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Post by seventeen on Jan 26, 2016 23:04:14 GMT -5
DD - 0 shots, 0 hits, 19 miniutes TOI, 5+ minutes on the PP, Therrien pet vet and minus 3... really I added in the single most important stat for you....it trumps all other superfluous stats, rendering them meaningless. DD had a pretty good game in Therrien's eyes That explains the 19 minutes. I have no doubt myself that its one of the key reasons the morale on the team is in the toilet. Undeserved rewards. I like Dale Weise, really, as a 3rd or 4th line RW, not on any of the top 2 lines. DD I've already mentioned is a fringe player at best and we have a couple of other guys who get way too much respect from the coaches for accomplishing very little. The other guys see that. It's the surest way to insert cancer into the dressing room. Lack of accountability. Oh well. Professional hockey isn't a hobby and your measuring stick is winning. It's what kept Therrien alive the last 2 years when he was still making these ridiculous decisions. They're not working out so well now. Two straight losses to the second worst team in the league. Nice. PS. Chucky went 5 games playing with DD with no points. Gets moved to another line and gets a goal.
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Post by drkcloud on Jan 26, 2016 23:17:12 GMT -5
Saw this as well tied for 9th overall selection Matthews Laine Puljujarvi Tkachuk Nylander Juolevi Sergachev Jost Gauthier Dubois Chychrun Stay in this spot and we've guaranteed a game breaker. We would break his confidence and send him somewhere else for a bag of pucks. Or go off the board and draft an unknown out of American high school
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Post by Willie Dog on Jan 26, 2016 23:18:38 GMT -5
Saw this as well tied for 9th overall selection Matthews Laine Puljujarvi Tkachuk Nylander Juolevi Sergachev Jost Gauthier Dubois Chychrun Stay in this spot and we've guaranteed a game breaker. We would break his confidence and send him somewhere else for a bag of pucks. Or go off the board and draft an unknown out of American high school Poor fisher he gets no love from habs faithful
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Post by habsorbed on Jan 27, 2016 0:00:50 GMT -5
PK had some ugly plays but I can't fault the guy. Unlike most of his team-mates he recognized the desperate situation (he actually gives a damn) and then tried to do too much. He is by far our best player not named Carey.
Our best line was Chucky and Gally. Too bad they didn't have a centre. We're getting closer to the EGG line. But i guess MT will have to trip over it as he sure as heck can't do the math himself.
I'm suspecting Max's injury is a broken jaw. Won't be good if he's gone. Not that he's played that well. In fact he's been awful with some real dumb penalties. But we have no depth so losing his goals will be a killer. What bothers me is that MB will use this as an excuse for why the team is doing poorly and that he doesn't have to make any moves until we have a fully healthy squad.
All i know is that we have watched the top team in the league drop to the bottom feeders and have the worst record in the league over the last 2 months. Sad thing is that we all saw this coming a month ago and were screaming for action, in particular fire MT and get some offence. And while Rome burned, MB played his violin and picked up Scrivens and John Scott. Wow! Now that is leadership. Don't think i want him in the bunker with me. When the enemy attacks he'd probably give me a pen knife and say "Don't worry, if we get killed I'll take the blame".
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Post by mikeg on Jan 27, 2016 8:05:20 GMT -5
What else is there say? They aren't getting good goaltending. The defence can't make a good decision. Turnovers seem to be resulting in goals at a higher frequency than normal (probably because our goalies stink) and the line combos feel like a semi-sentient gopher put them together.
But hey, it has nothing to do with coaching. It's all the GM's fault...
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Post by Willie Dog on Jan 27, 2016 8:13:45 GMT -5
What else is there say? They aren't getting good goaltending. The defence can't make a good decision. Turnovers seem to be resulting in goals at a higher frequency than normal (probably because our goalies stink) and the line combos feel like a semi-retarded gopher put them together. But hey, it has nothing to do with coaching. It's all the GM's fault... lmao... semi retarded gopher... that's what MT has become...
