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Post by CentreHice on Feb 23, 2016 15:38:03 GMT -5
Chiarelli Open To Trading Hall, Eberle, or RNHTwo former #1 picks on the table. Basically, everybody but McDavid.... “I would explore any option,” he said. “I want to improve this team and if we have an excess supply of certain types of players, yes, certainly I would look at it. Having said that, they’re good players and it has to be the right deal.”Why not? Yet ANOTHER phenomenal player will join their ranks on June 24th. =========================================================== Former Oilers general manager Craig MacTavish always placed his core of young stars in the untouchable category at the trade deadline, insisting the organization suffered too much to acquire them in the first place.
Well, there is a new sheriff in town and Peter Chiarelli won’t be handcuffed by sentiment or history or anything else that might prevent him from turning The Nice Guys (on account of where they always finish) into a playoff team.
So everyone and everything, excluding Connor McDavid, of course, is on the table.
Asked specifically about moving one of his $6 million contracts (Taylor Hall, Jordan Eberle, Ryan Nugent-Hopkins), Chiarelli said he is absolutely open to a deal.
While he doubts a trade of that magnitude is doable at the trade deadline, when playoff teams are capped out and reluctant to shake up to their chemistry, he will be taking calls on the subject prior to the draft.
“For me, major deals are less likely at this time,” he said. “There is more global planning that takes place post-season prior to the draft. Then you have the draft picks, which are alluring to teams. There’s just more activity that way.
“Anything is possible, but I can tell you I’m not really looking at that type of deal now. But that doesn’t mean I won’t be looking at that for the spring and summer.”
That’s a new policy statement for an organization that wouldn’t entertain any sort of trade talk involving the big three. But Chiarelli, who’s never been afraid of the bold move, believes this team might need one. He also has McDavid and in a draft that’s very good at the top this year, will likely be picking in the one-to-four range. So he definitely has room to maneuver when it comes to shaking up the centre of the rebuild.
“We’ve got some players who’ve underachieved” – Peter Chiarelli
“I would explore any option,” he said. “I want to improve this team and if we have an excess supply of certain types of players, yes, certainly I would look at it. Having said that, they’re good players and it has to be the right deal.”
As for the some of the players who used to be considered cornerstones, but have played themselves out of it — like Justin Schultz and Nail Yakupov — they’re obviously in play, too. While Chiarelli wouldn’t discuss specific players, he made his intentions clear.
“I’ll look at a lot of different things,” he said. “We’ve got some players who’ve underachieved. We’ve got some players who may need a new venue. Those are the determinations we’ll make between now and the trade deadline.
“If certain players are still around (after Feb. 29) it’s because the deal wasn’t right or we felt there’s a future for them with us, and then we’ll re-visit stuff in the summer.”
Because, needless to say, he is unhappy with the current state of the union.
“I’m disappointed where we are in the standings,” he said. “Just in this last little stretch I felt that our energy level or work ethic has waned a little.
“There was a time this year when we were close in a lot of games and you could feel good about the effort and the structure. Lately there hasn’t been that. That’s a little disconcerting. I don’t like where we are right now.”
The needs are obvious and have been for years: Defence. Size. Grit.
But finding a top pairing defencemen is extremely difficult, and almost impossible in mid-season when teams are pushing for the playoffs.
“It’s evident that this is what we’re looking for but they’re not available,” he said, adding his luck might be better in the summer. “I’d also like to get bigger and heavier. And we’ll do that.”
Chiarelli inherited a tangled ball of yarn here that is going to take some time to unravel, but he says it’s not as big as mess as the last few years worth of standings might suggest.
“I knew there would be some heavy lifting here and there still is,” he said. “But to be here and be with the team, to see them practice, meet them, the sky isn’t falling.
“As much as it feel like it is, it’s not falling. There’s the ability to make this team a contending team and it can be in a hurry. But you have to do it right.”
His definition of a hurry?
“In Boston we made the playoffs the following year. That would be ideal.”
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Post by blny on Feb 23, 2016 16:22:59 GMT -5
I've always liked Hall. He's that combination of size, speed, skill, and a willingness to go through walls to make a play. He reminds me of Messier without the dirty play. He's played both center and left wing.
