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Post by Bob on Jul 4, 2005 21:09:17 GMT -5
If Montreal choses somewhere around the mid-way mark of each round, what kind of strategy should they adopt?
I know we have to wait to see exactly what the draft order will be but my impatience is getting the best of me.
It seems like there is a big drop-off after Sidney Crosby so for the sake of argument, I will say that trading up for Crosby is not one of the options.
The talent pool seems relatively evenly matched after the first 4 or 5 picks and I would be tempted to trade my first round pick for a later pick in the round along with additional picks in the 2nd and 3rd rounds.
Any other ideas?
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Post by Doc Holliday on Jul 4, 2005 21:37:50 GMT -5
...the strategy is always tp pick the BPA. IMO we screwed up in 2003 by going for the long shot with a European that had very limited exposure... Carter, Getzlaf, Jessiman, Parise, Brown even Bernier were all better picks IMO. Kostitsyn could have been an interesting surprise pick from a low tier 20ish picking position but not from #10. I'm not saying this because I think Kots will be a bust but simply because I always felt that particular pick went against the BPA rule. Dunno if it's been posted here but here is Bobby Mac's top 30: www.tsn.ca/nhl/feature.asp?fid=7329As a mid round pick I like is Alex Bourret. Seems like a talented physical player with a lot of fire in his game. A Marty Lapointe in the making. But he could go higher than Bob pegs him to... He'd be high on my list, not top 5 for sure but top 10. |
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Post by seventeen on Jul 5, 2005 1:02:48 GMT -5
...the strategy is always tp pick the BPA. IMO we screwed up in 2003 by going for the long shot with a European that had very limited exposure... Carter, Getzlaf, Jessiman, Parise, Brown even Bernier were all better picks IMO. And here I was thinking we had done exactly what you're suggesting, going for the BPA. Cut him some slack, Doc. Considering the culture and language shock and the emphasis on learning defense, I think he did ok. Heck, I was worried about Lafleur, even into year 3. He looked lost and only occasionally flashed his promise. He turned out ok, and I believe Kostitsyn will be a very good choice in 2 years time. Occasionally, I'm right. PS, you're not serious about Bernier, are you? |
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Post by Habs_fan_in_LA on Jul 5, 2005 3:55:08 GMT -5
...the strategy is always tp pick the BPA. IMO we screwed up in 2003 by going for the long shot with a European that had very limited exposure... Carter, Getzlaf, Jessiman, Parise, Brown even Bernier were all better picks IMO. And here I was thinking we had done exactly what you're suggesting, going for the BPA. Cut him some slack, Doc. Considering the culture and language shock and the emphasis on learning defense, I think he did ok. Heck, I was worried about Lafleur, even into year 3. He looked lost and only occasionally flashed his promise. He turned out ok, and I believe Kostitsyn will be a very good choice in 2 years time. Occasionally, I'm right. PS, you're not serious about Bernier, are you? I was serious about Bernier. He's BIG and can take punishment in front of the net with a bonus of scoring. He will be a power forward in the NHL even if he hasn't shown the improvement we expected. He's soft, physically and mentally and if he toughens up he will be great. If not he will be a merely good third line NHL forward. Kostitsyn has disappointed too with slow development. He shows brilliance on some shifts but overall his scoring doesn't add up to a years production. |
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Post by Douper on Jul 5, 2005 6:39:22 GMT -5
I think if Montreal would have picked Bernier it would just have been years of frustration. He looks great for 1 game then terrible for 3. I think the Kostitsin pick will pay off, so will Perez. These two should make the team next year and it's exciting to see. I think this will open up the oppertunity for a 3rd line of Bullis Bonk Sunny.
Obviously if Montreal doesn't get the first pick then Crosby is out of the question. But I would take a shot of moving up to take either Pouliot or Johnson.
Pouliot looked great in the OHL as a rookie, he's big, great wheels and great hands. And he's a cheaper version LeCavalier and with a "Whole New Game" The habs should turn the corner and get back to the glory.
