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Post by Polarice on Jan 21, 2016 14:14:01 GMT -5
I've never seen a team crash like this one, and it has nothing to do with not having Price. Condons numbers are similar to every other goaltender out there. It's our team and its system. The only person to blame for the whole thing is MB.
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Jan 21, 2016 14:24:41 GMT -5
I've never seen a team crash like this one, and it has nothing to do with not having Price. Condons numbers are similar to every other goaltender out there. It's our team and its system. The only person to blame for the whole thing is MB. The worst slide in team history ... never thought I'd see this ... Cheers.
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Post by blny on Jan 21, 2016 14:35:32 GMT -5
I've never seen a team crash like this one, and it has nothing to do with not having Price. Condons numbers are similar to every other goaltender out there. It's our team and its system. The only person to blame for the whole thing is MB. The worst slide in team history ... never thought I'd see this ... Cheers. Completely baffling. Honestly though, would it have done any good for Bergevin to lambaste the players? Internally, if they've decided to purge, vilifying players won't help their trade value. Having a midseason 'state of the union' to say players are available doesn't help either. Remove three pieces - Pleks, DD, Markov. Tank for Matthews, Laine, or Pulujarvi. I've got what I would do mapped out, and imo it's not unrealistic. It won't be easy, but it's what I would do. I'll likely post it tonight as something like "deadline and July 1 goal".
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Post by franko on Jan 21, 2016 14:42:43 GMT -5
The worst slide in team history ... never thought I'd see this ... Cheers. Completely baffling. Honestly though, would it have done any good for Bergevin to lambaste the players? Internally, if they've decided to purge, vilifying players won't help their trade value. Having a midseason 'state of the union' to say players are available doesn't help either. Remove three pieces - Pleks, DD, Markov. Tank for Matthews, Laine, or Pulujarvi. I've got what I would do mapped out, and imo it's not unrealistic. It won't be easy, but it's what I would do. I'll likely post it tonight as something like "deadline and July 1 goal". was thinking it was time after that presser. we are going nowhere this season with this team and this coach. more and more I expect the JM shell to be played.
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Post by mikeg on Jan 21, 2016 14:49:39 GMT -5
On the bright side, there may be some good deals on tickets for the rest of the year.
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Post by seventeen on Jan 21, 2016 14:51:01 GMT -5
Bergevin will meet with members of the media today after practice. Let me guess.... Likely to give his coaches and current roster another vote of confidence..... Not the time to panic...yes, we've fallen out of a playoff spot....but there's a lot of hockey to play....Carey is skating again.... ================================================================= Chris Nilan, along with Marinaro at Habs' practice today, noticed that all the 3-on-2 rushes had the middle guy hanging back...NOT going to the net. Nilan couldn't believe it. I will be more curious to see his temperament and how many/if he will take any questions. Will he show the type of "character" he rails on about, or will he be chippy with a what I am guessing will be a very adversarial media. And none of them scored. Seriously, not even in a drill.
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Post by seventeen on Jan 21, 2016 15:06:45 GMT -5
I found it extremely depressing. From a long term perspective, without Price, this team has no hope so making the playoffs is a useless exercise. And if so, you might as well keep the coach who has gotten you to this point to maximize your draft position. If he's still coach next season, you can lump Bergevin into the moron column with Therrien. Berg's comment about foxholes reminded me of the Band of Brothers episode where the Company is facing a barrage of artillery. One guy is caught outside a foxhole and his two buddies inside a foxhole are waving him on, encouraging him to 'safety' when a shell lands right on the foxhole, killing the 2 soldiers. The guy outside the foxhole survives. Therrien's one of the guys in the foxhole and I'd rather take my chances somewhere else.
So depressing having to go through 2012 all over again. Waste of another prime year, maybe two.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2016 15:08:22 GMT -5
Bergevin now states that Price's recovery is going "slowly." Starting to wonder now if he'll even make a return this season. www.thescore.com/nhl/news/941846"It's been a hard time for all of us, but I believe in Michel Therrien and his coaching staff," Bergevin said. "Nobody is going anywhere."
Bergevin added that Therrien is safe for the rest of the season regardless of what happens down the stretch.
