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Post by CentreHice on Nov 14, 2017 16:49:44 GMT -5
I swear these Antifa-like groups are being funded by big agitator money. They sure do seem to favour anything but intelligent, logical discourse/debate. More like violence, vandalism, and the dismissal of free-speech....unless it fits their narrative. Sir John A. statue vandalized in Montreal |
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Nov 14, 2017 17:32:52 GMT -5
We'll never move forward if we continually apologize for the past ... SJAM was a racist, but no more/no less racist than anyone else of his time ... I'm 1/4 Mi'Kmaq (grandmother was full-blood) and all I'm seeing is vandalism ... I'm on my way out the door but I'm going to chime in later ... good topic ... if the government eventually agrees with removing anything associated with SJAM, then they won't be able to stop there ...
Cheers.
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Post by blny on Nov 15, 2017 6:55:54 GMT -5
There's work underway in Halifax to remove Cornwallis from every bit of history of the city. He's on a street name, and there's a statute. Mi'kmaq want it taken down and the street renamed. No vandalism at this point as the city seems to be working with the group.
I have mixed feelings about it. He's reported to have done some pretty nasty things to aboriginals he's encountered. I can't speak to things he did in other places, but he was a war-time Admiral in charge of a British city and responsible to the Crown. One of the things he did was scalp Mi'kmaq; a nasty practice he learned about. The Mi'kmaq were allies of the French. The French supplied the Mi'kmaq with munitions and funded raids of Dartmouth. With the French in Louisbourg and Port Royal, and the French periodically sailing down to hurl some cannonballs at the Citadel. He was at war with the French and their allies. The Mi'kmaq were their allies.
I have issues with judging all past behavior through the lens of today. In some cases context is required. As a Canadian, the Residential Schools of the 1900s are far more disturbing to me than what happened in the 1700s during a time of war.
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Nov 15, 2017 8:59:44 GMT -5
There's work underway in Halifax to remove Cornwallis from every bit of history of the city. He's on a street name, and there's a statute. Mi'kmaq want it taken down and the street renamed. No vandalism at this point as the city seems to be working with the group. I have mixed feelings about it. He's reported to have done some pretty nasty things to aboriginals he's encountered. I can't speak to things he did in other places, but he was a war-time Admiral in charge of a British city and responsible to the Crown. One of the things he did was scalp Mi'kmaq; a nasty practice he learned about. The Mi'kmaq were allies of the French. The French supplied the Mi'kmaq with munitions and funded raids of Dartmouth. With the French in Louisbourg and Port Royal, and the French periodically sailing down to hurl some cannonballs at the Citadel. He was at war with the French and their allies. The Mi'kmaq were their allies. I have issues with judging all past behavior through the lens of today. In some cases context is required. As a Canadian, the Residential Schools of the 1900s are far more disturbing to me than what happened in the 1700s during a time of war. I knew there was a lobby to remove anything with Cornwallis' name to it, but I didn't know the Mi'kmaq were that heavily involved ... I'm familiar with their history ... my mother was fully bilingual and my great-grandfather couldn't speak any English at all ... I'm part of the Mi'kmaq Facebook group and it's informative if you want to apply for status ... they also track stories as they pertain to either the tribe or the First Nations in general ... they mention some historical wrongs, but nothing on Cornwallis (maybe I didn't scroll down far enough) ... odd because there's all sorts of info on the web ... that said, I did hear about the Cornwallis issue a few months back ... I think there was one instance where protesters covered up a statue of him ... and, to be honest, I don't know what to make of all this purging that's going on everywhere in the Canada and the US ... I don't know if people are actually trying to make a difference or if they're simply jumping on a bandwagon ... that's a callous opinion, sure, but there are folks out there who use social injustices just to get themselves noticed ... see Glenn Beck ... so, if people are willing to strip SJAM of his legacy, then they can't stop there ... they'll have to research every major player of the time ... do that and I suspect we'll see only the tip of the iceberg ... who knows; maybe we might even see financial compensation somewhere, somehow... Cheers. |
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Post by blny on Nov 15, 2017 9:34:07 GMT -5