Chia is clearly looking to augment the bottom six and defensive aspects of the roster. Taylor is 24, signed for 4 more years at $6 million. If they'd take salary back in the form of say Eller, I'd consider a package that included him and our first (if we can't get into that top 3 area).
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Post by jkr on Feb 23, 2016 16:59:18 GMT -5
I've always liked Hall. He's that combination of size, speed, skill, and a willingness to go through walls to make a play. He reminds me of Messier without the dirty play. He's played both center and left wing. Chia is clearly looking to augment the bottom six and defensive aspects of the roster. Taylor is 24, signed for 4 more years at $6 million. If they'd take salary back in the form of say Eller, I'd consider a package that included him and our first (if we can't get into that top 3 area). I'm surprised Hall is available because I remember hearing a report several months ago that the only untouchables on their roster were McDavid, Draisaitl, Nurse & Hall. Wouldn't they be looking to improve the back end. I'm not sure what could be offered. Gilbert is gone, Markov has a year left, Tinordi traded. I'd be reluctant to include Beaulieu. |
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Post by blny on Feb 23, 2016 17:36:23 GMT -5
I've always liked Hall. He's that combination of size, speed, skill, and a willingness to go through walls to make a play. He reminds me of Messier without the dirty play. He's played both center and left wing. Chia is clearly looking to augment the bottom six and defensive aspects of the roster. Taylor is 24, signed for 4 more years at $6 million. If they'd take salary back in the form of say Eller, I'd consider a package that included him and our first (if we can't get into that top 3 area). I'm surprised Hall is available because I remember hearing a report several months ago that the only untouchables on their roster were McDavid, Draisaitl, Nurse & Hall. Wouldn't they be looking to improve the back end. I'm not sure what could be offered. Gilbert is gone, Markov has a year left, Tinordi traded. I'd be reluctant to include Beaulieu. They can use the second pick in the top ten for help on D  . Ference is set to retire apparently. They may let Schultz walk. They could look to Goligoski or Coburn. |
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Post by Skilly on Feb 23, 2016 18:40:50 GMT -5
I've always liked Hall. He's that combination of size, speed, skill, and a willingness to go through walls to make a play. He reminds me of Messier without the dirty play. He's played both center and left wing. Chia is clearly looking to augment the bottom six and defensive aspects of the roster. Taylor is 24, signed for 4 more years at $6 million. If they'd take salary back in the form of say Eller, I'd consider a package that included him and our first (if we can't get into that top 3 area). Would you do Hall and their first, for Subban and our first? |
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Post by blny on Feb 23, 2016 19:32:44 GMT -5
I've always liked Hall. He's that combination of size, speed, skill, and a willingness to go through walls to make a play. He reminds me of Messier without the dirty play. He's played both center and left wing. Chia is clearly looking to augment the bottom six and defensive aspects of the roster. Taylor is 24, signed for 4 more years at $6 million. If they'd take salary back in the form of say Eller, I'd consider a package that included him and our first (if we can't get into that top 3 area). Would you do Hall and their first, for Subban and our first? no. |
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Post by madhabber on Feb 23, 2016 19:39:33 GMT -5
I've always liked Hall. He's that combination of size, speed, skill, and a willingness to go through walls to make a play. He reminds me of Messier without the dirty play. He's played both center and left wing. Chia is clearly looking to augment the bottom six and defensive aspects of the roster. Taylor is 24, signed for 4 more years at $6 million. If they'd take salary back in the form of say Eller, I'd consider a package that included him and our first (if we can't get into that top 3 area). Would you do Hall and their first, for Subban and our first? I wouldn't. We end up with the same problem Edmonton has right now. No defense. Markov and Petry would be our top D unit. Now that's weak. I don't think I would include our first if we could do it. A perennial Norris contender is worth a lot more than Hall. They can have our second. Then we need to fill that hole on D. How about Patches (Hall is our new top LW) to Nashville for Josi. This is what you've got left, and I'll use the drat picks where they fall now: Hall-Matthews-Gally Chuckie-Pleks-Gauthier Hudon-Eller-Byron (with his new 3 year contract) Carr-Mitchell-Flynn Ghetto-DD-DSP-JDLR Josi-Petry Beaulieu-Pateryn Markov-Barbario Emelyn Price Condon Good up front, and in goal. A little weak on D. Can use some of those extra bodies up front to better our situation on D. Trade Eller for a second pairing D (or Eller and our first in 2017 for a first pairing D) Oh and put the C on the guy that really deserves it. |
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Post by blny on Feb 23, 2016 20:18:18 GMT -5
Ballsy moves there. To be clear, you're saying Subban and 2nd in 2016 for Edmonton's 1st in 2016 and Hall. Then Pacioretty for Josi.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2016 21:35:56 GMT -5
Used to love him, but I had to deal him, used to love him ooooh yeah but I had to deal him...
