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Post by Willie Dog on Nov 27, 2016 22:22:35 GMT -5
Gerard Gallant was let go by Florida... I would welcome him back.
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Post by blny on Nov 27, 2016 22:25:15 GMT -5
He'll land on his feet somewhere. Maybe Vegas ... ?
Quite surprised by this. It's being reported that he and mgt had significant disagreements about direction of club and more. I think the Panthers will regret the move they made today.
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Post by blny on Nov 27, 2016 22:45:14 GMT -5
So, the team, on the road, fires their coach and he has to take a cab from the loading dock at the Canes' arena. Notice the Canes staff helping him load up his luggage.
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Post by blny on Nov 27, 2016 22:49:46 GMT -5
Brian Lawton tweeting that there are non-hockey ops people pulling strings in Florida. Former Panthers Captain Willie Mitchell re-tweeted it, which certainly may lend some credibility to the assertion.
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Post by blny on Nov 28, 2016 8:51:18 GMT -5
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Post by jkr on Nov 28, 2016 9:50:09 GMT -5
Sounds like Panthers management went to the Pierre Gauthier school of human resources.
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Post by blny on Nov 28, 2016 10:04:24 GMT -5
Sounds like Panthers management went to the Pierre Gauthier school of human resources. Was thinking that too. They quite literally kicked him to the curb while on a road trip. It's no wonder there are a bunch of pictures. He had to leave the building through the same area the media does. Imagine, you've just been canned and you're standing there with all your luggage next to the media. That's pleasant. Apparently Joyce and owner Viola know each other from their days in the military. Joyce is NOT a 'hockey guy', aside from playing hockey at military college. These guys and their 'positive friction' are heavy on stats and analytics. Moneyball-itis. Meanwhile, they intend to alienate the establishment. Good luck finding a quality coach to come into that gong show. |
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Post by Polarice on Nov 28, 2016 11:24:32 GMT -5
Well Florida is all about "Money Ball" and wanted Gallant to fall in line. Gallant refused so they fired him....I would have fired his ass too.
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Post by duster on Nov 28, 2016 12:12:40 GMT -5
No foxholes in Florida it would seem especially if the GM thinks he can do a better job than you.
If I'm Bergevin, I'd explore the possibility of re-hiring Gallant to replace Lacroix and Daigneault or even take over the stagnating IceCaps. MT was a much more effective coach with him as an assistant and from what I saw, Gallant did some good work as a coach in Florida. I think he'd work well with Muller. Besides, you can never have too many quality hockey people in an org.
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Post by The Habitual Fan on Nov 28, 2016 12:30:54 GMT -5
If I was Mcfee in Vegas I would hire Gallant as a pro scout now with his focus being on players likely available in the expansion draft and then name him head coach in July
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Post by Tankdriver on Nov 28, 2016 12:35:46 GMT -5
If I was MB I would be on the phone trying to get one of their (Florida) stud players, because it has become obvious that they have no idea what they are doing. First mistake was pushing Dave Tallon out of the GM position and now the firing Gallant.
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Post by seventeen on Nov 28, 2016 13:23:37 GMT -5
Well Florida is all about "Money Ball" and wanted Gallant to fall in line. Gallant refused so they fired him....I would have fired his ass too. Or..... Gudbranson was quite the deterrent and he was one of the new regime's first trades. Rule #1 in coaching....never criticize your boss, especially if they're thin skinned. Much better to help him dig that foxhole. |
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Post by CentreHice on Nov 28, 2016 14:40:16 GMT -5
Intimidation isn't gone from this game. If you have a rep for being pushed around with no answer, you deserve what you get, intimidation-wise. The opposition, if capable, would be foolish to not take that advantage.
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Post by seventeen on Nov 28, 2016 15:19:28 GMT -5
Here's another take, from more of an analytical point of view offering some potential reasons, but not making any judgments. This one makes more sense than the 'criticism of your boss' up above, but its never a good idea to 'suggest' your strategy is based on not having the right tools, even if it is. www.tsn.ca/examining-panthers-numbers-under-gallant-1.618330It also has to be remembered that Huburdeau has missed the whole season and that top line spend a lot of time in the other team's end, and allowed another LW to drop to the 2nd line. Bjugstad has just come back from injury, so Gallant hasn't been playing with a full deck either. The Panthers are only 2 points out of a wild card spot. I have to admit, the reversal in the front office with Tallon being effectively removed from decision making has made for a situation where Gallant was living on borrowed time. He's not an advanced stats type, he's a players coach, so his decisions would be based on factors not all related to stats. The front office has a 180 degree viewpoint from that, so this was a match made in hell. Firing him on the road, though, is total lack of class. |
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Post by blny on Nov 28, 2016 16:04:04 GMT -5
He guided that team to more than 100 points last year and their first playoff appearance in 15 years. They moved out half his defence and he's been missing a huge bunch of his top six. They're a game over 500. This is all about differing views. Owner moved Tallon out of the GM role after Dale gave Gallant the two year extension. The firing by promotion to President route. Then Viola installs his cronies at GM and AGM.