IF they are stuck in the mid rounds....BPA.
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Post by TheHabsfan on Jul 5, 2005 7:33:19 GMT -5
If Montreal choses somewhere around the mid-way mark of each round, what kind of strategy should they adopt? I know we have to wait to see exactly what the draft order will be but my impatience is getting the best of me. It seems like there is a big drop-off after Sidney Crosby so for the sake of argument, I will say that trading up for Crosby is not one of the options. The talent pool seems relatively evenly matched after the first 4 or 5 picks and I would be tempted to trade my first round pick for a later pick in the round along with additional picks in the 2nd and 3rd rounds. Any other ideas? BPA is always the best policy as pretty much everyone has already stated. As for trading up for Crosby not being an option, I disagree. Anything is possible, especially if we get to pick in the top 10. Also, yesterday in Montreal, at a small press conference with Bob Gainey and PEI's Lorrie Kane, Lorrie asked Bob to do something to get Sidney. Gainey replied: " I have an idea!" If this is any indication, Gainey will make a pitch for Sidney. That's good news. THF |
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Post by Ryan on Jul 5, 2005 8:21:24 GMT -5
Definitely have to go with the BPA at this point. If I had my preference it would be a defenceman since that's where we're weakest IMO. Although if we got first overall I'd be tempted to take Crosby...we could always turn him into a defenceman.
Based on TSN's rankings, If we were drafting from 2-10 I would like Johnson, Pouliot or Brule in that order.
From 11-20 I would take Bourret, Bourdon or McArdle.
From 21-30 my choices would be Latendresse, Jackson, and possibly Lashoff.
I'm not a big fan of "wild card" first rounders. I would much rather a known commodity in the first round (Higgins, Chipchura) and if you want to take a flyer on a high-ceiling player in the 3rd of 4th round go right ahead.
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Post by Carv on Jul 5, 2005 8:42:33 GMT -5
There is always a chance (although remote) that the unsigned draftees from 2003? go back into this years draft or become unrestricted. That would make things very interesting.
I have also heard speculation that the team with the 30th pick in the first round will pick first in the second round. Up and down the ladder like a fantasy hockey draft. This would also be very interesting.
Depending on what the CBA brings, I have heard that we may only have 7-8 guys under contract. Do we know who these players would be? Where can we see contract statuses?
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Post by M. Beaux-Eaux on Jul 5, 2005 9:00:24 GMT -5
Depending on what the CBA brings, I have heard that we may only have 7-8 guys under contract. Do we know who these players would be? Where can we see contract statuses? Something I posted in another thread: [/td][tr][td] Theodore[/td][td]RFA[/td][/tr][tr][td] Huet[/td][td]600,000[/td][/tr][td][/td][tr][td] Brisebois[/td][td]4,500,000^[/td][/tr][tr][td] Souray[/td][td]2,800,000[/td][td]3,100,000[/td][/tr][tr][td] Rivet[/td][td]3,000,000[/td][td]3,500,000[/td][td]UFA[/td][/tr][tr][td] Markov[/td][td]RFA[/td][/tr][tr][td] Komisarek[/td][td]RFA[/td][/tr][tr][td] Hainsey[/td][td]750,000[/td][/tr][tr][td] Bouillon[/td][td]RFA[/td][/tr][td][/td][tr][td] Koivu[/td][td]RFA[/td][/tr][tr][td] Bonk[/td][td]3,150,000[/td][td]3,150,000[/td][td]3,150,000[/td][/tr][tr][td] Ribeiro[/td][td]RFA[/td][/tr][tr][td] Bulis[/td][td]RFA[/td][/tr][tr][td] Higgins[/td][td]1,130,000[/td][/tr][tr][td] Begin[/td][td]800,000[/td][td]850,000^[/td][td][/td][/tr][tr][td] Zednik[/td][td]2,400,000[/td][td]2,600,000[/td][td]UFA[/td][/tr][tr][td] Sundstrom[/td][td]1,300,000[/td][/tr][tr][td] Ryder[/td][td]RFA[/td][td][/td][/tr][tr][td] Perezhogin[/td][td]1,130,000[/td][/tr][tr][td] Ward[/td][td]800,000[/td][td]RFA[/td][/tr][tr][td] Hossa[/td][td]RFA[/td][/tr][td][/td][tr][td] Dagenais[/td][td]RFA[/td][/tr][td][/td][tr][td] Plekanec[/td][td]RFA[/td][td][/td][td][/td][/tr][tr][td] [/td][td][/td][td][/td][td][/td][/tr][tr][td] [/td][td][/td][td][/td][td][/td][td][/td][td]^ club option [/td][/tr][/table] Brisebois has a team option for a $1M million buyout for the 2005-06 season. |
