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Post by franko on Feb 9, 2016 13:15:33 GMT -5
shocking. absolutely shocking.
referring to the fact that Melnyk OK'd the Phaneuf contract.
Cowan is their Tinordi.
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Post by blny on Feb 9, 2016 13:24:09 GMT -5
Bryan Murray says he needed a defenseman to play with Methot and a Left Winger. So he trades two left wingers and acquires a right winger. Murray must see something in Phaneuf , cause this is a huge Leafs win. A young talented prospect, Cowan, and the second rounder. I don't know Skilly. Cowen , I don't think, has ever lived up to being a 9th over all pick and the pick & prospect are just unknowns at this point. I'd say the leafs are happy just to get rid of another of Nonis's onerous contracts. Cowen has been on the block for a while. Sens fans have lamented him. |
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Post by seventeen on Feb 9, 2016 15:30:57 GMT -5
Put yourself in Stamkos' shoes or rather, skates. You've decided to leave Tampa and the Leafs make you a $13mm offer. Wunderbar!
Pro's.
$$$
$$$
$$$
Con's
Son has a shot at Cup.
Grandchild has a shot at Cup
Great grandchild has a shot at Cup.
He'll get $$ wherever he goes. UFA's don't switch teams because of money.
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Post by Boston_Habs on Feb 9, 2016 17:46:02 GMT -5
Put yourself in Stamkos' shoes or rather, skates. You've decided to leave Tampa and the Leafs make you a $13mm offer. Wunderbar! Pro's. $$$ $$$ $$$ Con's Son has a shot at Cup. Grandchild has a shot at Cup Great grandchild has a shot at Cup. He'll get $$ wherever he goes. UFA's don't switch teams because of money. Well Toronto is guaranteeing that they won't be outbid for Stamkos. That means a lot. It would take some fancy maneuvering by Bergevin just to clear $10m in cap space next year (i.e. Pleks and Emelin), and even though players say that "it's not about the money", they always seem to end up with the team that offered the most money. It will probably take $13 million to sign him? God, I would love to throw it back in their faces. Toronto clears all this cap room to make a run at Stamkos, only to see him sign with Price, PK and the Habs for less money and a better shot to win! If nothing else, Berg needs to make sure we are in the hunt if Stamkos goes UFA. He's the missing piece for us, where in Toronto they would still need a lot more to get over the hump. |
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Post by CentreHice on Feb 9, 2016 18:16:37 GMT -5
That sure would be nice, BH, if Bergevin was of that mindset.
RE: Phaneuf. If I was a Leaf fan, I'd be happy to see him go as the last remnant of the over-hyped Brian Burke bluster.
Gotta say, the Leafs sure bought/assembled an impressive architectural firm: Shanny, Babcock, Lou, Lemaire…..
For one thing, they've got the cred to muzzle most of their media and to lower fan expectations for the next few years, while they chisel away at being once again relevant.
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Post by blny on Feb 9, 2016 18:43:51 GMT -5
Like I said in the retool, no one other than Tampa can offer 8 years. 7 years at $70 million and he can fill in the amount on the bonus check himself. $30 million means more money than Kopitar in one less year. He'll be 26 at the end of the month. When the deal is up he's still potentially got another contract coming.
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Post by CentreHice on Feb 9, 2016 18:52:04 GMT -5
Listening to the radio today….Tampa broadcaster saying that some people are of the mind that Stamkos hasn't been the same impact player since suffering his broken leg….
FWIW….maybe that's a Tampa broadcaster towing a little Yzerman line…..
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Post by blny on Feb 9, 2016 19:06:52 GMT -5
Listening to the radio today….Tampa broadcaster saying that some people are of the mind that Stamkos hasn't been the same impact player since suffering his broken leg…. FWIW….maybe that's a Tampa broadcaster towing a little Yzerman line….. I think that's a stretch. I say he hasn't been the same player since he's largely been stuck with Killorn and Callahan. I don't think he gets back to 60 goals, but there's a framework in Montreal where he can be a consistent ppg player. |
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Post by CentreHice on Feb 9, 2016 20:19:43 GMT -5
Listening to the radio today….Tampa broadcaster saying that some people are of the mind that Stamkos hasn't been the same impact player since suffering his broken leg…. FWIW….maybe that's a Tampa broadcaster towing a little Yzerman line….. I think that's a stretch. I say he hasn't been the same player since he's largely been stuck with Killorn and Callahan. I don't think he gets back to 60 goals, but there's a framework in Montreal where he can be a consistent ppg player. Sorry....the broadcaster also mentioned, "Maybe it's because he hasn't has Marty St. Louis setting him up...." Which relates to linemates. |
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Post by jkr on Feb 9, 2016 20:36:39 GMT -5
Listening to the radio today….Tampa broadcaster saying that some people are of the mind that Stamkos hasn't been the same impact player since suffering his broken leg…. FWIW….maybe that's a Tampa broadcaster towing a little Yzerman line….. I think that's a stretch. I say he hasn't been the same player since he's largely been stuck with Killorn and Callahan. I don't think he gets back to 60 goals, but there's a framework in Montreal where he can be a consistent ppg player. Found this in 30 thoughts. Friedman mentions in #21 that Stamkos' decision could be based on other things. He now leads the team in ice time at 19.50 per game. And although he isn't playing centre ( an apparent roadblock) he takes more face offs on the team then any player except Filppula. www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/30-thoughts-all-eyes-on-dennis-wideman-hearing/ |
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Post by blny on Feb 9, 2016 22:44:09 GMT -5
I think that's a stretch. I say he hasn't been the same player since he's largely been stuck with Killorn and Callahan. I don't think he gets back to 60 goals, but there's a framework in Montreal where he can be a consistent ppg player. Sorry....the broadcaster also mentioned, "Maybe it's because he hasn't has Marty St. Louis setting him up...." Which relates to linemates. I don't think there's a coincidence that his best offensive season playing with MSL. I agree that he's not a 'traditional' center. I think we have the horses to get him back to ppg. |
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Post by Cranky on Feb 10, 2016 15:19:38 GMT -5
No, it's not about the money....nope....never....
