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Post by seventeen on May 5, 2017 0:19:20 GMT -5
Average annual salary of $4.5MM for 2 years. Nevada probably has a better tax structure than Quebec, but it's still disappointing to find out a guy who would have been the top centre on the Habs, would rather play for an expansion team.
Being a GM is so hard.
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Post by blny on May 5, 2017 6:03:05 GMT -5
I wonder if McPhee is about to land Kovalchuk as well, and that move was as big a reason as any.
$4.5 million is a little higher than I was willing to go. For him to get that in Nevada is like getting $6 million in Montreal. Good luck playing the Kings and Ducks 5 times each.
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Post by Gogie on May 5, 2017 7:35:56 GMT -5
Assuming there aren't any no movement clauses in the contract McPhee now has a pretty decent asset to trade come next March (or earlier) if he wants to stock up on draft picks and/or young prospects.
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Post by blny on May 5, 2017 7:47:51 GMT -5
Assuming there aren't any no movement clauses in the contract McPhee now has a pretty decent asset to trade come next March (or earlier) if he wants to stock up on draft picks and/or young prospects. A good point, echoed on hf. If Ship has a good season, but the Knights struggle, he's a player teams will covet. Capfriendly doesn't have full contract details yet. capfriendly.com/players/vadim-shipachyovThere are lots of people trying to connect the dots between recent, and less recent, team mates of Vadim's. Dadonov, Kovalchuk, Radulov; Ship may not be the last. Assuming Dadonov's contract expired at the same time Shipachyov's did, he could be an any day now signing. |
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Post by Tankdriver on May 5, 2017 7:56:49 GMT -5
Man, this really sucks. I was hoping that Mb would of signed him and hopefully match up with Radulov. If we lose Radulov too, we have a non existent offence.
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Post by blny on May 5, 2017 8:12:27 GMT -5
Man, this really sucks. I was hoping that Mb would of signed him and hopefully match up with Radulov. If we lose Radulov too, we have a non existent offence. If Berg doesn't keep Rad and doesn't address need at center he's toast. |
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Post by BadCompany on May 5, 2017 8:37:04 GMT -5
I wonder if McPhee is about to land Kovalchuk as well, and that move was as big a reason as any. $4.5 million is a little higher than I was willing to go. For him to get that in Nevada is like getting $6 million in Montreal. Good luck playing the Kings and Ducks 5 times each. Yeah, $5-6 million for two years is a bit much for a guy who has never played in North America. Plus, the fact that he was willing to sign in Las Vegas tells me everything I need to know about his desire to win the Cup. The last thing we need is another Plekanec. Now granted, you need talent too, but considering that his ability to perform in the NHL is still unknown, and he would be eating up a huge portion of our cap... |
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Post by Skilly on May 5, 2017 8:48:01 GMT -5
He projects to be a 60-70 point NHLer. If so he is worth the 5-6 million 2 year chance. Who says its long term ... The guy is 30 yrs old. If it's 2-3 years at 5.5-6 million I'll be upset, especially if he produces Colour me a tad upset ... This was the easy move to make this season for Bergevin. And he was STILL too conservative. Everything else he now has to do is by his own words, too hard to do, in todays NHL |
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Post by Skilly on May 5, 2017 8:50:15 GMT -5
So when we consider what is available ... it's looking more and more that there is a HIGH possibility that the Habs second line center will be Plekanec at 5.0 million instead of Shipachyov at 5.0 million ... think about that before you say 4.5 million was too high a price.
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Post by CentreHice on May 5, 2017 8:54:27 GMT -5
If Vegas was the choice because of the "Knight" life.....might've been a bad bet from the get-go...
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Post by Tankdriver on May 5, 2017 9:11:27 GMT -5
So when we consider what is available ... it's looking more and more that there is a HIGH possibility that the Habs second line center will be Plekanec at 5.0 million instead of Shipachyov at 5.0 million ... think about that before you say 4.5 million was too high a price. Boy this is getting scarier by the moment. Like you said, our GM finds trades difficult to make, so I was also expecting him to take the easy way out and sign Ship. Guess he is locking Pleks in as a second line center and will revisit that Galchenyuk for Duchesne trade. |
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Post by BadCompany on May 5, 2017 9:14:24 GMT -5
So when we consider what is available ... it's looking more and more that there is a HIGH possibility that the Habs second line center will be Plekanec at 5.0 million instead of Shipachyov at 5.0 million ... think about that before you say 4.5 million was too high a price. I'm not a Plekanec fan, never have been. But... Cynically... he's going into his UFA season next year, and playing for what arguably could be his last NHL contract. Certainly his last chance at a big pay day. He's coming off the worst year of his career. If he flops again, he might be done in North America. If that doesn't motivate him... We might just see Plekanec playing for his career next year. Don't get me wrong, I wouldn't resign him afterwards, no matter how good he does, but it wouldn't surprise me if he plays lights out in order to cash in. |
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Post by NWTHabsFan on May 5, 2017 9:42:22 GMT -5
Saw a report that the Habs are looking at Dadonov. Well, they were looking at Shipachyov too and that did not turn out all that well. The UFA market is so poor that proven KHL scorers are some of the limited possibilities to add some scoring punch to our anemic offence without giving up more than a roster spot and cap space.
