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Post by NWTHabsFan on Oct 30, 2017 16:38:24 GMT -5
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Post by blny on Oct 30, 2017 18:11:02 GMT -5
Tough luck. Hope he finds his game again quick.
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Post by folatre on Oct 30, 2017 18:59:21 GMT -5
What was it? MCL type thing?
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Post by blny on Oct 31, 2017 7:38:42 GMT -5
What was it? MCL type thing? Most likely. |
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Post by GNick99 on Oct 31, 2017 7:46:16 GMT -5
Bad....he was just starting to come into his own. Hope this doesn't slow down his development
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Oct 31, 2017 8:35:16 GMT -5
I remember the year Jason Ward had a really strong camp ... he'd made the team fair and square only to be sidelined with a puck to the face ... came from his own player IIRC ... that was pretty much the end of Ward in Montreal because he never got another sniff at a full-time job after that ... hope Nikita Scherbak heals quickly ... he was playing some good hockey Laval (6 GP, 9 Pts) at the time of his call up (Lu, TSN) ... he was only playing in a 4th-line roll but I'd like to see him get more of a look when he's healthy ...
Cheers.
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Post by GNick99 on Nov 15, 2020 3:37:11 GMT -5
Read an article on Schebak the other day. He now has recanted an early statement he made accusing the Canadiens of mishandling him. He now puts the blame on himself and wants another chance.
Deeply why character is so important in drafting. Skill was there but sounds like he is some kind of a nut!
Was, maybe still is Timmins biggest weakness. Recognizing character. Leblanc didn't like hockey. Galchenyuk lacked work ethic. Tinordi was on steroids. Beaulieu had an attitude. Now Schebak was a nut. Over and over again, similar mistake. These things should have been checked out. His lack of work in this area led to many mistakes.
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Post by folatre on Nov 15, 2020 11:50:37 GMT -5
Most of the guys who went in that #26-50 range in 2014 turned out to lack the qualities to make any footprint in the league.
I was reasonably optimistic at the time because the kid has great hands, pretty good vision, decent wheels, and decent size. And injuries notwithstanding, he did manage to put together two good seasons in the AHL (2016-18).
I do not think that Bergevin actually wanted to lose Scherbak at the time, but the waiver rules are the rules and sometimes you have a young player that you cannot stash in your organization anymore despite the fact he is not quite ready to play in the NHL. Regarding Scherbak, he was too perimeter oriented and unless that type of player is cast in a particular offensive role and utilized on the power play, there was probably never much chance of him working out.
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Post by seventeen on Nov 15, 2020 13:45:22 GMT -5
Most of the guys who went in that #26-50 range in 2014 turned out to lack the qualities to make any footprint in the league. I was reasonably optimistic at the time because the kid has great hands, pretty good vision, decent wheels, and decent size. And injuries notwithstanding, he did manage to put together two good seasons in the AHL (2016-18). I do not think that Bergevin actually wanted to lose Scherbak at the time, but the waiver rules are the rules and sometimes you have a young player that you cannot stash in your organization anymore despite the fact he is not quite ready to play in the NHL. Regarding Scherbak, he was too perimeter oriented and unless that type of player is cast in a particular offensive role and utilized on the power play, there was probably never much chance of him working out. Yes. I could put together a team with more character than you could stomach and they'd never win a Cup, either. Lots of great character players are 4th line, 3rd pairing guys because that's how they stuck around. You need a balance of character and talent. It just costs more to get talent than it does character. |