There's work underway in Halifax to remove Cornwallis from every bit of history of the city. He's on a street name, and there's a statute. Mi'kmaq want it taken down and the street renamed. No vandalism at this point as the city seems to be working with the group. I have mixed feelings about it. He's reported to have done some pretty nasty things to aboriginals he's encountered. I can't speak to things he did in other places, but he was a war-time Admiral in charge of a British city and responsible to the Crown. One of the things he did was scalp Mi'kmaq; a nasty practice he learned about. The Mi'kmaq were allies of the French. The French supplied the Mi'kmaq with munitions and funded raids of Dartmouth. With the French in Louisbourg and Port Royal, and the French periodically sailing down to hurl some cannonballs at the Citadel. He was at war with the French and their allies. The Mi'kmaq were their allies. I have issues with judging all past behavior through the lens of today. In some cases context is required. As a Canadian, the Residential Schools of the 1900s are far more disturbing to me than what happened in the 1700s during a time of war. I knew there was a lobby to remove anything with Cornwallis' name to it, but I didn't know the Mi'kmaq were that heavily involved ... I'm familiar with their history ... my mother was fully bilingual and my great-grandfather couldn't speak any English at all ... I'm part of the Mi'kmaq Facebook group and it's informative if you want to apply for status ... they also track stories as they pertain to either the tribe or the First Nations in general ... they mention some historical wrongs, but nothing on Cornwallis (maybe I didn't scroll down far enough) ... odd because there's all sorts of info on the web ... that said, I did hear about the Cornwallis issue a few months back ... I think there was one instance where protesters covered up a statue of him ... and, to be honest, I don't know what to make of all this purging that's going on everywhere in the Canada and the US ... I don't know if people are actually trying to make a difference or if they're simply jumping on a bandwagon ... that's a callous opinion, sure, but there are folks out there who use social injustices just to get themselves noticed ... see Glenn Beck ... so, if people are willing to strip SJAM of his legacy, then they can't stop there ... they'll have to research every major player of the time ... do that and I suspect we'll see only the tip of the iceberg ... who knows; maybe we might even see financial compensation somewhere, somehow... Cheers. WRT Cornwallis there definitely a bandwagon element. The Mi'kmaq are heavily involved. |
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Nov 15, 2017 10:51:49 GMT -5
I knew there was a lobby to remove anything with Cornwallis' name to it, but I didn't know the Mi'kmaq were that heavily involved ... I'm familiar with their history ... my mother was fully bilingual and my great-grandfather couldn't speak any English at all ... I'm part of the Mi'kmaq Facebook group and it's informative if you want to apply for status ... they also track stories as they pertain to either the tribe or the First Nations in general ... they mention some historical wrongs, but nothing on Cornwallis (maybe I didn't scroll down far enough) ... odd because there's all sorts of info on the web ... that said, I did hear about the Cornwallis issue a few months back ... I think there was one instance where protesters covered up a statue of him ... and, to be honest, I don't know what to make of all this purging that's going on everywhere in the Canada and the US ... I don't know if people are actually trying to make a difference or if they're simply jumping on a bandwagon ... that's a callous opinion, sure, but there are folks out there who use social injustices just to get themselves noticed ... see Glenn Beck ... so, if people are willing to strip SJAM of his legacy, then they can't stop there ... they'll have to research every major player of the time ... do that and I suspect we'll see only the tip of the iceberg ... who knows; maybe we might even see financial compensation somewhere, somehow... Cheers. WRT Cornwallis there definitely a bandwagon element. The Mi'kmaq are heavily involved. I had to do some research on this, blny ... thanks for the lead ... I found quite a bit that details Mi'kmaq involvement, but it doesn't sway my opinion ... maybe I'd feel different if I lived in a shack on a Nova Scotia reservation, but I don't ... on another front, I wonder if anyone has considered calling Trudeau the Elder to the carpet ... IMO, he's done more to divide the country than most politicians ... this article doesn't cite the NEP or constitution talks, but it does point out Trudeau's alternative motives on immigration (with reference) ... could be Junior feels he's following his dad's lead WRT immigration ... give refugees from the US a bed, new cloths, showers, food and money (just to get started) and make sure they know that it was the Liberal government that did this for them ... and remind them of that come election time ... all that said, I'm not for smearing any and all of Canada's first citizens ... like, don't dig it up if it's buried ... but if you're going to open the box then you have to examine ALL of the contents ... not just ones that benefit you or your association ... and if you don't want to do that, then maybe champion a few current, present-day issues or shut-the-frig-up ... it would be a lot more productive ... Cheers. |