In terms of what he can do to turn things around, Bergevin said he's not prepared to sacrifice the future of the team for short-term success.
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Post by seventeen on Jan 21, 2016 15:09:08 GMT -5
Forget it. He's out for the season.
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Post by CentreHice on Jan 21, 2016 15:33:53 GMT -5
Bergevin says he's not going to risk the future....
What does that future look like, at the moment?
The ONLY way we're going to get a Toews, Kane, Stamkos, Tavares, MacKinnon, McDavid....is to do what their teams did.
Finish near the bottom... Considering Price is likely gone for the year....at least beyond the timeline of any hope....like others here, I'm glad MB's keeping Therrien on.
But he's gotta be out the door after Game 82. No way he gets near another top draft pick.
Seen that movie.
The 29 other teams don't have an all-world goalie, either....and they've all been better than us over the past 21 games.
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Post by franko on Jan 21, 2016 15:53:54 GMT -5
But he's gotta be out the door after Game 82. sorry. I fully expect him to finish out the season and begin the next: "who knows how the next season will go with Price in net?". heck, maybe MB will bring in another third liner to bolster the troops over the summer. so MT will get a month or two. sigh, I think right about now my rallying cry is "Go Sens!".
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Post by franko on Jan 21, 2016 15:56:36 GMT -5
and . . . here it comes . . . funny thing though . . . knowledgeable fans don't rub it in when the going is good because they know that at some time the going will get rough. ah well, a one year blip. hopefully.
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Post by seventeen on Jan 21, 2016 15:58:05 GMT -5
The only part of the PC that I find any solace in is that Berg didn't guarantee any coaching jobs after this season. I could see Berg and Molson having this chat:
"We're screwed, right Marc?" "Yup. So our best move is no move. Let everyone have their worst year ever, keep that coach who's giving me ulcers (and remind me never to hire a friend ever again) and pray we can get Matthews, Puuljarvi or Laine. ". "I agree. Get out there and back the boys to the hilt, so they don't do something stupid like turning their year around".
"And Marc. I don't want to have this same discussion next year, ok?"
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Jan 21, 2016 16:06:03 GMT -5
"... It's all on me ..." - Marc Bergevin ... THAT, gentlemen, is leadership ... he has some issues to sort out, but Bergevin has my respect ...
Cheers.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2016 16:11:23 GMT -5
Bergevin admits mea culpa, and essentially turns down media questions saying big players are seldom available and number 1 goalies aren't on the market at all.
So what's the plan then, Marc? Drouin? Free agency?
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Post by Boston_Habs on Jan 21, 2016 16:17:48 GMT -5
Well if the players were waiting for Therrien to get the ax, it's not going to happen. Maybe that was Berg's way of saying that they are going to have to dig themselves out of this mess. As much as I don't like Therrien, I don't think now is the time to dump him.
As bad as the results have been without Price, it's clear that the guy is hurt and should probably be shelved for the year. We wouldn't be able to win a Cup without him even if we had 10 more points in the standings, so it almost renders the whole season pointless.
What it does, or should do, is remove whatever coating of teflon that Bergevin and Therrien have with Geoff Molson. This is your mulligan. All this talking down expectations "we are a team in transition", "we are not there yet", etc. just won't fly anymore. This is Year 4 of whatever long-term plan Bergevin has, and it's a huge step in the wrong direction. It's not just Price. Things just got tight in the executive suite, so as the late Glenn Frey sang - "the heat is on".
Not that all is lost. Sometimes good teams have bad years. It seemed to happen to Philly all the time - really good and then really bad and they snag a top 5 pick. It happened to Tampa a few years back as well - they had over 100 points in 2011 and went to the conference finals in 2011, and by 2013 they had the #3 pick in the draft and they have been solid ever since.
I don't know what options will be available at the deadline and over the summer, but business and usual won't cut it anymore. Sad, but I feel like fast forwarding through the rest of this season. It can't end soon enough.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2016 16:29:18 GMT -5
So then, BH, are we a good team having a bad year? This looks a lot like the 11-12 season when Martin was let go, and we have the same core (minus Galchenyuk).
I'm only asking because I've wondered this myself.