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Post by Habit on Jul 5, 2005 10:08:08 GMT -5
If Montreal choses somewhere around the mid-way mark of each round, what kind of strategy should they adopt? I know we have to wait to see exactly what the draft order will be but my impatience is getting the best of me. It seems like there is a big drop-off after Sidney Crosby so for the sake of argument, I will say that trading up for Crosby is not one of the options. The talent pool seems relatively evenly matched after the first 4 or 5 picks and I would be tempted to trade my first round pick for a later pick in the round along with additional picks in the 2nd and 3rd rounds. Any other ideas? Also, yesterday in Montreal, at a small press conference with Bob Gainey and PEI's Lorrie Kane, Lorrie asked Bob to do something to get Sidney. Gainey replied: " I have an idea!" If this is any indication, Gainey will make a pitch for Sidney. That's good news. THF Sorry THF, that wasn't what she said. She said that she hopes there is a season next year so she could get her hockey fix before she goes to Asia, and hopes there is a draft in Aug and said "to give Sidney Crosby a Home". That is when Bob said "I have an idea". Totally wrong context. |
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Post by Doc Holliday on Jul 5, 2005 11:29:20 GMT -5
...the strategy is always tp pick the BPA. IMO we screwed up in 2003 by going for the long shot with a European that had very limited exposure... Carter, Getzlaf, Jessiman, Parise, Brown even Bernier were all better picks IMO. And here I was thinking we had done exactly what you're suggesting, going for the BPA. Cut him some slack, Doc. Considering the culture and language shock and the emphasis on learning defense, I think he did ok. Heck, I was worried about Lafleur, even into year 3. He looked lost and only occasionally flashed his promise. He turned out ok, and I believe Kostitsyn will be a very good choice in 2 years time. Occasionally, I'm right. PS, you're not serious about Bernier, are you? ...Don't get me wrong I think Kots is a nice prospect but to justify picking him so high HABS advertised him as NHL ready and from what I saw he is still a work in progress. |
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Post by mic on Jul 5, 2005 11:30:45 GMT -5
Why does Hainsey have a smaller contract than Perezoghin ? They both have the maximum for rookies contract, don't they ?
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Post by M. Beaux-Eaux on Jul 5, 2005 11:57:26 GMT -5
Why does Hainsey have a smaller contract than Perezoghin ? They both have the maximum for rookies contract, don't they ? Because he's worthless, er, worth less.  Actually, Hainsey is on his second contract and was negotiated down on it from his first contract by Gainey. Perezhogin is still on his first contract (being a European player not playing in North America he wasn't under the same deadline to be signed as Hainsey was). |
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Post by Habs_fan_in_LA on Jul 5, 2005 12:11:09 GMT -5
Draft Strategy:
If pick = 1, choose Crosby.
If pick > 1, cry,
a) try to trade up to 1
b) trade down, maybe try Kopitar.