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Post by Willie Dog on Jan 27, 2016 9:54:52 GMT -5
MTHead points out PK's errors in the game
MTHead was being honest and telling the truth... Maybe he's auditioning for AntiChambre
Perhaps it is time for the players to start telling the truth about the coaching staff and their mistakes and deficiencies...
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Post by CentreHice on Jan 27, 2016 10:05:48 GMT -5
Right....the loss is on PK....your leading scorer....says the guy who obviously thinks DD is a #1 centre and PP specialist.
I know Subban took the blame....but that's when a coach says, "He has the flu...he plays so many minutes for us in all the important situations....he's our leading scorer...."
He quickly came to the defence of Markov after a few boos during the last home game......but he doesn't have kind words for Subban's effort....whatever.....
**(Watch the "retarded" comments, guys. We can question decision-making and hockey IQ.....but the board doesn't go there. I know we're frustrated....but keep it civil.)
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Post by seventeen on Jan 27, 2016 12:26:14 GMT -5
Right....the loss is on PK....your leading scorer....says the guy who obviously thinks DD is a #1 centre and PP specialist. I know Subban took the blame....but that's when a coach says, "He has the flu...he plays so many minutes for us in all the important situations....he's our leading scorer...." He quickly came to the defence of Markov after a few boos during the last home game......but he doesn't have kind words for Subban's effort....whatever..... **(Watch the "retarded" comments, guys. We can question decision-making and hockey IQ.....but the board doesn't go there. I know we're frustrated....but keep it civil.)Second that. Remember that actions can be criticized, but try and stay away from what a person is. Me included, as the frustration has gotten to me too. Few people are truly evil or uncaring. Many just aren't suited for the position into which they've been put.
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Post by blny on Jan 27, 2016 12:48:28 GMT -5
Hard to fault PK when he's trying to cover both sides of the ice at the same time.
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Post by CentreHice on Jan 27, 2016 13:14:12 GMT -5
Yep. We scored 4 goals against Columbus....he got 1G 3A.
Shouldn't be too critical of a player who's giving you what you need.....
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Post by halihab on Jan 27, 2016 14:03:49 GMT -5
Hard to fault PK when he's trying to cover both sides of the ice at the same time. You are right. PK gets in trouble when he tries to much, only because everyone else is standing around watching him. Markov's days are over. He doesn't even play the body anymore. Teams are focusing on his side of the ice.
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Post by seventeen on Jan 27, 2016 14:07:44 GMT -5
And the so easy answer is to give him a game off now and then and play Pateryn, who is otherwise rotting in the press box. It's such a simple solution, but Therrien has proved over the years that he has to be forced to do the obvious if it isn't his idea. So easy, so simple, not done.
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Post by Willie Dog on Jan 27, 2016 16:01:10 GMT -5
And the so easy answer is to give him a game off now and then and play Pateryn, who is otherwise rotting in the press box. It's such a simple solution, but Therrien has proved over the years that he has to be forced to do the obvious if it isn't his idea. So easy, so simple, not done. Because MT is da boss.
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Post by Tankdriver on Jan 27, 2016 16:39:57 GMT -5
And the so easy answer is to give him a game off now and then and play Pateryn, who is otherwise rotting in the press box. It's such a simple solution, but Therrien has proved over the years that he has to be forced to do the obvious if it isn't his idea. So easy, so simple, not done. Ah Pateryn.....the new Jarrod Tinordi of the Montreal Canadiens
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Jan 27, 2016 19:41:07 GMT -5
Yep. We scored 4 goals against Columbus....he got 1G 3A. Shouldn't be too critical of a player who's giving you what you need..... PK is battling a stomach bug, plays a ton in those two games, contributes to all our goals...and more importantly, is one of the few guys out there who is playing like he cares, not just going through the motions. Very bad choice MT to do that post game. In PKs post game, he took full accountability for those plays. Hmmm coach, don't you want guys like that right now to help right the ship...playing like they still care and taking accountability for mistakes?
