point is a point, I guess.
have I ever mentioned how much I hate the shootout?
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Post by drkcloud on Nov 11, 2015 22:34:09 GMT -5
Man I hate losing. How does DD keep getting shootout opportunities. Guaranteed miss
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Nov 11, 2015 22:34:38 GMT -5
After the first 13 seconds, glad to get a point
After that second period, miffed to only get a point.
After that third period, thankful to get a point.
After those two Gilbert penalties, amazed we got a point.
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Post by CentreHice on Nov 11, 2015 22:35:54 GMT -5
have I ever mentioned how much I hate the shootout? I haven't noticed....I've been too busy saying how much I hate the shootout.... Idiotic. Travesty. 3-on-3 is garbage, too. Unfair to goaltenders....stand on your head all game earning the point, then the deflating sideshow goal....
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Post by Willie Dog on Nov 11, 2015 22:35:59 GMT -5
Will gilbert get benched?
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Post by habsorbed on Nov 11, 2015 22:36:14 GMT -5
Didn't deserve even a point. The unforced turnovers and give-aways in our end were sickening as was the inability to simply get it out. Gilbert and Emelin as usual, but even Petry had a bad game.
Thought our 4 lines were suppose to make it easier in the third. Tonight was like last year - circle the wagons and wait it out. Doesn't work.
Max still in hibernation. Didn't notice DSP much. Boys looked dopey.
Condon did his part - still undefeated in regulation.
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Post by CentreHice on Nov 11, 2015 22:36:34 GMT -5
After the first 13 seconds, glad to get a point After that second period, miffed to only get a point. After that third period, thankful to get a point. After those two Gilbert penalties, amazed we got a point. Good points....
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Nov 11, 2015 22:41:10 GMT -5
Man I hate losing. How does DD keep getting shootout opportunities. Guaranteed miss Good to see you checking in, dude ... I'd have gone with Paul Byron in one of those attempts ... he looks like he knows what to do on those SH breakaways ... maybe Brendan Gallagher ... he knew what to do with the open ice tonight ... can't win them all, but I thought the game was handed to the Penguins both near the end of regulation and during the overtime ... but as much as I complain about it, the Penguins were the better team for most of the third ... Cheers.
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Post by drkcloud on Nov 11, 2015 22:55:34 GMT -5
Man I hate losing. How does DD keep getting shootout opportunities. Guaranteed miss Good to see you checking in, dude ... I'd have gone with Paul Byron in one of those attempts ... he looks like he knows what to do on those SH breakaways ... maybe Brendan Gallagher ... he knew what to do with the open ice tonight ... can't win them all, but I thought the game was handed to the Penguins both near the end of regulation and during the overtime ... but as much as I complain about it, the Penguins were the better team for most of the third ... Cheers. I check in most nights. You guys are much better at breaking down the game and I enjoy reading the posts here. I like both your picks better than DD by the way. Even Galchenyuk seems to be trying too hard.as others have pointed out. Gibert had a rough night. Might be time to start rotating Pateryn and Tinordi through the lineup
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Post by Andrew on Nov 12, 2015 0:02:46 GMT -5
Man I hate losing. How does DD keep getting shootout opportunities. Guaranteed miss They showed his career stats as 17 for 37 (I believe) in career. Almost 50% ain't bad.
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Post by habsorbed on Nov 12, 2015 0:31:27 GMT -5
Sure hope this does't shatter Condon's confidence. Gave up 3 goals and beat like a rented mule in the shoot out. The real goals were flukey. But gotta wonder what was going through his head when he sees Sid setting up for the shoot out to win the game, and his dad in attendance. Sid played him like a violin. Not blaming Condon but gotta believe he's fragile.
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Post by habsorbed on Nov 12, 2015 0:36:31 GMT -5
Man I hate losing. How does DD keep getting shootout opportunities. Guaranteed miss They showed his career stats as 17 for 37 (I believe) in career. Almost 50% ain't bad. Is it possible the ice was bad? Sure seemed like we were fighting the puck all night. Not looking for excuses for DD or Chucky in the SO but the whole team looked dopey. And no doubt on Gilbert's late penalty it was a bad bounce. Gilbert should have played it more cautiously given the time of game, but the ice was odd.