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Nov 15, 2020 18:44:22 GMT -5
Read an article on Schebak the other day. He now has recanted an early statement he made accusing the Canadiens of mishandling him. He now puts the blame on himself and wants another chance. Deeply why character is so important in drafting. Skill was there but sounds like he is some kind of a nut! Was, maybe still is Timmins biggest weakness. Recognizing character. Leblanc didn't like hockey. Galchenyuk lacked work ethic. Tinordi was on steroids. Beaulieu had an attitude. Now Schebak was a nut. Over and over again, similar mistake. These things should have been checked out. His lack of work in this area led to many mistakes. Any player who 'developed' under Sylvain Lefebvre gets a Mulligan from me ... for instance, I really think Jared Tinordi would have had a better chance at making the NHL, if he'd been reared in a different system ... Nathan Beaulieu had the talent, but he was inconsistent ... IIRC, he was the last of the 'party hounds' to be moved out of Montreal ... other hounds moved out before him were Devante Pelly-Smith, Christian Thomas, Zach Kassien, and Alex Galchenyuk ... but, here's a guy who has had time to think it out, and now regrets his decisions ... it's too bad that Nikita Scherbak didn't show this humility earlier in his career ... easier said than done when you're only 18 years old, I reckon ... here's cut and paste from a TVA column ... “I don't want to hide and blame someone else. I messed up and it doesn't concern anyone other than me. I should have given more ..."That's not Lefebvre's fault ... Cheers. |
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Post by PTH on Nov 15, 2020 21:15:37 GMT -5
... Regarding Scherbak, he was too perimeter oriented and unless that type of player is cast in a particular offensive role and utilized on the power play, there was probably never much chance of him working out. Well, I think he could have reinvented himself as a 2-way player, there are a number of former offensive prospects who became skilled 2-way players; they didn't have the roles or the careers they hoped for, but they had careers. Bulis would be my best Habs example - he could have been more, but didn't, he still found a way to stick around. Zubrus did the same to a lesser extent, we saw him as a top 6 winger, and I think he morphed into a big 3d line center akin to what Eller is now. Eller might be an example as well, though I think his high-end offense was never projected that high to start. Frolik would be a better example - he hasn't scored 20 goals since his second season, yet he sticks around as a 2-way 3d liner with speed. I was hoping Sherbak would be able to change his game and make it in that capacity, once he wasn't going to be the next Pastrnak... |
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Post by PTH on Nov 15, 2020 21:17:30 GMT -5
Most of the guys who went in that #26-50 range in 2014 turned out to lack the qualities to make any footprint in the league. The best pick in that position would probably have been Barbashev, yet another time we didn't look at the Q very hard... |
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Post by folatre on Nov 15, 2020 22:34:52 GMT -5
Bulis is a good example. He was a stud in junior at Sarnia and yet he stayed in the NHL for 5-7 years as a defensively oriented and responsible left wing/centre.
One advantage Bulis had is that he was a superior skater (Scherbak is basically average by NHL standards) and he was a very good penalty killer which added to his overall value for a club as a third liner. Likewise, by all accounts, he was always a coach favorite because he always busted it in the role he was given.
For me Zubrus was always a mystery wrapped in an enigma. The guy was huge and mobile, not bad hands and a good shot too. However, he never managed to produce the way his overall talent suggested he should.