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Post by Willie Dog on Jan 27, 2016 19:58:52 GMT -5
Yep. We scored 4 goals against Columbus....he got 1G 3A. Shouldn't be too critical of a player who's giving you what you need..... PK is battling a stomach bug, plays a ton in those two games, contributes to all our goals...and more importantly, is one of the few guys out there who is playing like he cares, not just going through the motions. Very bad choice MT to do that post game. In PKs post game, he took full accountability for those plays. Hmmm coach, don't you want guys like that right now to help right the ship...playing like they still care and taking accountability for mistakes? MT loves the little guys... pluggers. MT was very critical of PK when he was on AC... why would that bias change? Just because he's PKs coach? You all heard his 'No comment' response regarding PK being on the Olympic team... I mean what a terrible thing to do to your own player. If any one asks PK if MT should be fired... PK should reply 'No Comment'
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Post by seventeen on Jan 27, 2016 23:11:00 GMT -5
And the so easy answer is to give him a game off now and then and play Pateryn, who is otherwise rotting in the press box. It's such a simple solution, but Therrien has proved over the years that he has to be forced to do the obvious if it isn't his idea. So easy, so simple, not done. Ah Pateryn.....the new Jarrod Tinordi of the Montreal Canadiens Worse in a way because Pateryn has played very well most of the time and has proved that he belongs in the top 6. We have too many dmen right now, but that's just more reason to rotate some of them, to keep them healthy and ready and rested.
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Post by Tankdriver on Jan 28, 2016 9:11:34 GMT -5
I can't remember who mentioned this but I believe that your 3 and 4th lines and 5 and 6 defenseman should be guys making around a million and are easily interchangeable from year to year, while the top 6 and top 4 defenceman should be part of the core/higher paid a la Chicago team.
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Post by franko on Jan 28, 2016 9:23:57 GMT -5
I can't remember who mentioned this but I believe that your 3 and 4th lines and 5 and 6 defenseman should be guys making around a million and are easily interchangeable from year to year, while the top 6 and top 4 defenceman should be part of the core/higher paid a la Chicago team. I think McGuire
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Post by jkr on Jan 28, 2016 11:02:12 GMT -5
Yep. We scored 4 goals against Columbus....he got 1G 3A. Shouldn't be too critical of a player who's giving you what you need..... PK is battling a stomach bug, plays a ton in those two games, contributes to all our goals...and more importantly, is one of the few guys out there who is playing like he cares, not just going through the motions. Very bad choice MT to do that post game. In PKs post game, he took full accountability for those plays. Hmmm coach, don't you want guys like that right now to help right the ship...playing like they still care and taking accountability for mistakes? He also took the high road for Monday night - said he respected the referee's decision, Dubinsky didn't do anything wrong & that he should of backed off.
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Jan 28, 2016 11:08:38 GMT -5
PK is battling a stomach bug, plays a ton in those two games, contributes to all our goals...and more importantly, is one of the few guys out there who is playing like he cares, not just going through the motions. Very bad choice MT to do that post game. In PKs post game, he took full accountability for those plays. Hmmm coach, don't you want guys like that right now to help right the ship...playing like they still care and taking accountability for mistakes? He also took the high road for Monday night - said he respected the referee's decision, Dubinsky didn't do anything wrong & that he should of backed off. He's not into excuses, that's for sure ... Cheers.
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Post by mikeg on Jan 28, 2016 11:09:54 GMT -5
PK is battling a stomach bug, plays a ton in those two games, contributes to all our goals...and more importantly, is one of the few guys out there who is playing like he cares, not just going through the motions. Very bad choice MT to do that post game. In PKs post game, he took full accountability for those plays. Hmmm coach, don't you want guys like that right now to help right the ship...playing like they still care and taking accountability for mistakes? He also took the high road for Monday night - said he respected the referee's decision, Dubinsky didn't do anything wrong & that he should of backed off. PK is the only guy showing any heart out there, and maybe Gally. For MT to just throw him under the bus... ughh.. it's getting old now. I am beginning to think that MT is just trolling everyone, I mean honestly no one can be this dumb can they?