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Nov 12, 2015 8:01:06 GMT -5
After those two Gilbert penalties, amazed we got a point. Will gilbert get benched? Well, Greg Pateryn was demoted for a conditioning stint and if there's an opening on the RH side then that's the guy I'd go to ... I certainly wouldn't have Jared Tinordi on the RH side ... he's having enough problems competing on the LH side as it is now ... besides, if he is dressed on the RH side and he fails, it will be very hard moving him for 'an equitable return' (whatever that might be) ... then again, it's entirely possible Michel Therrien might just forgive his veteran and shrug it off as 'one of those games'... it's hard for me to find a lot of things wrong with the club when they're 13-2-2, anyway ... Cheers.
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Post by Tankdriver on Nov 12, 2015 8:40:57 GMT -5
Yeah there isn't much to fault with the record but as a coach, he should be rotating players in and out of the lineup to keep everyone healthy, engaged, and energized. It's a long season. By now, the defencemen should of played a few games and Semin should of been back in. It's good that Price got injured, since it forces him to sit out and reduce the wear and tear of the season on his body. Therrien probably would of played him every game if he wasn't.
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Post by seventeen on Nov 12, 2015 11:26:30 GMT -5
I think Gilbert's getting a bit too much blame here. I thought the tripping call on him was really cheesy and deserved at least an Academy Award nomination. I also think Gally deserves some blame on the too many men penalty. It looked to me like Gilbert expected him to shoot it in for the line change and Gally held onto the puck. This is all about getting used to the 3 on 3. You hate to give up possession and Gilbert should have waited until he was sure Gally shot it in, but they have to learn how to properly change lines without giving up possession. I've seen them do it in the regular game with the Dman holding onto the puck while everyone else changes, so it's not something they're not used to.
At least they kept up a decent scoring pace.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2015 11:46:43 GMT -5
Semin's been sitting now for how many games--six, seven? Time to put him back in.
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Post by Skilly on Nov 12, 2015 11:58:45 GMT -5
Man I hate losing. How does DD keep getting shootout opportunities. Guaranteed miss They showed his career stats as 17 for 37 (I believe) in career. Almost 50% ain't bad. Not only is he the best on the Habs in the Shootout, but one of the best in the league. He should be used in ALL shootouts.
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Post by CentreHice on Nov 12, 2015 12:11:51 GMT -5
Semin's been sitting now for how many games--six, seven? Time to put him back in. Galchenyuk did well on the PP….but DSP on that line just doesn't make it. Square peg. I agree….gotta give Semin another try.
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Post by Boston_Habs on Nov 12, 2015 12:53:18 GMT -5
Semin's been sitting now for how many games--six, seven? Time to put him back in. Seriously. I'm all for a balanced lineup but the Eller/Galchenyuk line has struggled and could use some extra pop. Even strength ice time last night: Fleishmann - 14:09 DD - 13:48 Mitchell - 12:30 DSP - 11:34 Weise - 11:53 Flynn - 11:13 Galchenyuk - 10:53 Eller - 10:15 The DD line continues to be on the wrong side of the possession stats, especially on the road, and although the Eller line wasn't great last night they typically drive play to the offensive zone. So why does the Galchenyuk line get the equivalent of 4th line minutes in a tight game where we had the lead in the 3rd period? Can we please put Paul Byron back in the press box? I get that Semin was signed on a disposable contract, but you paid him so you might as well try and get the most out of the guy. I burn hot and cold on Therrien. Some days I feel he's presided over a tight group and deserves credit for the results. Other days I am uncomfortable with his stubborn ways and questionable in-game tactics. I would have been pushing our best possession lines on the ice in the 3rd period (i.e. the Pacioretty and Eller lines) and relegating the DD line to spot duty. It was a good, competitive road game but I feel it could have been managed better. And we need to give Semin another shot. There is literally no downside.