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Post by Lord Bebop on Jan 21, 2016 16:44:08 GMT -5
Yeah, was thinking a bit along those lines, too ... he's all about the character guys, but he brings in two guys with questionable character ... Semin used to be a proven sniper in the NHL and Kassian never really achieved his potential, but both of them have had their issues ... now the skinny is he's going after Drouin who, on the surface, anyway, might have some character issues of his own ... there are some inconsistencies for sure ... Cheers. The Droiun move (if he makes it) is never going to be a quick fix for the Berg. The team will likely be giving up some key roster, top prospect and/or draft assets for a guy who is still anything but an established NHLer. Don't get me wrong, I think he can be a really dynamic player down the road, but he is not there yet. That move would win over the local media for a bit before they realize the team is not winning any more games. And do I want to see another young offensive player handed over to MT? No effin' way. I still think it could be a good long term deal if the price is right. Boy that Allan Walsh is something else. As you said...a Droiun trade will likely take a significant player off our roster...does that mean if that trade happens, are we throwing in the towel for this season??? This idea is growing on me. we get a highly talented winger, we probably fall in standings and Get a top 10 pick in draft and perhaps pick up some picks by trading some of our UFA's. Start again next season with Droiun, Hudon, McCarron fighting for top 6 ice time, Chucky likely taking over #1 center ice position and most likely with a new coach.... Gerard Gallant plz lol It beats going for it this season by trading futures for rental players hoping our #1 elite goalie comes back in time with no rust and no more injury set backs ready to carry us to the promise land
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Post by UberCranky on Jan 21, 2016 17:23:35 GMT -5
The Droiun move (if he makes it) is never going to be a quick fix for the Berg. The team will likely be giving up some key roster, top prospect and/or draft assets for a guy who is still anything but an established NHLer. Don't get me wrong, I think he can be a really dynamic player down the road, but he is not there yet. That move would win over the local media for a bit before they realize the team is not winning any more games. And do I want to see another young offensive player handed over to MT? No effin' way. I still think it could be a good long term deal if the price is right. Boy that Allan Walsh is something else. As you said...a Droiun trade will likely take a significant player off our roster...does that mean if that trade happens, are we throwing in the towel for this season??? This idea is growing on me. we get a highly talented winger, we probably fall in standings and Get a top 10 pick in draft and perhaps pick up some picks by trading some of our UFA's. Start again next season with Droiun, Hudon, McCarron fighting for top 6 ice time, Chucky likely taking over #1 center ice position and most likely with a new coach.... Gerard Gallant plz lol It beats going for it this season by trading futures for rental players hoping our #1 elite goalie comes back in time with no rust and no more injury set backs ready to carry us to the promise land Gee, i wonder who they will trade for Drouin. I wonder who has been vilified lately. Could it be.....Galcheniuk? Drouin, a French Canadian that may be at best, no better then Gal, more likely worse but he certainly does bring in a politically correct and publically $ellable move. Let'$ not lo$e $ight of the true objective$...
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Post by seventeen on Jan 21, 2016 17:24:10 GMT -5
In 2012 we were a much better team than our record. I think that's the same situation this year, but if we start 2016/17 season with Therrien and gang it will repeat. Have to get a coach who uses players properly. One who can spot an offside, one who doesn't burn up his vets and who Has a solid system that doesn't put extra pressure on the goalie.
Think that can happen? Hope so.
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Jan 21, 2016 17:24:16 GMT -5
To maximize that draft pick in June, and increase the chance of adding young offensive talent for free...keeping MT for the rest of the season is the best strategy. Keeping Carey out for the remainder of the season rather than him coming back for worthless games might not be out of order either. With all the delays, it is heading that way already. I just don't want MT wanting Carey back late to save his summer and get yet another mulligan in the fall.
Despite Berg's PR commitment to his players today, he better be looking for more established offense...still (sigh).