I get having differing views. That happens. You wanna fire the guy that doesn't agree? Fine. Don't literally kick him to the curb. It's as bad as when Cammalleri was pulled from the bench during a game (as was alluded to above).
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Post by Willie Dog on Nov 29, 2016 12:14:56 GMT -5
He guided that team to more than 100 points last year and their first playoff appearance in 15 years. They moved out half his defence and he's been missing a huge bunch of his top six. They're a game over 500. This is all about differing views. Owner moved Tallon out of the GM role after Dale gave Gallant the two year extension. The firing by promotion to President route. Then Viola installs his cronies at GM and AGM. I get having differing views. That happens. You wanna fire the guy that doesn't agree? Fine. Don't literally kick him to the curb. It's as bad as when Cammalleri was pulled from the bench during a game (as was alluded to above). Good analogy... I would take GG back in any capacity... Ice Caps, assistant coach, Associate coach, head coach.. |
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Post by seventeen on Nov 29, 2016 13:10:14 GMT -5
Not to be a devil's advocate, but the one concern I had was Gallant wanting to get bigger and the Panthers' front office wanting to get faster. I don't see why those are mutually exclusive, but if it's a case of one or the other, I'd rather get faster right now.
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Post by blny on Nov 29, 2016 13:41:53 GMT -5
Not to be a devil's advocate, but the one concern I had was Gallant wanting to get bigger and the Panthers' front office wanting to get faster. I don't see why those are mutually exclusive, but if it's a case of one or the other, I'd rather get faster right now. I'm not sure that Yandle and Demers are appreciably faster than the outgoing Gudbranson and Campbell. Willie Mitchell on the other hand might lose a race to Hal Gill. |
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Post by seventeen on Nov 29, 2016 16:50:59 GMT -5
No they're not. You'd think Gudbranson was big and slow, but he is indeed big. Campbell's a great skater. I think they lost a bit of speed with that exchange, but both Yandle and Demers handle the puck better than Gudbranson, but not as well as Campbell. Slight improvement overall, if any, but a toss-up more likely. They definitely lost some toughness. They don't have Kulikov from last year either. Decent player.
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Post by GNick99 on Nov 30, 2016 6:58:40 GMT -5
Kind of odd...he had a good year last season. This year 20 games small time to allow all their changes on D to straight out.
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Post by seventeen on Nov 30, 2016 13:25:04 GMT -5
Kind of odd...he had a good year last season. This year 20 games small time to allow all their changes on D to straight out. We're hearing now that journalists are saying there was 'talk' at the draft that Gallant's days in Florida were numbered. I believe the Panthers owner made his money in the financial world, using algorithms in the market (and probably just got lucky with his timing) so he's a huge proponent of stats and what you read into them. Tallon gets moved out, to make room for the owner's pets so it's clear that Gallant (Tallon's choice) was next. Tallon gave him the extension, probably figuring this was going to happen. Makes me like Tallon even more. |
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Post by blny on Nov 30, 2016 13:29:43 GMT -5
Kind of odd...he had a good year last season. This year 20 games small time to allow all their changes on D to straight out. We're hearing now that journalists are saying there was 'talk' at the draft that Gallant's days in Florida were numbered. I believe the Panthers owner made his money in the financial world, using algorithms in the market (and probably just got lucky with his timing) so he's a huge proponent of stats and what you read into them. Tallon gets moved out, to make room for the owner's pets so it's clear that Gallant (Tallon's choice) was next. Tallon gave him the extension, probably figuring this was going to happen. Makes me like Tallon even more. I'm honestly laughing at comments from guys like Doug MacLean who claim to have heard it at the draft. Funny, you never brought it up as a scoop then Doug ... After Vinnie Viola got out of the military, he made billions in the stock market. He runs his operations like the military. Subordinates are not allowed to question authority. Any back and forth working relationship GG had with Tallon was scrubbed when Viola came in and moved his 'guys' in. |
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