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Post by habsorbed on Jan 19, 2016 23:38:21 GMT -5
This nightmare has to end AND SOON! He is utterly incompetent. The loss to the Bruins illustrated his incompetence:
1) It may have been the most boring Bruins Habs game I've ever watched as Les Boys, other than PK, seemed completely disinterested.
2) Many of us have been saying since the beginning of the season that Markov's minutes should be watched carefully, and many have said in the last few weeks that we could see Markov was suffering form fatigue. And tonight might have been his worst game as a tab. I'm not blaming him. He should have not been playing so much and in fact should have been rested a few games.
3) Compounding the Markov issue is that we supposedly have depth on defence yet MT won't use these guys and insists on letting them rot to the point we are now giving them away.
4) Our PP is pathetic and was another 0%. Do we blame that on not having Price?
4) We're looking for offence from anybody and still no EGG line.
5) DD continues to get huge TOI and continues to be a liability.
Suffice it to say: ENOUGH! MT HAS COACHED HIS LAST GAME!
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Post by seventeen on Jan 20, 2016 1:35:49 GMT -5
I don't see a "We're stuck with him forever" option.
That would be my vote. It's all Carey's fault, of course. What nerve he has, letting himself get hurt? It's such a paradox. Therrien's doing all the right things now by supporting his team as he's doing. But he screws them on the ice with poor player and line choices and a poor system that's been around forever. Carey owns him. Without his all world goalie, Therrien (and Bergevin) are butt naked in the hockey spotlight. Can't feel sorry for them. They've done it to themselves and these are the natural consequences. We've been pointing out these weaknesses for 2 years at least and they've been happy enough to keep going as is. Bergevin has tried many band aid solutions, which have generally not worked out.
Not that I love Thomas Vanek, but while he was here, we at least had a scoring threat that improved everyone down the line-up. That exammple (not Vanek, but someone like him) should have been the goal.
If we had run a poll after Carey was hurt, asking how well will the team respond? Will their record until Carey comes back be: a) .600 b) .550 c) .500 d) .450
What would you have chosen?
Certainly not .250. We probably could have lived with any of the above and would have grumbled like crazy if it had been .450, but it would be understandable, especially with Gallagher being hurt too. But .250 boggles the mind. And being last (or almost last) in every important statistical category is abysmal. No wonder we want someone's head.
Sigh.
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Post by habsorbed on Jan 20, 2016 1:54:16 GMT -5
One of the "band aid" solutions was Zach who scored a goal tonight and is playing hard. Ironic that MB had no patience.
As for MT and his current coddling; give me a break. i don't expect Max to dis the coach at this point and would be most disappointed if the captain did that. However I don't want a coach who the players love or hate. I want a coach that allows the players to win (more than a few games a month). I'm tired of the 'woe is us' from this team.
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Post by habsorbed on Jan 20, 2016 2:02:47 GMT -5
We are currently in 10th place in the conference and before our next game we are likely to be in 13th place. Really not sure what MB or Molson are waiting for.
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Post by duster on Jan 20, 2016 2:08:06 GMT -5
The main problem is no one can score. I doubt that changes much if MT is replaced. There isn't a wide choice of replacement candidates anyway due to Montreal's unique circumstances. The media circus surrounding Randy Cunneyworth's tenure wasn't that long ago. Besides, Therrien is owed another $6 million after this season.
In sum, I could see MT finishing the season and still being there next year.
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Post by habsorbed on Jan 20, 2016 2:17:47 GMT -5
The main problem is no one can score. I doubt that changes much if MT is replaced. There isn't a wide choice of replacement candidates anyway due to Montreal's unique circumstances. The media circus surrounding Randy Cunneyworth's tenure wasn't that long ago. Besides, Therrien is owed another $6 million after this season. In sum, I could see MT finishing the season and still being there next year. Wow. That is one gloomy outlook. Sadly, you may be right.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2016 2:24:49 GMT -5
Sadly, until you have an excellent French speaking replacement, you must continue with this moron.
Please don't suggest Marc Crawford until you research how much ice time he gave the Sedins...
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Post by CentreHice on Jan 20, 2016 6:17:42 GMT -5
Considering the streak is now 4-16-1, I don't see how he's survived this long..... It's all been laid bare. While Ken Hitchcock was saying how well-coached we were during our hot start, Steve Ott was asked, "Are they a better defensive team than maybe you even thought going into this game?" Ott's response: "Heh! I wish I could agree with ya....but absolutely not. Their defensive system is Carey Price. This guy is the best goalie, I think...let alone player....I think he's the best player in the game right now. I don't even know where they'd be in the standings without that guy. And that's no knock on their team....they play a very fast game. But ya know what? They rely on Carey Price. I mean, we coulda had 6 goals easily with the amount of quality A chances we had tonight."OttThe Blues fired 38 shots that night, 17 in the first period....final score 3-0 Montreal. Price 1st star. His second shutout in 3 games. Only 7 goals allowed in the first 7 games. No doubt the Habs play with more confidence with Price in the nets....but he was obviously still covering warts this year. It really is unbelievable. How embarrassing for the organization.