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Post by Lord Bebop on Jan 21, 2016 17:35:47 GMT -5
As you said...a Droiun trade will likely take a significant player off our roster...does that mean if that trade happens, are we throwing in the towel for this season??? This idea is growing on me. we get a highly talented winger, we probably fall in standings and Get a top 10 pick in draft and perhaps pick up some picks by trading some of our UFA's. Start again next season with Droiun, Hudon, McCarron fighting for top 6 ice time, Chucky likely taking over #1 center ice position and most likely with a new coach.... Gerard Gallant plz lol It beats going for it this season by trading futures for rental players hoping our #1 elite goalie comes back in time with no rust and no more injury set backs ready to carry us to the promise land Gee, i wonder who they will trade for Drouin. I wonder who has been vilified lately. Could it be.....Galcheniuk? Drouin, a French Canadian that may be at best, no better then Gal, more likely worse but he certainly does bring in a politically correct and publically $ellable move. Let'$ not lo$e $ight of the true objective$... Nathan Beaulieu+ would be more palatable from our prospective.... Chucky would be a non starter IMO.... As far as French Canadian or non French it really don't matter as long as we get some highly skilled player for a devalued price..I think most Habs fans are beyond the French Canadian fixation
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Post by UberCranky on Jan 21, 2016 17:39:43 GMT -5
To maximize that draft pick in June, and increase the chance of adding young offensive talent for free...keeping MT for the rest of the season is the best strategy. Keeping Carey out for the remainder of the season rather than him coming back for worthless games might not be out of order either. With all the delays, it is heading that way already. I just don't want MT wanting Carey back late to save his summer and get yet another mulligan in the fall. Despite Berg's PR commitment to his players today, he better be looking for more established offense...still (sigh). While it does sound logical, what about the players? Next year, all of sudden we want them to be winners and do their best.....while the organization and management does nothing, even encourages failure this year? If I'm a player with any pride, i want out. My bank account will be filled regardless so why play for a loser. Or worse, an intentional loser.
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Post by UberCranky on Jan 21, 2016 17:46:53 GMT -5
Gee, i wonder who they will trade for Drouin. I wonder who has been vilified lately. Could it be.....Galcheniuk? Drouin, a French Canadian that may be at best, no better then Gal, more likely worse but he certainly does bring in a politically correct and publically $ellable move. Let'$ not lo$e $ight of the true objective$... Nathan Beaulieu+ would be more palatable from our prospective.... Chucky would be a non starter IMO And our perspective counts for what? On the other hand, how many sweaters and how much publicity be gained from a French Canadian *star*. That's the real metrics of this kind of trade. And Yzerman knows this. Yes, given what's going on, I'm uber cynical....and will not be fooled anymore.
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Post by HFTO on Jan 21, 2016 17:53:45 GMT -5
Dis I can't disagree but he no choice but to stand up ....it 100% is his mess...ensuring the coaching staff a job takes away a huge distraction so now the onus is on the team and him.
Far from being a supporter of the coach I do hope the group has a serious sit down and does not let MT's stubborn coaching style continue by rolling out the same tired players .
This now is all on MB so he has to find help and when reinforcements are called up from the Rock he better make damn sure his coach employs them properly.
My guess is Price maybe done let's hope not ....if the season is lost he better make damn sure he makes the right moves so that the team starting next year is not two years behind.
Bonne chance Marc we are waiting
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Post by blny on Jan 21, 2016 17:56:07 GMT -5
If they trade galch for drouin i will turn in my jersey, shirts, and allegiance.
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Post by UberCranky on Jan 21, 2016 18:14:13 GMT -5
If they trade galch for drouin i will turn in my jersey, shirts, and allegiance. They already took the first step. Villification is mandatory in this kind of trade because it sets up the cause and justification. Think about it, they appear to be getting rid of a problem and bringing in a local *star*. And moe money in merchandizing to boot. In their mind, what's the downside? Not winning? And how does that make any difference as far as $$$$ is concerned? Bet the house that Yzerman will win this one as a "hockey talent trade".
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Post by Willie Dog on Jan 21, 2016 18:31:51 GMT -5
If they trade galchy I'm done
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Post by CentreHice on Jan 21, 2016 19:28:44 GMT -5
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Post by folatre on Jan 21, 2016 20:06:59 GMT -5
The response from core players is unfocused and unacceptable. The lack of even half way answers and adjustments from Therrien and his staff is disgraceful.
Well, fine, Bergevin gave the face and said something. For me now the clock is ticking. Bergevin elect to use his capital with Molson to advocate and execute stay the course strategy. So this sets stage for Therrien and Bergevin to depart together sometime between November 2016 and May 2017.
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