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Post by BadCompany on Nov 13, 2015 10:02:43 GMT -5
Bit of smoke surround Matt Duchene these days, with Adrian Dater, Pierre Lebrun and I think even Bob McKenzie saying that his name is out there. That would be quite the pickup, but it would end up being a pretty complicated deal. For one thing Duchene has a $6 million cap hit, and for another the Avs don't have to trade him. So it would take quite the package I think. I'm thinking one of McCarron or Scherbak would have to go back the other way, and that would probably be just the starting point.
Still...Duchene with Eller and Galchenyuk?? That would work for me.
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Post by franko on Nov 13, 2015 10:31:03 GMT -5
Tinner would be going, they need someone on d, and I think MT is missing the boat on him, even though he hasn't proved himself yet.
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Post by jkr on Nov 13, 2015 11:37:51 GMT -5
I watched Insider Trading on TSN last night when they were talking about Duchene. They also mentioned Tinordi separately. I may have misunderstood but it sounded like he would be gone if anyone offered up a 2nd rounder.
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Post by Andrew on Nov 13, 2015 12:15:39 GMT -5
I'm sure MB is kicking tires, but we'd have to send salary the other way. My vote is Eller + a top prospect and see where that gets us.
With respect to Tinordi, Friedman had speculated that it's just a matter of time, with Habs waiting for the right return. In a position of strength they're in no rush to pull the trigger until they get what they want for him.
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Post by BadCompany on Nov 13, 2015 12:22:40 GMT -5
Duchene is a former third overall who unlike our third overall has actually put up 70 point seasons. Would Tinordi be of any interest to us if somebody was asking about Galchenyuk?
Heck, I think the Avs would probably ask for Galchenyuk in any Duchene deal, though I for one probably wouldn't do it. But that's the kind of asking price we're looking at.
I'm thinking something along the lines of:
* Emelin and Semin for cap purposes
* Scherbak or McCarron as the top prospect that would make the deal interesting from their standpoint
* Pateryn or Tinordi, because everybody wants young defensemen
* A first rounder, which would be low, almost a second.
We'd probably get back some depth players with Duchene, perhaps Patrick Borderleau and Marc-Andre Cliche or something, and the Bergevin special, a 5th round pick.
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Post by HFTO on Nov 13, 2015 16:48:16 GMT -5
Tinordi maybe on the Avs radar since they do need D but he won't help them now .....going to take an established D man plus a top 6 plus IMO... Won't be cheap that's for sure
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Post by seventeen on Nov 14, 2015 2:18:04 GMT -5
Duchene is one of the few guys I'd be willing to give up Galchenyuk for. I'd offer Chucky, Gilbert and Tinordi. If one could get away with keeping Chuck and instead giving up other high end prospects, that would work for me (naturally). Not likely though. If you make that deal or something similar, you get your top centre and you can make do with slightly less depth in some other areas. Would be nice, though the speculation is Avs and Sens dealing. Who would Ottawa give up? Avs need D badly and the Sens won't give up Karlsson or Methot and they have little after that at the back end.
No, we have the depth back there that could do it, but as BC says, Chucky would very likely have to be included.
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Post by GNick99 on Nov 15, 2015 5:42:39 GMT -5
According to NHLNumbers.com, the Habs have $2.567 million remaining in cap space ... even with Lars Eller ($3.5) and Jared Tinordi ($.861) going the other way, more salary would have to be freed up to land a fish like Matt Duchene ... BC mentioned possibly Eller and Alex Galchenyuk ($2.800) and that would be more plausible ... I'd look at that closely, but removing two established core players might not be prudent, but a player like Duschene could make us forget about them pretty quickly, I dare say ... also, if a deal like that one did go down, it would be interesting to see how Marc Bergevin would free up the amount of cap space he traditionally likes having ... one other thing; if they insisted on Tinordi, then I'd look at a pick or possible two ... Cheers. Gotto to move salary in trade like that. Elemin instead of Tinordi? Overall though, I don't think Duchene is the answer. We are set at cenyer, sure Gal has struggled but look at his linemates? Eller and Semin/DSP. |
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Post by BadCompany on Nov 20, 2015 9:13:25 GMT -5
Two more goals for Duchene last night. Gonna be hard for the Avs to trade him now. He has 11 points in his last five games, 14 in his last nine, including 9 goals.
Oh well.
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Post by seventeen on Nov 20, 2015 14:00:36 GMT -5
Elvis has left the building. Think Berg should threaten to trade Chucky?