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Post by blny on Nov 15, 2017 21:54:06 GMT -5
WRT Cornwallis there definitely a bandwagon element. The Mi'kmaq are heavily involved. I had to do some research on this, blny ... thanks for the lead ... I found quite a bit that details Mi'kmaq involvement, but it doesn't sway my opinion ... maybe I'd feel different if I lived in a shack on a Nova Scotia reservation, but I don't ... on another front, I wonder if anyone has considered calling Trudeau the Elder to the carpet ... IMO, he's done more to divide the country than most politicians ... this article doesn't cite the NEP or constitution talks, but it does point out Trudeau's alternative motives on immigration (with reference) ... could be Junior feels he's following his dad's lead WRT immigration ... give refugees from the US a bed, new cloths, showers, food and money (just to get started) and make sure they know that it was the Liberal government that did this for them ... and remind them of that come election time ... all that said, I'm not for smearing any and all of Canada's first citizens ... like, don't dig it up if it's buried ... but if you're going to open the box then you have to examine ALL of the contents ... not just ones that benefit you or your association ... and if you don't want to do that, then maybe champion a few current, present-day issues or shut-the-frig-up ... it would be a lot more productive ... Cheers. Well said.  |
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Post by Cranky on Nov 17, 2017 7:40:00 GMT -5
There's work underway in Halifax to remove Cornwallis from every bit of history of the city. He's on a street name, and there's a statute. Mi'kmaq want it taken down and the street renamed. No vandalism at this point as the city seems to be working with the group. I have mixed feelings about it. He's reported to have done some pretty nasty things to aboriginals he's encountered. I can't speak to things he did in other places, but he was a war-time Admiral in charge of a British city and responsible to the Crown. One of the things he did was scalp Mi'kmaq; a nasty practice he learned about. The Mi'kmaq were allies of the French. The French supplied the Mi'kmaq with munitions and funded raids of Dartmouth. With the French in Louisbourg and Port Royal, and the French periodically sailing down to hurl some cannonballs at the Citadel. He was at war with the French and their allies. The Mi'kmaq were their allies. I have issues with judging all past behavior through the lens of today. In some cases context is required. As a Canadian, the Residential Schools of the 1900s are far more disturbing to me than what happened in the 1700s during a time of war. There seems to be a whole lot of online justice warrior wagon jumpers and virtue signalers. Let's face it, in a world where it's wired 24/7, a few words on facebook and twitter wins many new friends.....and that tribal instinct kicks in. The sad and stupid part is that if there is outrage to be found everywhere then the true serious issues will be swept along in the noise. What's that saying? If everybody is special then nobody is special? Just for the record, I'm pretty sure that somewhere along the line in the last 2800 years, my family owned slaves....and hung some invaders...and invaded some tribes....raped some woman....maybe did sad things to farm animals...and where slaves...and where raped....and are taken advantage in many ways. So where is the line drawn in the here and now and who we are in 2017? |
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Post by Cranky on Nov 17, 2017 7:46:38 GMT -5
I had to do some research on this, blny ... thanks for the lead ... I found quite a bit that details Mi'kmaq involvement, but it doesn't sway my opinion ... maybe I'd feel different if I lived in a shack on a Nova Scotia reservation, but I don't ... on another front, I wonder if anyone has considered calling Trudeau the Elder to the carpet ... IMO, he's done more to divide the country than most politicians ... this article doesn't cite the NEP or constitution talks, but it does point out Trudeau's alternative motives on immigration (with reference) ... could be Junior feels he's following his dad's lead WRT immigration ... give refugees from the US a bed, new cloths, showers, food and money (just to get started) and make sure they know that it was the Liberal government that did this for them ... and remind them of that come election time ... all that said, I'm not for smearing any and all of Canada's first citizens ... like, don't dig it up if it's buried ... but if you're going to open the box then you have to examine ALL of the contents ... not just ones that benefit you or your association ... and if you don't want to do that, then maybe champion a few current, present-day issues or shut-the-frig-up ... it would be a lot more productive ... Cheers. Obviously you don't wear the right kind of soxs.... |
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