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Post by franko on Jun 11, 2016 15:33:10 GMT -5
I would be surprised to see Eller go for Yakupov. 1 If Therrien decides to use Eller properly, he at least has established a role in the league. 2 Yakupov offensive numbers and defensive ineptness suggest he has not established a role in the league. that's actually what makes the whole idea possible. 1 when has MT ever used a player properly? 2 what a great opportunity to reclaim a player and turn him into what was promised! it's happened so many times already with NB and MT, hasn't it? hasn't it?? |
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Post by GNick99 on Jun 12, 2016 3:33:08 GMT -5
According to the website GoHabsGo, the Oilers offered their 4th overall selection and Oscar Klefbom to the Habs in exchange for PK Subban. The website also states that Bergevin rejected it immediately, and then took Subban off the trade market. I don't know how reliable the site is, I didn't know he really was even on the trade block. Sure you accept offers, but to say he was "taken off the trade market" kinda infers that Bergevin had him on the market. Which I think is horsepucky. The site also seems to believe that Yakupov will be trade at the draft, and the Habs could get him for a 2nd or 3rd rounder. Please, no. Habs make take a flyer on Yakupov. Reunite with Galchenyuk, see if it finds old-time familiarity. |
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Post by blny on Jun 12, 2016 13:03:34 GMT -5
Sending a middling pick for Yak would be in keeping with the bargain bin shopping. Lightning could very well strike, but I wouldn't pull that trigger. Not because I'd be afraid it wouldn't work, but because the last month of the season showed that Galchenyuk has found his line mates. Pacioretty-Galchenyuk-Gallagher should be the first line, without question. That means, it's up to Bergevin to address the need for goals on Plekanec's line.
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Post by PTH on Jun 12, 2016 13:18:43 GMT -5
Sending a middling pick for Yak would be in keeping with the bargain bin shopping. Lightning could very well strike, but I wouldn't pull that trigger. Not because I'd be afraid it wouldn't work, but because the last month of the season showed that Galchenyuk has found his line mates. Pacioretty-Galchenyuk-Gallagher should be the first line, without question. That means, it's up to Bergevin to address the need for goals on Plekanec's line. There's no reason we couldn't trade for Yak and then play him on a line away from Galchenyuk. He's a legit NHLer regardless of his Junior linemates. I saw enough of him as an Oiler to feel that he could be a Richard Zednik type - a pretty good forechecker for a scoring forward, not a guy who'd drive the offense on a line but a guy who can produce under the right circumstances. Put him with Plekanec and a hard-working LW like Carr and he might be able to score 25. |
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Post by folatre on Jun 12, 2016 15:05:53 GMT -5
I know that he is young still and entered league on horrible team but the numbers are not at all impressive over four seasons and for whatever reason the reputation is out there that he has not worked hard enough to be complete player. So now he's an RFA and apparently Chiarelli would prefer not to have him and his next contract on the roster for two more seasons. Yakupov is devalued asset. If Canadiens coaching philosophy was more characterized by patience, objectivity and working for long-term benefit of organisation then I would say sure pick up phone and offer Edmonton a 4th rounder next week.