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Post by mic on Jul 5, 2005 13:03:22 GMT -5
Why does Hainsey have a smaller contract than Perezoghin ? They both have the maximum for rookies contract, don't they ? Because he's worthless, er, worth less. Actually, Hainsey is on his second contract and was negotiated down on it from his first contract by Gainey. Perezhogin is still on his first contract (being a European player not playing in North America he wasn't under the same deadline to be signed as Hainsey was). Aleady on his second contract ? How times goes fast. |
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Post by M. Beaux-Eaux on Jul 5, 2005 13:38:18 GMT -5
Because he's worthless, er, worth less. Actually, Hainsey is on his second contract and was negotiated down on it from his first contract by Gainey. Perezhogin is still on his first contract (being a European player not playing in North America he wasn't under the same deadline to be signed as Hainsey was). Aleady on his second contract ? How times goes fast. Let's hope Hainsey feels the urgency. |
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Post by Habs_fan_in_LA on Jul 23, 2005 11:17:54 GMT -5
It's been a while, but are there any outstanding deals such as an old trade that gives another team the option of the first draft pick in 2005?
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Post by duster on Jul 23, 2005 13:39:29 GMT -5
Since they're doesn't seem to be clear concensus for picks 3 to 10. Would it worth the Habs while to trade down a few positions and perhaps still get Kopitar or Brule? I have no doubt Timmins and co have scouted this draft more than any other so what any player in the top 10 has been carefully evaluated.
It's been stated that Bob Clarke is interested in Ryan. Perhaps BG could pry away Jeff Carter and Philly's pick? Unlikely perhaps...
For once, the team is in a position of strength. Why not maximize it?
Just a thought.
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Post by Habs_fan_in_LA on Jul 23, 2005 15:12:26 GMT -5
Since they're doesn't seem to be clear concensus for picks 3 to 10. Would it worth the Habs while to trade down a few positions and perhaps still get Kopitar or Brule? I have no doubt Timmins and co have scouted this draft more than any other so what any player in the top 10 has been carefully evaluated. It's been stated that Bob Clarke is interested in Ryan. Perhaps BG could pry away Jeff Carter and Philly's pick? Unlikely perhaps... For once, the team is in a position of strength. Why not maximize it? Just a thought. I think that draft picks this year are worth much more than in previous seasons. This year you can pick up some very good free agents at bargain prices. Lots of bought out vets are available. Top picks add very little to the payroll compared to verterans who are looking for green and hurt teams near the cap. |
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Post by M. Beaux-Eaux on Jul 23, 2005 21:11:01 GMT -5
Top 10 NA skaters according to Central Scouting Service's final rankings:
1 CROSBY, SIDNEY
2 POULIOT, BENOIT
3 RYAN, BOBBY
4 JOHNSON, JACK
5 BRULE, GILBERT
6 BOURDON, LUC
7 MCARDLE, KENNDAL
8 PARENT, RYAN
9 STAAL, MARC
10 SETOGUCHI, DEVIN
Their top 10 international skaters:
1 KOPITAR ANZE
2 HANZAL MARTIN
3 VOJTA JAKUB
4 ISTOMIN DENIS
5 BERGFORS NICKLAS
6 BURAVCHIKOV VJATESLAV
7 ZUBOV ILJA
8 KALUS PETR
9 KRYSANOV ANTON
10 ZUBAREV ANDREI
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Post by Habs_fan_in_LA on Jul 26, 2005 11:39:09 GMT -5