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Post by folatre on Jan 20, 2016 17:22:37 GMT -5
Weeks pass, I see lack of focus. Games become more critical, I see lapses with guys freelancing in the defensive zone. What I do not see is the vaunted system.
December and January are not simple and bad. They are abject and futile. And I do not see meaningful adjustments by Therrien, Daigneault, or Lacroix.
For me it is unacceptable, but I say Therrien finishes the season because Bergevin will use what is left of his own credibility with Molson to argue after season is better moment to evaluate.
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Post by HFTO on Jan 20, 2016 17:39:07 GMT -5
I think a loss Saturday Should seal his fate unless MB makes a deal to save his coach for the season at least.
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Post by blny on Jan 20, 2016 17:41:27 GMT -5
There are only two reasons to stick with Therrien imo. One, you don't want to rush into pick the successor and his staff. Two, what better way to tank than to leave the status quo.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2016 18:02:33 GMT -5
There are only two reasons to stick with Therrien imo. One, you don't want to rush into pick the successor and his staff. Two, what better way to tank than to leave the status quo. This. I think Bervegin wants to see what happens when Price returns, whose return to the line-up seems to get pushed back constantly. I like how our goaltenders aren't as busy compared to last season, but the lack of goals still hasn't been fully addressed.
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Post by oldhabsfan on Jan 20, 2016 18:08:33 GMT -5
A possible reason for the inaction may be that Bergevin thinks that he is being dictated to by his players ("we're not going to play for this guy any more, so fire him") and this has gotten his back up ("Who runs this team, them or me? If I admit it's them, what position does that put me in for the future?").
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Post by jkr on Jan 20, 2016 18:41:40 GMT -5
A possible reason for the inaction may be that Bergevin thinks that he is being dictated to by his players ("we're not going to play for this guy any more, so fire him") and this has gotten his back up ("Who runs this team, them or me? If I admit it's them, what position does that put me in for the future?"). You might be on to something. He could not have liked Pacioretty's comments after the Blues game - "even an ordinary team wins this game". That's a criticism of the roster & that's Bergevin's responsibility.
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Post by Willie Dog on Jan 20, 2016 19:42:09 GMT -5
A possible reason for the inaction may be that Bergevin thinks that he is being dictated to by his players ("we're not going to play for this guy any more, so fire him") and this has gotten his back up ("Who runs this team, them or me? If I admit it's them, what position does that put me in for the future?"). You might be on to something. He could not have liked Pacioretty's comments after the Blues game - "even an ordinary team wins this game". That's a criticism of the roster & that's Bergevin's responsibility. That would be very immature and shortsighted of MB if he thought like that. Even he has to agree with what patches said because they are not an ordinary team right now.... they are well below ordinary.
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Post by seventeen on Jan 20, 2016 20:39:54 GMT -5
Pride before a fall, right? When you think you're doing a superb job and all you're really doing is riding on the coat-tails of one player, it's a shock and a rude awakening before you accept the truth. A .214 record since Dec 1st. All I can say is Wow! Even I didn't think we were that bad, but we're plumbing new depths.
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Jan 20, 2016 20:39:58 GMT -5
Not surprised by this ...
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Post by habsorbed on Jan 20, 2016 22:13:21 GMT -5
Don't they always say "the job is safe" just before letting the axe fall. I hope that's the case anyway.
Moreover, with all due respect, when you have a winning % just over .200 and are in one of the worst free falls in league history, everything should be on the table.
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Post by franko on Jan 21, 2016 7:02:16 GMT -5
There are only two reasons to stick with Therrien imo. One, you don't want to rush into pick the successor and his staff. Two, what better way to tank than to leave the status quo. both excelletn reasons. who would be the replacement, and would it make enough difference to make a difference? was going to post a poll with possible "next coach" names, just for laughs (but I won't): Boucher Carbonneau Crawford Cunnyworth Lefebvre Armstrong Berube Carlyle Keenan Richards Wilson
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Post by franko on Jan 21, 2016 7:07:21 GMT -5
Not surprised by this ...
ah, any day now then.
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Post by mikeg on Jan 21, 2016 8:04:42 GMT -5
As much as I want him gone now, I don't think Bergy is the kind of guy who will do that. All his talk about character and how MT was his guy... I just can't see him doing that. The shame/embarrassment that would cause for him would outweigh the obvious common sense of axing MT.
I chose the last option, but really I think the option is beyond that date.