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Post by UberCranky on Jan 28, 2016 15:11:38 GMT -5
PK is battling a stomach bug, plays a ton in those two games, contributes to all our goals...and more importantly, is one of the few guys out there who is playing like he cares, not just going through the motions. Very bad choice MT to do that post game. In PKs post game, he took full accountability for those plays. Hmmm coach, don't you want guys like that right now to help right the ship...playing like they still care and taking accountability for mistakes? MT loves the little guys... pluggers. MT was very critical of PK when he was on AC... why would that bias change? Just because he's PKs coach? You all heard his 'No comment' response regarding PK being on the Olympic team... I mean what a terrible thing to do to your own player. If any one asks PK if MT should be fired... PK should reply 'No Comment' Reporter..."What do you think of Therriens firing?" PK..."Who?" Ultimately, MThead will be remembered as an epic failure, while Price, PK and the Ghally's grace the Hall Of Fame.
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Post by UberCranky on Jan 28, 2016 15:15:21 GMT -5
Ah Pateryn.....the new Jarrod Tinordi of the Montreal Canadiens Worse in a way because Pateryn has played very well most of the time and has proved that he belongs in the top 6. We have too many dmen right now, but that's just more reason to rotate some of them, to keep them healthy and ready and rested. Yeah, but he not the couches pet. Who in his right mind would want to sign with us with these clowns coaching? And right now, I also bet the house that Tonordi's agent told Reclamation that he wants out NOW or he's going public and his value would be I wet noodle.
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Post by seventeen on Jan 28, 2016 17:17:21 GMT -5
It wouldn't surprise me if Tinner had had enough and wanted out immediately. What I'd love to know is what they know that they could hold over Bergevin to have him act so quickly. If Tinordi becomes even a 5/6 dman this will go down as a horrible trade. Giving away something for nothing because of mis-use.
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Post by CentreHice on Jan 28, 2016 17:30:49 GMT -5
It wouldn't surprise me if Tinner had had enough and wanted out immediately. What I'd love to know is what they know that they could hold over Bergevin to have him act so quickly. If Tinordi becomes even a 5/6 dman this will go down as a horrible trade. Giving away something for nothing because of mis-use. The whole Tinordeal could very well be symptomatic of the foul funk the club is in…… perpetuating the mood, instead of mitigating it.
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Post by seventeen on Jan 28, 2016 18:36:14 GMT -5
Should clarify. Not a Horrible trade because Tinners no PK. But a poor one nonetheless
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Jan 28, 2016 20:07:00 GMT -5
Should clarify. Not a Horrible trade because Tinners no PK. But a poor one nonetheless Just another headstone in MT's player graveyard. I am just shocked how many players brought in or kids coming up getting so mismanaged that the Berg eventually has to sell them for pennies on the dollar. Mistake equates less ice time or benching is no way to develop and manage your roster. And don't even get me going on the inequities between the "chosen few" and the rest. Knuckles has been heard on the radio this week ripping into the lack of coaching he is witnessing, even at practice. After Berg's presser, I expected a bit of a kick in the butt reaction from the coaches...but, did not seem to happen.
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Post by CentreHice on Jan 28, 2016 20:23:08 GMT -5
Should clarify. Not a Horrible trade because Tinners no PK. But a poor one nonetheless Just another headstone in MT's player graveyard. I am just shocked how many players brought in or kids coming up getting so mismanaged that the Berg eventually has to sell them for pennies on the dollar. Mistake equates less ice time or benching is no way to develop and manage your roster. And don't even get me going on the inequities between the "chosen few" and the rest. Knuckles has been heard on the radio this week ripping into the lack of coaching he is witnessing, even at practice. After Berg's presser, I expected a bit of a kick in the butt reaction from the coaches...but, did not seem to happen. I've been listening on most days the past couple of weeks. On the day of Bergevin's presser, TSN690 was LIVE at Brassard--their practice facility. Knuckles was watching some 3-on-2 drills..and on each rush ( It had to be 10 in a row, he said) the third man would drop back instead of going to the net....and none of them scored. More than a few times since, Nilan has brought that drill up...asking why wasn't it stopped and corrected?
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