Used to love Max and PK but I'm leaning towards Max not having enough desire or drive, and PK having too much, yes it's possible, I believe Subban is hard on any locker room, I get the impression that everything is always about ME with him.
If you can get Taylor Hall and a 1st for Subban I'd do it. As much as Subban is an ice time eater and point producer I think his "energy" is infectious, but in the flu-like symptoms kind of way...
Every single time I think of the fact that they gave away McDonagh for a bad contract I puke in my mouth, a lot.
But until the rookie killer MT is gone, I feel as though I'm wasting my own time and energy even thinking of my beloved Habs. Which is why I'm rarely posting on this board, I feel I'm watching an evil dictator slowly kill the team.
In my opinion the true captains are Price and Gallagher, Subban and Max are more of the figureheads than anything.
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Post by CentreHice on Feb 23, 2016 22:03:14 GMT -5
But until the rookie killer MT is gone, I feel as though I'm wasting my own time and energy even thinking of my beloved Habs. Which is why I'm rarely posting on this board, I feel I'm watching an evil dictator slowly kill the team. Even though I still post, this sentiment matches mine at the moment. All this energy going into what Bergevin should do is wasted if Therrien and his crew are still at the helm. I don't know how much more proof Berg needs. His all-world goalie goes down…and his team gets mired in the worst slump in 75 years. And we're supposed to be contenders? |
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Post by jkr on Feb 23, 2016 22:23:45 GMT -5
Used to love him, but I had to deal him, used to love him ooooh yeah but I had to deal him... Used to love Max and PK but I'm leaning towards Max not having enough desire or drive, and PK having too much, yes it's possible, I believe Subban is hard on any locker room, I get the impression that everything is always about ME with him. If you can get Taylor Hall and a 1st for Subban I'd do it. As much as Subban is an ice time eater and point producer I think his "energy" is infectious, but in the flu-like symptoms kind of way... Every single time I think of the fact that they gave away McDonagh for a bad contract I puke in my mouth, a lot. But until the rookie killer MT is gone, I feel as though I'm wasting my own time and energy even thinking of my beloved Habs. Which is why I'm rarely posting on this board, I feel I'm watching an evil dictator slowly kill the team. In my opinion the true captains are Price and Gallagher, Subban and Max are more of the figureheads than anything. I don't see Subban like that again all. I see his enthusiasm as infectious in a good way. He's out there trying to win & that can only be positive. Sure you could solve the top 6 forward problem with that deal but you open a bigger problem without Subban. He leads the team in scoring. If he goes who scores your points? Who plays the hard 25-30 minutes a game against the best opposition? Who is capable of playing in all situations? There is no one in the organization close to playing at his level. We can covet players like Josi but it doesn't mean Nashville will deal him. The team must learn from mistakes like trading McDonagh, not keep repeating them. |
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Post by madhabber on Feb 23, 2016 23:21:32 GMT -5
Okay, then you do things in this order:
1. Fire coaching staff in Montreal and St John's. I don't care that Price wasn't there most of the season. There is no way this team is this bad even without Price. And Lefebvre should have been let go a long time ago.
2. Deal for another #1 D. If not Josi, then someone else. Someone who is young-ish also. Not an old guy. You can look for extra help at D afterwards.