Heck, Berg has not re-signed Radulov yet. Imagine our offence without him. I would rather not.
It will be interesting to see how Shipachyov responds to his first year in NA and being tagged as the man for Vegas (at least for now).
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Post by blny on May 5, 2017 10:01:16 GMT -5
So when we consider what is available ... it's looking more and more that there is a HIGH possibility that the Habs second line center will be Plekanec at 5.0 million instead of Shipachyov at 5.0 million ... think about that before you say 4.5 million was too high a price. I don't think $4.5 million was too high, but I believe the signing in Vegas has as much to do with taxes as anything else. He wanted as close to the tax free scenario he had in Russia as he could get. $4.5 million in Las Vegas is $5.6 million in Montreal. Berg is well within his right to balk at that. |
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Post by blny on May 5, 2017 10:09:18 GMT -5
Saw a report that the Habs are looking at Dadonov. Well, they were looking at Shipachyov too and that did not turn out all that well. The UFA market is so poor that proven KHL scorers are some of the limited possibilities to add some scoring punch to our anemic offence without giving up more than a roster spot and cap space. Heck, Berg has not re-signed Radulov yet. Imagine our offence without him. I would rather not. It will be interesting to see how Shipachyov responds to his first year in NA and being tagged as the man for Vegas (at least for now). Some pretty reputable Russian media outlets are reporting that Dadonov is about to sign with Vegas as well. So, it may have been a package deal scenario as well. |
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Post by Willie Dog on May 5, 2017 12:25:55 GMT -5
So when we consider what is available ... it's looking more and more that there is a HIGH possibility that the Habs second line center will be Plekanec at 5.0 million instead of Shipachyov at 5.0 million ... think about that before you say 4.5 million was too high a price. I'm not a Plekanec fan, never have been. But... Cynically... he's going into his UFA season next year, and playing for what arguably could be his last NHL contract. Certainly his last chance at a big pay day. He's coming off the worst year of his career. If he flops again, he might be done in North America. If that doesn't motivate him... We might just see Plekanec playing for his career next year. Don't get me wrong, I wouldn't resign him afterwards, no matter how good he does, but it wouldn't surprise me if he plays lights out in order to cash in. Or Pleky says I don't care I can go play in Europe... I believe his wife is a famous actress/singer in the Czech Republic and she probably lives there with their kids or commutes a lot... |
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Post by NWTHabsFan on May 5, 2017 12:42:47 GMT -5
Saw a report that the Habs are looking at Dadonov. Well, they were looking at Shipachyov too and that did not turn out all that well. The UFA market is so poor that proven KHL scorers are some of the limited possibilities to add some scoring punch to our anemic offence without giving up more than a roster spot and cap space. Heck, Berg has not re-signed Radulov yet. Imagine our offence without him. I would rather not. It will be interesting to see how Shipachyov responds to his first year in NA and being tagged as the man for Vegas (at least for now). Some pretty reputable Russian media outlets are reporting that Dadonov is about to sign with Vegas as well. So, it may have been a package deal scenario as well. Makes sense. Can always hang onto faint hope, as Berg is dishing that out these days. |
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Post by blny on May 5, 2017 13:12:35 GMT -5
Some pretty reputable Russian media outlets are reporting that Dadonov is about to sign with Vegas as well. So, it may have been a package deal scenario as well. Makes sense. Can always hang onto faint hope, as Berg is dishing that out these days. He's a right winger that shoots left, much like Radulov. With the hopeful re-signing of Rads, Gallagher, and Shaw, we don't have room on the right side for him. With that in mind, I never considered him much of an option. If he was a required signing, as part of a package deal, I can see management balking. |
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Post by Skilly on May 5, 2017 13:29:03 GMT -5
So when we consider what is available ... it's looking more and more that there is a HIGH possibility that the Habs second line center will be Plekanec at 5.0 million instead of Shipachyov at 5.0 million ... think about that before you say 4.5 million was too high a price. I don't think $4.5 million was too high, but I believe the signing in Vegas has as much to do with taxes as anything else. He wanted as close to the tax free scenario he had in Russia as he could get. $4.5 million in Las Vegas is $5.6 million in Montreal. Berg is well within his right to balk at that. I wouldn't have balked at it ... It's only 2 years. We will have the room too. |
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Post by The Habitual Fan on May 8, 2017 8:27:42 GMT -5
Vegas has the distinct advantage of having $70 million in cap space to work with. They are able to sign Shipachov and likely Dadonov without any worry of making room for them. Last week I was 90% sure Radulov was only going to resign with the Habs because of his comments he likes Montreal and the team and why take a chance to go elsewhere to somewhere you don't know. However if Vegas were to offer him say 5 yr/7 mil and to be captain that is a lot of incentive to play with guys he already knows. Vegas then take either MA Fleury or Kyle Ward as a starting goalie for a few years plus there will be several good defenseman unprotected.
Suddenly Vegas has 3-4 top 6 forwards, decent defense, a starting goalie and no taxes it all looks pretty nice. If I was MB I would want that contract with Radulov signed before July 1st rolls around.
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