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Jun 13, 2016 10:07:21 GMT -5
I know that he is young still and entered league on horrible team but the numbers are not at all impressive over four seasons and for whatever reason the reputation is out there that he has not worked hard enough to be complete player. So now he's an RFA and apparently Chiarelli would prefer not to have him and his next contract on the roster for two more seasons. Yakupov is devalued asset. If Canadiens coaching philosophy was more characterized by patience, objectivity and working for long-term benefit of organisation then I would say sure pick up phone and offer Edmonton a 4th rounder next week. There was a time I'd have liked to see him in Montreal, but I now see Nail Yakupov now as another swing-for-the-fences kind of player ... he may/may not do well in a different environment, but there's something about his attitude I just don't like ... is he still hot-dogging because Michel Therrien simply won't stand for that kind of disrespect (his words, not mine) ... just a personal opinion, but if he can't handle the press in Edmonton, I don't think he'd do all that well with the press in Montreal, more so if he goes into a slump ... like I said, there was a time I'd have taken him in Montreal, but I just think Marc Bergevin would be taking a big chance on him and we've already taken a chance on some bargain-basement deals ... unless we could get him for a 4th-rounder, I'd pass ... Cheers. |
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Post by Habs_fan_in_LA on Jun 13, 2016 15:38:15 GMT -5
I know that he is young still and entered league on horrible team but the numbers are not at all impressive over four seasons and for whatever reason the reputation is out there that he has not worked hard enough to be complete player. So now he's an RFA and apparently Chiarelli would prefer not to have him and his next contract on the roster for two more seasons. Yakupov is devalued asset. If Canadiens coaching philosophy was more characterized by patience, objectivity and working for long-term benefit of organisation then I would say sure pick up phone and offer Edmonton a 4th rounder next week. There was a time I'd have liked to see him in Montreal, but I now see Nail Yakupov now as another swing-for-the-fences kind of player ... he may/may not do well in a different environment, but there's something about his attitude I just don't like ... is he still hot-dogging because Michel Therrien simply won't stand for that kind of disrespect (his words, not mine) ... just a personal opinion, but if he can't handle the press in Edmonton, I don't think he'd do all that well with the press in Montreal, more so if he goes into a slump ... like I said, there was a time I'd have taken him in Montreal, but I just think Marc Bergevin would be taking a big chance on him and we've already taken a chance on some bargain-basement deals ... unless we could get him for a 4th-rounder, I'd pass ... Cheers. Not disputing your observations but I would certainly offer a second. I remember frustration with Lafleur for a few years watching Dionne star in Detroit immediately after juniors. Lafleur turned out ok after a relatively slow start. Fast, scorers touch, proven star in juniors, no guarantee but worth a shot a la Bergivan Bargain Binstyle. |
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Jun 14, 2016 7:14:13 GMT -5
There was a time I'd have liked to see him in Montreal, but I now see Nail Yakupov now as another swing-for-the-fences kind of player ... he may/may not do well in a different environment, but there's something about his attitude I just don't like ... is he still hot-dogging because Michel Therrien simply won't stand for that kind of disrespect (his words, not mine) ... just a personal opinion, but if he can't handle the press in Edmonton, I don't think he'd do all that well with the press in Montreal, more so if he goes into a slump ... like I said, there was a time I'd have taken him in Montreal, but I just think Marc Bergevin would be taking a big chance on him and we've already taken a chance on some bargain-basement deals ... unless we could get him for a 4th-rounder, I'd pass ... Cheers. Not disputing your observations but I would certainly offer a second. I remember frustration with Lafleur for a few years watching Dionne star in Detroit immediately after juniors. Lafleur turned out ok after a relatively slow start. Fast, scorers touch, proven star in juniors, no guarantee but worth a shot a la Bergivan Bargain Binstyle. I remember Guy Lafleur coming into his own in this 4th season ... that's when he really took off ... like Lafleur, Nail Yakupov has the talent, but unlike Lafleur I find he has character issues ... every so often Yakupov comes up in the press and it's rarely for a good reason ... in that context I feel the Montreal media will eventually feast on him a la Alexei Kovalev ... he's got the talent, no doubting that, but he's not getting it done in Edmonton ... I don't know if a change of scenery would help him or not, but I'm very leery of giving him a shot in Montreal ... like I said, I respect his talent, but I just don't think he'd be a good fit in Montreal ... Cheers. |
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Post by Habs_fan_in_LA on Jun 14, 2016 10:33:24 GMT -5