Depending on what the CBA brings, I have heard that we may only have 7-8 guys under contract. Do we know who these players would be? Where can we see contract statuses? Something I posted in another thread: [/td][tr][td] Theodore[/td][td]RFA[/td][/tr][tr][td] Huet[/td][td]600,000[/td][/tr][td][/td][tr][td] Brisebois[/td][td]4,500,000^[/td][/tr][tr][td] Souray[/td][td]2,800,000[/td][td]3,100,000[/td][/tr][tr][td] Rivet[/td][td]3,000,000[/td][td]3,500,000[/td][td]UFA[/td][/tr][tr][td] Markov[/td][td]RFA[/td][/tr][tr][td] Komisarek[/td][td]RFA[/td][/tr][tr][td] Hainsey[/td][td]750,000[/td][/tr][tr][td] Bouillon[/td][td]RFA[/td][/tr][td][/td][tr][td] Koivu[/td][td]RFA[/td][/tr][tr][td] Bonk[/td][td]3,150,000[/td][td]3,150,000[/td][td]3,150,000[/td][/tr][tr][td] Ribeiro[/td][td]RFA[/td][/tr][tr][td] Bulis[/td][td]RFA[/td][/tr][tr][td] Higgins[/td][td]1,130,000[/td][/tr][tr][td] Begin[/td][td]800,000[/td][td]850,000^[/td][td][/td][/tr][tr][td] Zednik[/td][td]2,400,000[/td][td]2,600,000[/td][td]UFA[/td][/tr][tr][td] Sundstrom[/td][td]1,300,000[/td][/tr][tr][td] Ryder[/td][td]RFA[/td][td][/td][/tr][tr][td] Perezhogin[/td][td]1,130,000[/td][/tr][tr][td] Ward[/td][td]800,000[/td][td]RFA[/td][/tr][tr][td] Hossa[/td][td]RFA[/td][/tr][td][/td][tr][td] Dagenais[/td][td]RFA[/td][/tr][td][/td][tr][td] Plekanec[/td][td]RFA[/td][td][/td][td][/td][/tr][tr][td] [/td][td][/td][td][/td][td][/td][/tr][tr][td] [/td][td][/td][td][/td][td][/td][td][/td][td]^ club option [/td][/tr][/table] Brisebois has a team option for a $1M million buyout for the 2005-06 season.[/quote] Great stats. Looking carefully, it's surprising to see that we have more money committed to Bonk than to anybody else. He's big and we're small, but he's not that good, not in the new CBA. |
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Post by M. Beaux-Eaux on Jul 27, 2005 5:00:11 GMT -5
New international rules alter NHL Draft's European landscapeWednesday, July 27, 2005 By Chuck Finder, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette The new deals of hockey -- the NHL's Collective Bargaining Agreement with its players and its transfer arrangement with the International Ice Hockey Federation -- bring back an old, chilly feel to the entry draft. First revenue sharing and salary caps, now a return to the selective days of Communism and icy curtains. From the 1970s through the early 1990s, until soon after the time a Kladno kid named Jaromir Jagr slipped beyond the Red grip of then-Czechoslovakia and stole away to the Penguins, NHL teams used rare, mostly later-round picks to place their dibs on Eastern European and Russian prospects. Now the new deals severely squeeze the window in which a team can hold a players' rights, and they might just close that window on a pile of prospects in the Eastern Hemisphere. - www.post-gazette.com/pg/05208/544327.stm
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Post by Bob on Jul 27, 2005 9:37:11 GMT -5
Mr. B
I thought Bonk signed a 3 year contract in 2004, which means he would only have two years left. At that rate, his contract would be set to expire at about the same time Chipchura could be ready for the NHL.
But I might be out by a year.
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Post by Bob on Jul 27, 2005 9:40:32 GMT -5
I think Gainey is happy with the #5 pick. He wouldn't be ready to dismantle his team to move up spots in this draft.
It is true that Johnson could become a valuable addition to our blueline corps but anyone who thinks he would contribute in a big way next year is probably dreaming.
My money would be on Kopitar who could play a couple of more years in Europe (or a year in Europe and a couple of years in Hamilton). By that time, Koivu would be getting closer to retirement and we could have an offensive center ready to step into his shoes.
