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Post by blny on Aug 16, 2016 15:10:11 GMT -5
Perhaps one of the most talked about UFAs-to-be, college player Jimmy Vesey is a UFA as of today.
He played his college hockey at Harvard, was drafted by Nashville in 2012 (2nd round), and prior to the draft in June Buffalo acquired his rights from the Preds hoping they could sign him.
He's a talented player on paper, but I know little about him. He's a Boston kid and his father has worked for the Leafs. Those two clubs appear to be the front runners. Apparently the Hawks made an offer at midnight this morning. Teams are clamoring to try and sign him. Four years since he was drafted, a contract hold out, 23 years old; it's got bust written all over it imo.
I've never understood why these players didn't have to reenter the draft just like junior players. I think he should have had to go back through the draft in June. If you can't come to an agreement with the next team, you've just burned another two years. Why he passed on Nashville, I can't figure. Great market, two very talented young centers, a strong defense, very good veteran goalie; it's a great spot to slot into. Neal can play either wing, Wilson is a C/LW, and after that you're looking at Arvidsson and Watson on the left side. Vesey would likely slide right into a second line role. It's about as good a situation as he could hope for. And, it's further to why I don't think he should get to auction himself off. He's done nothing to earn that right.
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Post by seventeen on Aug 16, 2016 15:52:05 GMT -5
The attention he's getting for going this route carries the risk never meeting expectations. Some college UFA's have done well (Adam Oates), others have faded into obscurity. I agree, blny, Nashville was a good spot for him. Greed I guess.
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Post by blny on Aug 16, 2016 16:02:34 GMT -5
The attention he's getting for going this route carries the risk never meeting expectations. Some college UFA's have done well (Adam Oates), others have faded into obscurity. I agree, blny, Nashville was a good spot for him. Greed I guess. Maybe Nashville wanted to go 2 years on his elc, but he'd have been unlikely to get anymore cash. Despite being a 'ufa', I think he's still restricted to ELC-type contracts. That means 950k and anywhere from $2.5-3.5 million in bonuses regardless of the team. I think it's more about control over the market he ends up playing in. I just see it all blowing up in the pending teams face. |
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Post by Habs_fan_in_LA on Aug 16, 2016 16:28:39 GMT -5
The attention he's getting for going this route carries the risk never meeting expectations. Some college UFA's have done well (Adam Oates), others have faded into obscurity. I agree, blny, Nashville was a good spot for him. Greed I guess. Both agree and disagree. I agree that he is unproven in the pro ranks playing against men and his stats are beefed up playing against much younger kids. It's like getting a free pick around 20 - 30 in the first round. His last year showed declining production. I don't call him greedy. How many of us would reject a job offer with more $, better location, LOWER TAXES, better environment. Since its an ELC the difference isn't huge but the fit is important. If I was GM I would pursue him but not beg. We don't have a shortage of third and fourth line tryouts. |
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Post by seventeen on Aug 17, 2016 0:40:56 GMT -5
The attention he's getting for going this route carries the risk never meeting expectations. Some college UFA's have done well (Adam Oates), others have faded into obscurity. I agree, blny, Nashville was a good spot for him. Greed I guess. Maybe Nashville wanted to go 2 years on his elc, but he'd have been unlikely to get anymore cash. Despite being a 'ufa', I think he's still restricted to ELC-type contracts. That means 950k and anywhere from $2.5-3.5 million in bonuses regardless of the team. I think it's more about control over the market he ends up playing in. I just see it all blowing up in the pending teams face. Wasn't aware he'd be limited to an ELC. Then I have no idea why he wouldn't think Nashville was a good fit. Good GM and coach, good key pieces in place. Duh. |
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Post by franko on Aug 17, 2016 5:57:53 GMT -5
Maybe Nashville wanted to go 2 years on his elc, but he'd have been unlikely to get anymore cash. Despite being a 'ufa', I think he's still restricted to ELC-type contracts. That means 950k and anywhere from $2.5-3.5 million in bonuses regardless of the team. I think it's more about control over the market he ends up playing in. I just see it all blowing up in the pending teams face. Wasn't aware he'd be limited to an ELC. Then I have no idea why he wouldn't think Nashville was a good fit. Good GM and coach, good key pieces in place. Duh. It's not Toronto. |
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Post by folatre on Aug 19, 2016 21:20:38 GMT -5
Vesey picks Rangers. I do not see this guy as a big talent but who knows.
The Bruins fans are probably crying en masse, maybe a few hurt feelings in Toronto too.
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Post by seventeen on Aug 20, 2016 1:04:45 GMT -5
Good. Rangers are on decline.
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Post by Skilly on Aug 21, 2016 8:07:48 GMT -5
Looks like his contract is only two years and the Rangers seem willing to guarantee him a spot in the opening day line-up. They are saying he has to earn it, but Vesey is saying "best opportunity for me to stick in the NHL"
College players. Blah. Best stay away from them, especially the Hobey Baker winners ... (Yes yes , Eichel, Goudreau, Kariya, Drury, Miller .... Now look at the rest ...Duncan, Porter, Gilroy, Geoffrion, Miele, Connolly, Leblanc. Who? Exactly.)
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Aug 22, 2016 9:46:51 GMT -5
ELC's are 3, 2 or 1 year based on the age at which the player signs his first NHL contract. Most NCAA guys who play the full four years get a two year deal.
The Rangers get a free asset. Good for them, better yet that he did not land in hometown Boston or in the penultimate top destination for all free agents, TO (at least in the eyes of all their fans and media).
Some of the more objective assessments I have heard/read peg him as a good complementary player, not a guy that will carry your team, at least not initially. TSN will have to find some new hockey news to chat about for now.
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Post by franko on Aug 22, 2016 10:39:57 GMT -5
TSN will have to find some new hockey news to chat about for now. StamkosVeseywho is next that is desperately wanting to play for TO? Benn, Hedman, Burns are the top 3 UFAs next year . . . probably all 3 will go to the Leafs, no? |
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Post by blny on Aug 22, 2016 11:59:52 GMT -5
TSN will have to find some new hockey news to chat about for now. StamkosVeseywho is next that is desperately wanting to play for TO? Benn, Hedman, Burns are the top 3 UFAs next year . . . probably all 3 will go to the Leafs, no? Tavares watch will start next summer. |
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Post by Tankdriver on Aug 22, 2016 15:15:37 GMT -5
TSN will have to find some new hockey news to chat about for now. StamkosVeseywho is next that is desperately wanting to play for TO? Benn, Hedman, Burns are the top 3 UFAs next year . . . probably all 3 will go to the Leafs, no? Sorry Toronto. Benn and Hedman re-upped in July at big $$$. Prepare for the 2 years of Tavares rumors. |
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Post by franko on Aug 22, 2016 15:26:14 GMT -5
StamkosVeseywho is next that is desperately wanting to play for TO? Benn, Hedman, Burns are the top 3 UFAs next year . . . probably all 3 will go to the Leafs, no? Sorry Toronto. Benn and Hedman re-upped in July at big $$$. Prepare for the 2 years of Tavares rumors. oops. old article, I guess. |
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