Not disputing your observations but I would certainly offer a second. I remember frustration with Lafleur for a few years watching Dionne star in Detroit immediately after juniors. Lafleur turned out ok after a relatively slow start. Fast, scorers touch, proven star in juniors, no guarantee but worth a shot a la Bergivan Bargain Binstyle. I remember Guy Lafleur coming into his own in this 4th season ... that's when he really took off ... like Lafleur, Nail Yakupov has the talent, but unlike Lafleur I find he has character issues ... every so often Yakupov comes up in the press and it's rarely for a good reason ... in that context I feel the Montreal media will eventually feast on him a la Alexei Kovalev ... he's got the talent, no doubting that, but he's not getting it done in Edmonton ... I don't know if a change of scenery would help him or not, but I'm very leery of giving him a shot in Montreal ... like I said, I respect his talent, but I just don't think he'd be a good fit in Montreal ... Cheers. Yakupov certainly has character issues but so did/does Lafleur. His character issues were what drove him to be great. Guy never kept his opinions to himself and was a moody brooding person. I remember Guy flying down the ice, blond hair blowing and releasing a powerful shot for a goal. I don't remember him hugging teammates and congratulating them until the last game of the cup win. Sometimes you put up with eccentricity in superstars. Yakupov has the remote possibility of superstardom that very good Angrehetto doesn't. |
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Jun 14, 2016 11:03:09 GMT -5
I remember Guy Lafleur coming into his own in this 4th season ... that's when he really took off ... like Lafleur, Nail Yakupov has the talent, but unlike Lafleur I find he has character issues ... every so often Yakupov comes up in the press and it's rarely for a good reason ... in that context I feel the Montreal media will eventually feast on him a la Alexei Kovalev ... he's got the talent, no doubting that, but he's not getting it done in Edmonton ... I don't know if a change of scenery would help him or not, but I'm very leery of giving him a shot in Montreal ... like I said, I respect his talent, but I just don't think he'd be a good fit in Montreal ... Cheers. Yakupov certainly has character issues but so did/does Lafleur. His character issues were what drove him to be great. Guy never kept his opinions to himself and was a moody brooding person. I remember Guy flying down the ice, blond hair blowing and releasing a powerful shot for a goal. I don't remember him hugging teammates and congratulating them until the last game of the cup win. Sometimes you put up with eccentricity in superstars. Yakupov has the remote possibility of superstardom that very good Angrehetto doesn't. Honestly didn't know that about Lafleur ... thanks for the info, dude ... Cheers. |
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Post by folatre on Jun 14, 2016 14:35:51 GMT -5
Lafleur is prickly character at times, but his love of hockey and desire to be great never seemed in doubt.
Yakupov may not love hockey enough to evolve his game and improve it.
Again, I would be pleased to see the organisation give up a middle round pick for the opportunity to see if light turns on for talented 23 year old provided the organisation's coaching is characterised by being patient with and objective about young players (particularly offensively skilled ones). Time will say if Muller has impact on Therrien, but as it stands now this coaching regime leads me to see giving up 3rd or 4th rounder as poor bet.
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Post by Habs_fan_in_LA on Jun 14, 2016 19:38:28 GMT -5
Yakupov certainly has character issues but so did/does Lafleur. His character issues were what drove him to be great. Guy never kept his opinions to himself and was a moody brooding person. I remember Guy flying down the ice, blond hair blowing and releasing a powerful shot for a goal. I don't remember him hugging teammates and congratulating them until the last game of the cup win. Sometimes you put up with eccentricity in superstars. Yakupov has the remote possibility of superstardom that very good Angrehetto doesn't. Honestly didn't know that about Lafleur ... thanks for the info, dude ... Cheers. To me there are two kinds of hockey players. Those who love the game and those for whom its a business. I love playing the game. I pay for ice time and my equipment to be able to play. When hockey is a business and you have to do wind sprints, lift weights, drills and diet along with hitting drills in scrimmage it becomes a job. A very tough job. A job where you have tough bosses and thousands of critics ripping your every performance. Going into a five game slump while you recover from a Charlie horse, uncertainty about your contract and possible trades. Playing through pain and EVERYONE has bruises and nagging injuries slowing them down. All players are different. Some still love the game, some are driven to be the best they can be, some skate to pick up a paycheck and some live in fear of losing their job daily. We see the on ice performance whereas Bergy sees practices, character and personalities. I could be very wrong about Yakupov and Gauthier but I like to swing for the fences. |
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Jun 14, 2016 21:30:31 GMT -5
Honestly didn't know that about Lafleur ... thanks for the info, dude ... Cheers. To me there are two kinds of hockey players. Those who love the game and those for whom its a business. I love playing the game. I pay for ice time and my equipment to be able to play. When hockey is a business and you have to do wind sprints, lift weights, drills and diet along with hitting drills in scrimmage it becomes a job. A very tough job. A job where you have tough bosses and thousands of critics ripping your every performance. Going into a five game slump while you recover from a Charlie horse, uncertainty about your contract and possible trades. Playing through pain and EVERYONE has bruises and nagging injuries slowing them down. All players are different. Some still love the game, some are driven to be the best they can be, some skate to pick up a paycheck and some live in fear of losing their job daily. We see the on ice performance whereas Bergy sees practices, character and personalities. I could be very wrong about Yakupov and Gauthier but I like to swing for the fences. Good post, mate ... Cheers. |
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