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Post by seventeen on Nov 12, 2015 14:22:26 GMT -5
I'm with you on Therrien, BH. Earlier this year, I thought he had figured a few things out and then I wonder if he really has. Sometimes, I'm sure we don't understand his decisions because he knows something we don't. Fair enough. Then at other times, after a few months have gone by and it comes to light there was no special 'knowledge', he just did something #becauseTherrien. And I go back to doubting him. Mentioned the game before last that Byron had done nothing, but he continues to play ahead of Semin. Yeah, Semin can be a coach's headache, but he could be useful. His production could be higher, but that line was doing the right things. Byron has two goals, but has been invisible since. Does that make him a better choice? Yes, for brief periods, or if you run into injury problems, but Byron is not a top 9 player on an everyday basis. Semin is. Your stats above confirm that if nothing else, Therrien is playing for today and not for April. That can be understandable, but this season, with this start, it would take an Act of God for the Habs to miss the playoffs. It's not going to happen, so why not adjust your game plan to be ready to win in the playoffs. Strategy #1 should be to prepare Chucky for that time and giving him fewer minutes than Mitchell's line is silly. Ok, maybe matchups on the road dictate some of the ice time allocation, but Chucky's been consistenly given less ice time than most other forwards. Considering the friction between Chuck's dad and the team, is this Therrien's way of getting back? If so, it's childish and is hurting the team. I can't see much else to explain the lack of ice time. Is Chucky our worst defensive centre? No. He has improved and continues to improve in that capacity, which might explain the lack of expected offense. But he's not going to get the 70 points we need playing 10 or 11 minutes a night. What I really don't like about MT's head games with certain players is that they distort what is true. Taking Byron as an example, any guy who's been in the press box for a while will usually come out and play well over his head for a game or two, trying to prove to the coach that they made a mistake. So the coach looks good. "Wow, so and so was inserted and scored two goals!" What a genius the coach is. The problem with that is that its unsustainable. Byron, for example, can't keep it up. He's not that good. That's why Calgary put him on waivers. Treliving and Hartley aren't idiots. But Byron is playing ahead of Semin because...... ? I'm still not convinced that MT can help us to the promised land, essentially because of in-game adjustments and of player selection and use. I hope he proves me wrong. I couldn't argue with his decision on Semin at first because it wasn't critical (we were, what 9 and 0?), Semin wasn't producing and who knows, maybe Semin told him to %$#@ off. But this is 8 games now and Byron's two goals have faded away and Chucky's line is worse off than it was. Time to adjust again, Michel.
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Post by BadCompany on Nov 12, 2015 15:03:53 GMT -5
Byron played 1:56 on the penalty kill last night, behind only Plekanec and Mitchell amongst forwards. The Penguins went 0-7 on the power-play.
Just saying.
I get that Byron isn't a big name, unlike Semin. But Byron has the same number of points as Semin, in less games, and with virtually zero power-play time. Unlike Semin, who was given boatloads of power-play time. Last year in 57 games Semin had 6 goals and 13 assists for 19 points. Last year in 57 games Byron had… 6 goals and 13 assists for 19 points.
I swear I didn't make that up.
In terms of offensive production Byron has been right there with Semin, arguably better given the differences in power-play time. Byron kills penalties, quite well apparently, and Semin does not. Byron can flat-out fly and is one of the fastest players on a fast team that is trying to play a fast game. Semin, who was never a burner to begin with, seems to have lost another step. Byron has a good attitude and is loved by teammates and coaches. Semin has been the target of quite a few "bad attitude" barbs from former teammates, former players, coaches, analysts and fans.
I've said it before; the "idea" of Semin was a good one. But the reality of Semin has not come anywhere close to that idea. The reality of Semin is a Paul Byron who can't kill penalties or skate very fast. Harsh, but true. Now can he be the Semin we were hoping for? Perhaps. But there has been quite literally nothing in over a year now that would suggest this is a possibility, nevemind close to reality. I'm not suggesting the Byron is the answer to the second line, but at some point we have to accept that Semin may not be that answer either. Carolina gave him 57 games last year to prove himself, and he couldn't. They decided it would be better to pay him to go away. No other team in the league was willing to offer him anything close to a decent contract offer. Therrien gave him 10 games, and while that may not be a huge sample size, if you add it to last year's totals there hasn't really been much of a change in the pattern. He's still not producing. How long is this experiment supposed to last?
