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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Apr 26, 2016 21:11:37 GMT -5
Can't remember what sites brought me to the Detroit Free Press, but they're speculating Tomas Tatar could be dealt ... they want to get bigger ... go figure that ... Cheers. |
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Post by blny on Apr 26, 2016 22:23:44 GMT -5
It's alright to be small if you're productive. Tatar isn't.
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Post by seventeen on Apr 27, 2016 14:44:38 GMT -5
If we picked him up we'd be left in Tatars.
(Reminds me of the Blue Jays ad where the border services guy welcomes the Jay with 'Just flew in?' Sucky line.
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Post by BadCompany on Apr 28, 2016 10:14:44 GMT -5
So let's break down the numbers a little bit:
Three full NHL seasons:
2015-16:
21 goals
7 PPGs, 2:22 PP mins/game
Usual linemates: Gustav Nyquist (51.1%) and Riley Sheahan (46.8%). Also played with Pavel Datsyuk (24.7%) a little bit, I'm guessing on the power-play.
Nyquist and Sheahan are good players, for sure, but not what you would call elite. I guess Nyquist would fall into the "Plekanec" category, so in Montreal a 20 goal season, assuming regular power-play time, would not be unreasonable for Tatar.
2014-15:
29 goals
9 PPGs, 2:29 PP mins/game
Usual linemates: Pavel Datsyuk (47.9%), Darren Helm (44.3%), Riley Sheahan (43.5%).
Hard to say what, exactly, this means. Clearly he benefited from playing with Datsyuk, but how regular was that aside from power-play time? He still got significant time with a couple of scrubs. I'll let others find that info, if so inclined.
2013-14:
19 goals
2 PPGs, 2:17 PP mins/game
Usual linemates: Riley Sheahan (44.7%), Tomas Jurco (27.4%), Joakim Andersson (25.7%)
So the numbers would seem to suggest that he's a fairly solid top 6 forward, capable of chipping in 20 goals or so if given adequate power-play time. Not a star player by any stretch, but a nice complimentary player. Put him with Galchenyuk and you might be looking at 25-30 goals. With Plekanec, maybe 20, which I suppose isn't bad for a second line player, assuming the center and right-winger also chip in 20 or so. At $2.75 million he won't break the bank, but it could hurt your ability to land the elite player, assuming no other changes.
I don't know. I guess it depends on what Detroit's asking price is, what the market is for other players, and where they see guys like McCarron, Andrighetto, Scherbak and so on, in 6 months.
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Apr 28, 2016 11:18:45 GMT -5
I don't know. I guess it depends on what Detroit's asking price is, what the market is for other players, and where they see guys like McCarron, Andrighetto, Scherbak and so on, in 6 months. I'm wondering if Ken Holland would package him in a deal to move up in the draft ... Detroit's 1st-rounder + Tomas Tatar to 'whomever' ... however, they have one player on their roster who left an impression with me and if I'm Marc Bergevin I'd be asking about Andreas Athanasiou ... he lead the Red Wings in preseason scoring but was demoted before the regular season started ... that said, he's only 21 and since Detroit is looking to get bigger, I don't think they'd would entertain moving him (he's 6'2", 192 lbs.), but while they can always say "no", it's still nothing ventured, nothing gained ... Tatar? Would he do well with Tomas Plekanec? ... it's possible ... honestly, it wouldn't surprise me to hear of Berg making a pitch for him ... Cheers. |
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Post by blny on Apr 28, 2016 11:35:09 GMT -5
Anathasiou is intriguing - he had the best move that didn't lead to a goal in the first round with his double spin-o-rama. Not intriguing enough to take Tatar though. If we were bigger, he'd be a viable complimentary piece.
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Post by folatre on Apr 29, 2016 20:53:52 GMT -5
He is small though certainly skillful to play second line on many NHL teams. I agree he profiles as consistent 20 goal/50 point type of guy. So yes of course he profiles as top six compared to guys with little (Andrighetto) and no (McCarron, Sherback) top six credentials in the league.
But the question is what Tatar costs. I decline to give up McCarron, for example, to land him. And cost also signifies cap space. It is not that Tatar is bad contract (2.75 million per with some raise likely next summer) but is there UFA with more skill, size, leadership and playoff pedigree. And while UFA costs far more money, UFA does not subtract assets in an organisation that in reality lacks high quality prospects.
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