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Post by blny on Jan 21, 2016 8:32:51 GMT -5
There are only two reasons to stick with Therrien imo. One, you don't want to rush into pick the successor and his staff. Two, what better way to tank than to leave the status quo. both excelletn reasons. who would be the replacement, and would it make enough difference to make a difference? was going to post a poll with possible "next coach" names, just for laughs (but I won't): Boucher Carbonneau Crawford Cunnyworth Lefebvre Armstrong Berube Carlyle Keenan Richards Wilson Crawford, Robinson, Ducharme
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Post by Willie Dog on Jan 21, 2016 9:52:29 GMT -5
Robinson was interviewed on TSN690 and said he has no interest in being head coach but would like to be an advisor... he's turning 65 in June. Maybe he would accept an assistant coaching position with Ducharme as head coach... he could mentor Ducharme. Potential Candidates
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Post by blny on Jan 21, 2016 9:57:09 GMT -5
Robinson was interviewed on TSN690 and said he has no interest in being head coach but would like to be an advisor... he's turning 65 in June. Maybe he would accept an assistant coaching position with Ducharme as head coach... he could mentor Ducharme. Potential CandidatesIf he's willing to be behind the bench every night, I'd do that no problem. If his mentoring is more like a goalie coach with multiple clients and he's working remotely and only coming to town a few times a month, then no. I'd still hire him as a consultant but would have Ducharme as another assistant full time and Crawford or the like as HC.
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Post by mikeg on Jan 21, 2016 10:02:54 GMT -5
The outside the box guy I want is Kelly Nobes. He's coached the Redmen for a few years, has a good rep and track record. He is in our backyard, he has no baggage or affiliation to anyone. Kind of like John Cooper. He has not proven himself in the AHL, etc. but that's where I think that is more of a positive than negative. He is used to handling kids and men, and seems to have a very good disposition.
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Post by habsorbed on Jan 21, 2016 22:23:03 GMT -5
Well, as the only one who selected "coached his last game" I must, after Bergevin's presser, concede my hope of any quick action was misplaced. It would appear that those who selected "make it to the end of the season" are looking good. However, before you start counting your chickens, I truly do not believe this nightmare is anywhere near being over. It's all fine and dandy for everyone in the organization to circle the wagons, but with MT's incompetence and MB's inability to muster the guts to make a significant trade, this is going to get a lot worse over the next month.
Of course, perhaps this is all part of the 'tank' strategy now adopted by MB and Molson, so they are all good.
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Post by stoat on Jan 23, 2016 18:24:10 GMT -5
I don't think in terms of a particular date. The two contingencies under which Therien is fired are: 1) When the maximum damage has been inflicted (e.g., matching or even surpassing the memorable 28th place finish), or 2) when Bergevin is fired and a new GM is hired.
Of course, it's possible that Molson will fire both culprits simultaneously.
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Jan 29, 2016 16:23:58 GMT -5
If anyone didn't hear Chris Nilan's rant on Michel Therrien earlier today on TSN 690, check it out ... "it's his responsibility and he hasn't done it ... he's failed miserably ... he's brutal" ... Nilan kicks it up a notch at the 3-minute mark and he really stirs the pot at 5 minutes ... wowsers!! ... at 9 minutes they start talking about Marc Bergevin ... Cheers.
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Post by CentreHice on Jan 29, 2016 16:42:32 GMT -5
If anyone didn't hear Chris Nilan's rant on Michel Therrien earlier today on TSN 690, check it out ... "it's his responsibility and he hasn't done it ... he's failed miserably ... he's brutal" ... Nilan kicks it up a notch at the 3-minute mark and he really stirs the pot at 5 minutes ... wowsers!! ... at 9 minutes they start talking about Marc Bergevin ... Cheers. I heard that today. Nilan said what he's been saying all week but with the amp turned to 11. Ha! Seeing as he's the only one on the panel who's lived an NHL player's life….I'm inclined to think he knows what he's talking about re: practice methods. He shoots from the lip, a la Cherry…but, as with Cherry, I don't know how analytically deep Nilan can be…
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Jan 29, 2016 16:54:41 GMT -5
If anyone didn't hear Chris Nilan's rant on Michel Therrien earlier today on TSN 690, check it out ... "it's his responsibility and he hasn't done it ... he's failed miserably ... he's brutal" ... Nilan kicks it up a notch at the 3-minute mark and he really stirs the pot at 5 minutes ... wowsers!! ... at 9 minutes they start talking about Marc Bergevin ... Cheers. I heard that today. Nilan said what he's been saying all week but with the amp turned to 11. Ha! Seeing as he's the only one on the panel who's lived an NHL player's life….I'm inclined to think he knows what he's talking about re: practice methods. He shoots from the lip, a la Cherry…but, as with Cherry, I don't know how analytically deep Nilan can be… I feel Nilan projects a player's point of view a lot better than Cherry ... man, did he ever tee off today ... Cheers.
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