3. Trade for Hall and 1st.
4. Pick the 2 best players available.
5. Finish rebuilding the D either through trades or UFA. Don't know who's available.
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Post by Skilly on Feb 23, 2016 23:47:44 GMT -5
Used to love him, but I had to deal him, used to love him ooooh yeah but I had to deal him... Used to love Max and PK but I'm leaning towards Max not having enough desire or drive, and PK having too much, yes it's possible, I believe Subban is hard on any locker room, I get the impression that everything is always about ME with him. If you can get Taylor Hall and a 1st for Subban I'd do it. As much as Subban is an ice time eater and point producer I think his "energy" is infectious, but in the flu-like symptoms kind of way... Every single time I think of the fact that they gave away McDonagh for a bad contract I puke in my mouth, a lot. But until the rookie killer MT is gone, I feel as though I'm wasting my own time and energy even thinking of my beloved Habs. Which is why I'm rarely posting on this board, I feel I'm watching an evil dictator slowly kill the team. In my opinion the true captains are Price and Gallagher, Subban and Max are more of the figureheads than anything. I don't see Subban like that again all. I see his enthusiasm as infectious in a good way. He's out there trying to win & that can only be positive. Sure you could solve the top 6 forward problem with that deal but you open a bigger problem without Subban. He leads the team in scoring. If he goes who scores your points? Who plays the hard 25-30 minutes a game against the best opposition? Who is capable of playing in all situations? There is no one in the organization close to playing at his level. We can covet players like Josi but it doesn't mean Nashville will deal him. The team must learn from mistakes like trading McDonagh, not keep repeating them. I'm only using Hall as the example because he is the second best player on the team, and they aren't moving McDavid. If, big if, we trade Subban for Hall , it becomes Hall and a top three draft pick immediately ready to play. Second we save 3 million in cap space. We have seen example here where we can sign Stamkos at 12 million. Or my example of Ladd and Okposo. Now we have 15 million freed up. Imagine this. Hall-Galchenyuk-Gallagher Ladd/Stamkos- Matthews-Okposo All possible by trading Subban. Now we would most definitely be weaker on defense, but we have the one thing Edmonton does not ...an all world goalie. How do you solve the defense hole ... Trading Markov at the deadline for a young D prospect could do it. |
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Post by GNick99 on Feb 24, 2016 6:01:28 GMT -5
I doubt RNH has much trade value. A 3rd line center making 5m? A Emelin for RNH may be good for both clubs. Something like that.
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Post by Cranky on Feb 24, 2016 6:34:23 GMT -5
Subban for Draisatalene, Nurse and their first?
Were do i sign?
My mother feared that I'd trade her for a tricycle and two packs of May West when i was 7, why stop now?
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Post by Cranky on Feb 24, 2016 6:36:17 GMT -5
Okay, then you do things in this order: 1. Fire coaching staff in Montreal and St John's. I don't care that Price wasn't there most of the season. There is no way this team is this bad even without Price. And Lefebvre should have been let go a long time ago. 2. Deal for another #1 D. If not Josi, then someone else. Someone who is young-ish also. Not an old guy. You can look for extra help at D afterwards. 3. Trade for Hall and 1st. 4. Pick the 2 best players available. 5. Finish rebuilding the D either through trades or UFA. Don't know who's available. Id take 1....and stop. Don't be greedy! |
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Post by CentreHice on Feb 24, 2016 9:09:59 GMT -5
Bergevin said he's not trading Subban.
He's a man of his word, isn't he?
Ha! I'm getting to the point where I don't know what to expect...other than a bigger mess.
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Post by CentreHice on Feb 24, 2016 11:14:39 GMT -5
Pierre McGuire's choice would be Eberle.
Ray Ferraro's would be RHN.
Listening to TSN690....an Edmonton sports' media member saying that Hall, Nurse, and Draisaitl are most likely NOT on the table...along with McDavid, of course.
Eberle, Yakupov, RNH.....that's the consensus I'm hearing....also to avoid Yakupov....