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Post by M. Beaux-Eaux on Jul 27, 2005 11:33:18 GMT -5
Mr. B I thought Bonk signed a 3 year contract in 2004, which means he would only have two years left. At that rate, his contract would be set to expire at about the same time Chipchura could be ready for the NHL. But I might be out by a year. You're right. Go here for a corrected and updated version of the Habs contract table. |
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Post by PTH on Jul 27, 2005 16:16:59 GMT -5
Since they're doesn't seem to be clear concensus for picks 3 to 10. ..... For once, the team is in a position of strength. Why not maximize it? . Well, if a draft seems fairly even, there's little incentive to trade up, so really, we wouldn't have much to gain in trading down. If the players seem very close, I'd forget about trades and focus on just taking whoever our scouting staff is most sold on. |
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Post by Bob on Jul 28, 2005 17:56:35 GMT -5
If Columbus really, really wanted Anze Kopitar and he was still available when it came time for the Habs to pick, what would you want in return?
Would the #6 pick and the #55 pick be about right?
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Post by Habs_fan_in_LA on Jul 28, 2005 21:55:56 GMT -5
Since they're doesn't seem to be clear concensus for picks 3 to 10. ..... For once, the team is in a position of strength. Why not maximize it? . Well, if a draft seems fairly even, there's little incentive to trade up, so really, we wouldn't have much to gain in trading down. If the players seem very close, I'd forget about trades and focus on just taking whoever our scouting staff is most sold on. I agree. Trading up or trading down makes little sense. I see a clear #1 and no consensus from 2 to 6. From #7 on there seems to be a dropoff. My ranking is: 1. Crosby AAA once in 10 years 2. Kopitar AA higher upside potential than 3 - 6 but will he realize it? 3. Johnson AA friend of Crosby, good skater, some offense 4. Skille AA played great for the US in the Jr. tournament 5. Ryan AA power forwards are like hens teeth 6. Brule AA plays with skill Bourret, Staal, Pouilliot, Bergfors??.....not bad players, but a notch below the ones above If my pick was in the seven to ten range I'd offer more than Traverse to move up and expect more to drop down from 5. |
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Post by Yeti on Jul 28, 2005 22:25:23 GMT -5
If the Habs are interested, they could draft...
Siarhei Kostitsyn – Left Wing ISS: 113 – THN: 100 – CSS: 18E – RLR & McK: Not Available. 2004/2005 Team: Gomel (Belarus). Height: 5-11. Weight: 180. 2004/2005 Stats: 30 games-4 goals-9 assists-13 points-N/A PIM. If Siarhei’s surname sounds familiar, it should. He is the brother of Montreal Canadiens 2003 first round draft pick Andrei Kostitsyn. Andrei was a player the Rangers were giving long looks to according to the Draft special that appeared on the MSG network. THN says, “He has the same skill level as his brother Andrei, but it’s in a smaller package. He played in the top league in Belarus and wasn’t out of place. He would benefit in an opened-up NHL.” Siarhei also appeared in 6 games with the Belarus WJC team. He was drafted by London in the OHL’s 2005 Import Draft.
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Post by roke on Jul 28, 2005 23:49:19 GMT -5
If the Habs are interested, they could draft... Siarhei Kostitsyn – Left Wing ISS: 113 – THN: 100 – CSS: 18E – RLR & McK: Not Available. 2004/2005 Team: Gomel (Belarus). Height: 5-11. Weight: 180. 2004/2005 Stats: 30 games-4 goals-9 assists-13 points-N/A PIM. If Siarhei’s surname sounds familiar, it should. He is the brother of Montreal Canadiens 2003 first round draft pick Andrei Kostitsyn. Andrei was a player the Rangers were giving long looks to according to the Draft special that appeared on the MSG network. THN says, “He has the same skill level as his brother Andrei, but it’s in a smaller package. He played in the top league in Belarus and wasn’t out of place. He would benefit in an opened-up NHL.” Siarhei also appeared in 6 games with the Belarus WJC team. He was drafted by London in the OHL’s 2005 Import Draft. If he's available at 116 (I think the Habs pick at 116) I definitely wouldn't mind seeing the Habs draft him but I believe 65 would be too early. |
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