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Post by habsorbed on Nov 12, 2015 15:16:21 GMT -5
I'm no MT apologist as i think he stumbles across good moves or is forced into them. Having said that, I don't take issue with the Semin benching. Byron is all out speed and hustle when he's out there and is playing well. We're continuing to get points. And last night we had a bushel full of chances when it was 3-2 - including Chucky. We bury any of those and we get 2 points. I'm much more eager to see Pats or Tinner get a chance than Semin; because they have yet to get chance this eason, Gilbert and emeilin struggle and Pats and Tinner are still developing and could become that big strong Dman we are missing. Not so sure Semin will become anything we're currently missing. His last few years suggest he's washed up.
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Nov 12, 2015 19:25:46 GMT -5
Byron played 1:56 on the penalty kill last night, behind only Plekanec and Mitchell amongst forwards. The Penguins went 0-7 on the power-play. Just saying. He was also second on the team in hits (5) against the Bruins last Saturday ... Cheers.
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Post by seventeen on Nov 13, 2015 15:16:31 GMT -5
A Byron love-in, hey? My focus right now is on getting Chucky to a 70 point centre. Unless we get or have that scoring centre that can pot one when the going gets tough, we might as well prepare for the draft right now. Maybe that's being simplistic, but it's tough to find a Stanley Cup winner without that great center. The Bruins in 2010 might have been the closest and they had Seguin in the wings (Yes I like that pun too).
So...even though you can show me a ton of evidence as to why Byron should be playing ahead of Semin, I just see that Semin can help make that line productive and Byron hasn't. Then...after a second experiment with Semin, if he fails again, I could see going to Plan B. (I held back from a second witty typo there, #Because17).
Anyway, that's my line of thinking. Gotta get Chucky going. Period.
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Post by frozone on Nov 13, 2015 16:06:11 GMT -5
A Byron love-in, hey? My focus right now is on getting Chucky to a 70 point centre. Unless we get or have that scoring centre that can pot one when the going gets tough, we might as well prepare for the draft right now. Maybe that's being simplistic, but it's tough to find a Stanley Cup winner without that great center. The Bruins in 2010 might have been the closest and they had Seguin in the wings (Yes I like that pun too). So...even though you can show me a ton of evidence as to why Byron should be playing ahead of Semin, I just see that Semin can help make that line productive and Byron hasn't. Then...after a second experiment with Semin, if he fails again, I could see going to Plan B. (I held back from a second witty typo there, #Because17). Anyway, that's my line of thinking. Gotta get Chucky going. Period. 30 Thoughts: Canadiens more than a one-man teamThere's some good analysis in Elliot Friedman's latest 30 thoughts. It explains how the Canadiens style of play is unique. Essentially, we lob the puck out of our zone more than any other team in the NHL, then use our speed to retrieve it in the offensive zone, which makes us one of the league leaders in offensive zone possession. Imo, Galchenyuk simply will not thrive in this system. You don't want a player like Chuckie chasing the puck, you want him controlling the puck. And as long as Galchenyuk is controlling the puck, you don't want Byron on his wing trying to find the soft spots. That's just not Byron's bread and butter, so I agree with you 17 in that Byron needs to come off Chuckie's wing. I think Eller is a good winger for Galchenyuk because he's an ace at keeping possession and skating the puck into the offensive zone. We could have used a good 5on5 producer like Frolik in the offseason, but oh well... a few months ago, Semin at $1.1M was definitely more attractive than Frolik at $4M+. I like Byron, but I want him on the 4th line rotating in and out with Flynn. Byron will likely be more productive using his speed with Mitchell than by trying to be offensively creative with Chuckie.
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