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Post by seventeen on Nov 16, 2020 2:17:29 GMT -5
Read an article on Schebak the other day. He now has recanted an early statement he made accusing the Canadiens of mishandling him. He now puts the blame on himself and wants another chance. Deeply why character is so important in drafting. Skill was there but sounds like he is some kind of a nut! Was, maybe still is Timmins biggest weakness. Recognizing character. Leblanc didn't like hockey. Galchenyuk lacked work ethic. Tinordi was on steroids. Beaulieu had an attitude. Now Schebak was a nut. Over and over again, similar mistake. These things should have been checked out. His lack of work in this area led to many mistakes. Any player who 'developed' under Sylvain Lefebvre gets a Mulligan from me ... for instance, I really think Jared Tinordi would have had a better chance at making the NHL, if he'd been reared in a different system ... Nathan Beaulieu had the talent, but he was inconsistent ... IIRC, he was the last of the 'party hounds' to be moved out of Montreal ... other hounds moved out before him were Devante Pelly-Smith, Christian Thomas, Zach Kassien, and Alex Galchenyuk ... but, here's a guy who has had time to think it out, and now regrets his decisions ... it's too bad that Nikita Scherbak didn't show this humility earlier in his career ... easier said than done when you're only 18 years old, I reckon ... here's cut and paste from a TVA column ... “I don't want to hide and blame someone else. I messed up and it doesn't concern anyone other than me. I should have given more ..."That's not Lefebvre's fault ... Cheers. Does anyone have a list of 'party hounds' who were traded out of Montreal because management couldn't stand them? My guess is you could put together one hell of a line-up of those guys. Chelios comes to mind. I suspect the conservative bent of Montreal's manageaments in the past were a much larger problem than the guys who liked to party too much. Wasn't Doug Harvey another one of those? |
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Post by Andrew on Nov 16, 2020 14:38:31 GMT -5
Does anyone have a list of 'party hounds' who were traded out of Montreal because management couldn't stand them? My guess is you could put together one hell of a line-up of those guys. Chelios comes to mind. I suspect the conservative bent of Montreal's manageaments in the past were a much larger problem than the guys who liked to party too much. Wasn't Doug Harvey another one of those? Ribeiro has to be the poster boy for that team. Center: check; local Quebecois talent: check; Party animal: check - better get rid of him. He went on to put up 640 points in just shy of 800 games elsewhere, while the Habs went on to trade a blue chip D prospect in McDonnagh to fill a void at center when Koivu left. |
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Post by seventeen on Nov 16, 2020 14:58:04 GMT -5
I forgot about Mike and while he had his issues (defensively irresponsible), he still had more value than Janne Niinimaa, who played all of 41 games for the team. It just seems that every time the team gets rid of a player with 'low' character, they end up losing big time. That might be why they're so focused on 'character' players. They won't be forced to trade them.
Not necessarily for partying, but definitely for an "off ice" reason, they traded Carbonneau as well.
Mike Keane was thrown into the Roy deal and I wonder about that one too.
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Post by Skilly on Nov 19, 2020 11:37:54 GMT -5
Any player who 'developed' under Sylvain Lefebvre gets a Mulligan from me ... for instance, I really think Jared Tinordi would have had a better chance at making the NHL, if he'd been reared in a different system ... Nathan Beaulieu had the talent, but he was inconsistent ... IIRC, he was the last of the 'party hounds' to be moved out of Montreal ... other hounds moved out before him were Devante Pelly-Smith, Christian Thomas, Zach Kassien, and Alex Galchenyuk ... but, here's a guy who has had time to think it out, and now regrets his decisions ... it's too bad that Nikita Scherbak didn't show this humility earlier in his career ... easier said than done when you're only 18 years old, I reckon ... here's cut and paste from a TVA column ... “I don't want to hide and blame someone else. I messed up and it doesn't concern anyone other than me. I should have given more ..."That's not Lefebvre's fault ... Cheers. Does anyone have a list of 'party hounds' who were traded out of Montreal because management couldn't stand them? My guess is you could put together one hell of a line-up of those guys. Chelios comes to mind. I suspect the conservative bent of Montreal's manageaments in the past were a much larger problem than the guys who liked to party too much. Wasn't Doug Harvey another one of those? I recall a lot of talk about the Three Amigos, for their off ice partying. I could never figure out who exactly the Three Amigos were, because back in 2004, there were a lot of players like that. But one guy I was high on, the second Amigo, was Pierre Dagenais. In 2003-04, when he started the season at the end of November, he was on a tear. The best line is all of hockey was Dagenais-Ribeiro-Ryder. In Dagenais' first 20 games of the season I seem to remember he was almost at a point a game pace ..like 16 points in 20 games or something close. Then he disappeared. The lock-out hurt his development, and when the players returned he was god-awful. Others on that team accused of off-ice partying/issues ... Theodore (I think he was the Third Amigo). Michael Ryder. And then of course there was the Russian mob/partying exploits of the Kostitsyns ... |
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