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Post by franko on Feb 24, 2016 11:35:32 GMT -5
Subban for Draisatalene, Nurse and their first? Were do i sign? not the kind of nurse you're thinking of . . .  |
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Post by duster on Feb 24, 2016 13:37:47 GMT -5
If I'm Bergevin, I'd trade the nurse for Subban straight up...
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Post by GNick99 on Feb 25, 2016 5:42:15 GMT -5
Spector was on 590 yesterday, said Oilers would deal Yakupov for 3rd pick. Just to move on. Maybe worth a shot in the dark?
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Post by blny on Feb 25, 2016 6:29:24 GMT -5
Spector was on 590 yesterday, said Oilers would deal Yakupov for 3rd pick. Just to move on. Maybe worth a shot in the dark? 3rd next year? I thought about it. It's possible you catch lightning in a bottle by reuniting him with Galchenyuk. You'd definitely have to put someone defensively aware with them. Nail doesn't know where his own end is. |
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Feb 25, 2016 11:16:19 GMT -5
Spector was on 590 yesterday, said Oilers would deal Yakupov for 3rd pick. Just to move on. Maybe worth a shot in the dark? I would do that in a heartbeat, worth the risk/reward. It would never work with MT still around, as Nail is the polar opposite of the type of player that MT likes to, and can, work with. It is not surprising that a common theme across so many posts and threads regarding moves to make the team better all seem to end with a collective sigh that it may all be for not if the coaches don't change...and the growing resignation that it is far from a given that the Berg makes that necessary move over the summer. |
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Post by seventeen on Feb 25, 2016 16:47:36 GMT -5
A lot of Montreal journalists seem to feel it's a done deal (Therrien being fired at the end of the season). I don't get it. They're supposed to be a skeptical crew. Since when did anyone in the Habs organization fill you with a sense of trust? I'm convinced he's coming back, #BecauseTherrien.
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Post by franko on Feb 25, 2016 18:41:17 GMT -5
A lot of Montreal journalists seem to feel it's a done deal (Therrien being fired at the end of the season). I don't get it. They're supposed to be a skeptical crew. Since when did anyone in the Habs organization fill you with a sense of trust? |
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Post by Skilly on Jun 11, 2016 12:14:12 GMT -5
According to the website GoHabsGo, the Oilers offered their 4th overall selection and Oscar Klefbom to the Habs in exchange for PK Subban. The website also states that Bergevin rejected it immediately, and then took Subban off the trade market.
I don't know how reliable the site is, I didn't know he really was even on the trade block. Sure you accept offers, but to say he was "taken off the trade market" kinda infers that Bergevin had him on the market. Which I think is horsepucky.
The site also seems to believe that Yakupov will be trade at the draft, and the Habs could get him for a 2nd or 3rd rounder. Please, no.
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Post by franko on Jun 11, 2016 13:08:13 GMT -5
The site also seems to believe that Yakupov will be trade at the draft, and the Habs could get him for a 2nd or 3rd rounder. Please, no. we can rebuild remake him . . .  |
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Post by PTH on Jun 11, 2016 13:10:38 GMT -5
I wouldn't be surprised at Eller for Yakupov myself.
As to the 4th and Kefbom for PK, it shows how far off we are from the type of Draisatl, Nurse and 1st type of deal we are hoping for if PK were to be moved.
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Post by folatre on Jun 11, 2016 14:59:30 GMT -5
But that offer for Subban (elite #1 d-man, Norris winner, in prime, no contract uncertainty) is absurdly poor. I definitely do not want to trade Subban, but that offer (it is more than imaginations in someones head) would not be indicative of what a serious suitor may offer.
I would be surprised to see Eller go for Yakupov. If Therrien decides to use Eller properly, he at least has established a role in the league. Yakupov offensive numbers and defensive ineptness suggest he has not established a role in the league.
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Post by jkr on Jun 11, 2016 15:15:24 GMT -5
I wouldn't be surprised at Eller for Yakupov myself. As to the 4th and Kefbom for PK, it shows how far off we are from the type of Draisatl, Nurse and 1st type of deal we are hoping for if PK were to be moved. No, I think that offer would shows that Chiarelli is out of touch. Klefbom & a prospect for Subban? Really? In any case I don't see how some obscure website would have such info. |
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