And amazingly, always go where they get the best offer.
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Post by seventeen on Feb 10, 2016 20:54:03 GMT -5
I don't think Petry did. He could have gotten more elsewhere, especially net.
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Post by blny on Feb 10, 2016 21:20:35 GMT -5
I'd love to know who's on Emelin's modified ntc list. If Phaneuf can be moved, Clarkson albeit for a ltir contract, etc, we can surely find people interested in a couple of our pieces.
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Post by PTH on Feb 10, 2016 21:36:03 GMT -5
I'd love to know who's on Emelin's modified ntc list. If Phaneuf can be moved, Clarkson albeit for a ltir contract, etc, we can surely find people interested in a couple of our pieces. Just don't over-estimate the actual cap savings... I see people saying Plek + Emelin = Stamkos. (6+4 = 10) but we have to keep in mind that they all have to be replaced, so the actual cap savings would be a tad less, since we'd need a body on defense. Even if that body is Pateryn, we'll still need a warm body in the stands for much of the season, because last-second injuries do happen. |
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Post by blny on Feb 10, 2016 21:49:03 GMT -5
I'd love to know who's on Emelin's modified ntc list. If Phaneuf can be moved, Clarkson albeit for a ltir contract, etc, we can surely find people interested in a couple of our pieces. Just don't over-estimate the actual cap savings... I see people saying Plek + Emelin = Stamkos. (6+4 = 10) but we have to keep in mind that they all have to be replaced, so the actual cap savings would be a tad less, since we'd need a body on defense. Even if that body is Pateryn, we'll still need a warm body in the stands for much of the season, because last-second injuries do happen. To make the move, more pieces have to go than just (those) two. Plekanec and Markov are $11.75 million next year. If you were only going to part with two via trade with no salary retained, that would make it easier. Emelin can be kept if you move Plekanec and Markov. If you can find a way to move DD and Eller (who some western scouts feel is capable of being an elite shutdown center), you can address the left side of the defense and scoring from the wing. Long term injury provides cap relief. The players value in annual cap space is made available for the duration of their absence. Look at Pronger. Everyone knows he's done, yet the Coyotes took on his contract and left him on LTIR. So, while they're paying a a guy $5 million they remove his salary from cap consideration and they also get some money back through insurance (though I don't know how that part plays out). Leafs did the same thing when they moved Clarkson for Horton. |
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Post by PTH on Feb 13, 2016 15:38:27 GMT -5
If we had a complete waste of space type of contract, I'd love to see if Molson would let Bergevin pull off the kind of deal the Leafs got with Clarkson/Horton.
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Post by blny on Feb 13, 2016 16:13:50 GMT -5
If we had a complete waste of space type of contract, I'd love to see if Molson would let Bergevin pull off the kind of deal the Leafs got with Clarkson/Horton. I'd be willing to be the taker of the LTIR player if it got rid of someone. Until the league bans the move, it's a perfectly usable loop hole. |
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Post by BadCompany on Feb 15, 2016 9:10:23 GMT -5
Since Darren Dreger said that the odds of Stamkos signing in Toronto are "remote" TSN has moved onto target #2 (or 3023 in a series, depending on your point of view); apparently John Tavares is going to want to play for the Leafs in 2018. www.tsn.ca/trade-talk-leafs-could-target-tavares-down-the-line-1.437971Though to be fair this was originally reported by Larry Brooks, of the New York Post. I love how people roll their eyes whenever somebody from Quebec suggests that a French player would want to come play for Montreal, but then ignores the fact that every other team in the league operates with the same mentality. Why wouldn't you want to get the local boy?? |
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Feb 15, 2016 10:12:28 GMT -5
Since Darren Dreger said that the odds of Stamkos signing in Toronto are "remote" TSN has moved onto target #2 (or 3023 in a series, depending on your point of view); apparently John Tavares is going to want to play for the Leafs in 2018. www.tsn.ca/trade-talk-leafs-could-target-tavares-down-the-line-1.437971Though to be fair this was originally reported by Larry Brooks, of the New York Post. I love how people roll their eyes whenever somebody from Quebec suggests that a French player would want to come play for Montreal, but then ignores the fact that every other team in the league operates with the same mentality. Why wouldn't you want to get the local boy?? I saw that yesterday and I thought the same thing until I saw it was Larry Brooks ... the only exposure I've had to Brooks were his “tête-à-tête” issues with John Tortorella that the media likes replaying on slow news days ... I couldn't tell you one way or the other why he speculated on this, but as an outsider looking in I think he's just connecting the dots ... like you suggest, why wouldn't anyone want the local boy ... Steven Stamkos would be nice, but Toronto will have plenty of local talent with Mark Hunter following Southeast Ontario prospects the way he does ... all that aside, I've been thinking about what CH posted insomuch as, Stammer hasn't been the same since breaking his leg ... might be something else to consider, too ... Cheers. |
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Post by seventeen on Feb 15, 2016 13:35:05 GMT -5
Let's start a Tavares to the Habs rumour.
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