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Post by blny on Nov 20, 2015 14:41:13 GMT -5
Duchene is a hard working speed and skill guy. No doubt he'd fit in well. Galch would excel in a Roy system offensively. He'd be let loose.
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Post by Douper on Nov 21, 2015 21:06:18 GMT -5
I would start with Beaulieu - Scherback - andrighetto - 1st for him.
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Post by blny on Nov 22, 2015 1:55:05 GMT -5
I would start with Beaulieu - Scherback - andrighetto - 1st for him. We'd have to send a salary of some size back, like Emelin. |
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Post by Douper on Nov 23, 2015 14:28:27 GMT -5
I would start with Beaulieu - Scherback - andrighetto - 1st for him. We'd have to send a salary of some size back, like Emelin. Eller, Flynn, DSP. there are some pieces that can be moved. Duchene with Galchenyuk or Patches would be fantastic to watch |
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Post by franko on Nov 23, 2015 14:29:52 GMT -5
We'd have to send a salary of some size back, like Emelin. Eller, Flynn, DSP. there are some pieces that can be moved. Duchene with Galchenyuk or Patches would be fantastic to watch does anyone think that Col is going to do us a favour by taking back pieces? it's going to cost! |
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Post by Douper on Nov 23, 2015 14:42:01 GMT -5
Eller, Flynn, DSP. there are some pieces that can be moved. Duchene with Galchenyuk or Patches would be fantastic to watch does anyone think that Col is going to do us a favour by taking back pieces? it's going to cost! The way Beaulieu is playing + Eller + 1st + Scherback hmmmm...They should atleast think about it. |
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Post by blny on Nov 23, 2015 14:47:38 GMT -5
No doubt Duchene would fit nicely. With a cap hit of $6 million, we can't just send futures back. They need a clear upgrade on defense. Emelin would be an upgrade, and would fulfill part of the salary return. Duchene, Landeskog, MacKinnon and Grigorenko make up their present and immediate future up front. Iginla, Tanguay, etc aren't long term. They'd likely want a quality winger back. If we could steer them to one like Scherbak, I'd be okay with that. Because he's not on the roster, you're going to have to up the ante on the third/fourth piece.
Emelin, Sherbak, and at least a first, maybe two given that we're a top tier team. That's what it's going to take.
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Post by franko on Nov 23, 2015 15:47:14 GMT -5
Eller, Flynn, DSP. there are some pieces that can be moved. Duchene with Galchenyuk or Patches would be fantastic to watch does anyone think that Col is going to do us a favour by taking back pieces? it's going to cost! The way Beaulieu is playing + Eller + 1st + Scherback hmmmm...They should atleast think about it. agree. but Beau, Eller, 1st, plus > Eller, Flynn, DSP. that's all.  |
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Post by jkr on Nov 23, 2015 21:33:06 GMT -5
With the way Duchene is playing now I'd be surprised if Colorado moves him. They have parted ways with good forwards in the the last couple of years - Stastny and O' Reilly (sp). Can they let another quality forward go?
Maybe Bergevin has to set his sites on another struggling team. Maybe somebody like Philly - Schenn or Simmonds maybe.
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Post by blny on Nov 23, 2015 21:37:44 GMT -5
With the way Duchene is playing now I'd be surprised if Colorado moves him. They have parted ways with good forwards in the the last couple of years - Stastny and O' Reilly (sp). Can they let another quality forward go? Maybe Bergevin has to set his sites on another struggling team. Maybe somebody like Philly - Schenn or Simmonds maybe. You're likely right. I don't have a lot of interest in a Schenn. Simmonds, and I'm lining up. |
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Post by jkr on Nov 23, 2015 21:42:35 GMT -5
With the way Duchene is playing now I'd be surprised if Colorado moves him. They have parted ways with good forwards in the the last couple of years - Stastny and O' Reilly (sp). Can they let another quality forward go? Maybe Bergevin has to set his sites on another struggling team. Maybe somebody like Philly - Schenn or Simmonds maybe. You're likely right. I don't have a lot of interest in a Schenn. Simmonds, and I'm lining up. LOL - I've always liked Simmonds too. Plays with an edge and can score. I will join you in that lineup.  |
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Post by franko on Nov 23, 2015 22:07:25 GMT -5
You're likely right. I don't have a lot of interest in a Schenn. Simmonds, and I'm lining up. LOL - I've always liked Simmonds too. Plays with an edge and can score. I will join you in that lineup. with you there all over the place |
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