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Post by blny on Jun 22, 2018 18:06:45 GMT -5
Post them up ...
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Post by blny on Jun 22, 2018 18:07:19 GMT -5
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Post by blny on Jun 22, 2018 18:08:18 GMT -5
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Post by folatre on Jun 22, 2018 18:18:35 GMT -5
Low goalie value strikes again. People were speculating all this month that the Islanders would give up #12 for Grubauer to solve their problem in net.
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Post by blny on Jun 22, 2018 18:28:52 GMT -5
Low goalie value strikes again. People were speculating all this month that the Islanders would give up #12 for Grubauer to solve their problem in net. As mentioned on Sportsnet's coverage, I think the reason it's #47 is because they also took Orpik. Orpik's contract decreased the overall value. If they only took Grubauer, they knew the competition to acquire was greater.
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Post by PTH on Jun 23, 2018 13:22:10 GMT -5
Low goalie value strikes again. People were speculating all this month that the Islanders would give up #12 for Grubauer to solve their problem in net. As mentioned on Sportsnet's coverage, I think the reason it's #47 is because they also took Orpik. Orpik's contract decreased the overall value. If they only took Grubauer, they knew the competition to acquire was greater. If it frees up enough cap room for them to keep Carlson, it can be an immediate win-win type of deal, where both team benefit.
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Post by blny on Jun 23, 2018 13:24:14 GMT -5
Flames have send Hamilton, Ferland and Fox to Carolina for Hanifin and Lindholm
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Jun 23, 2018 13:45:28 GMT -5
... Francois Gagnon bought into the hype and tweeted that Montreal ... ... had cut a deal with San Jose for Max Pacioretty ...
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Post by jkr on Jun 23, 2018 13:50:21 GMT -5
Does Gagnon ever deal in fact. He's so anxious to break a story that he will announce a non deal.
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Post by PTH on Jun 23, 2018 13:58:45 GMT -5
Does Gagnon ever deal in fact. He's so anxious to break a story that he will announce a non deal. Don't blame him, he was relaying news from others, he had no pretence of breaking the story
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Post by jkr on Jun 23, 2018 14:06:11 GMT -5
Does Gagnon ever deal in fact. He's so anxious to break a story that he will announce a non deal. Don't blame him, he was relaying news from others, he had no pretence of breaking the story Still, I think some fact checking would have been a good idea. That's a big story & he should be sure.
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Post by PTH on Jun 23, 2018 14:11:35 GMT -5
Don't blame him, he was relaying news from others, he had no pretence of breaking the story Still, I think some fact checking would have been a good idea. That's a big story & he should be sure. I'd look at who threw that out there initially - I think it was Renaud Lavoie, who I know I can't stand, but should check up on things before tweeting, because as a reporter he's supposed to have a clue.
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Post by jkr on Jun 23, 2018 14:15:03 GMT -5
So was Gagnon trusting Lavoie because he knows him?
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Post by PTH on Jun 23, 2018 14:18:59 GMT -5
So was Gagnon trusting Lavoie because he knows him? You want to blame Gagnon, go ahead, even though he was relaying something that appeared to be imminent. Apparently the original source is a SJ reporter Stephen Whyno. Instant news means some miscues. I can live with it.
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Post by blny on Jun 23, 2018 14:21:42 GMT -5
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Post by folatre on Jun 23, 2018 14:49:08 GMT -5
Ferland is basically irelevant since he is maybe a slightly above average NHL winger who will be an UFA next summer. Hamilton is a very good d-man but he is known as a malcontent. Fox looks like a nice player but he is 20-21 years old so it is probably safe to conclude he is nothing close to an elite NHL talent.
Carolina is saving a few dollars and receiving somewhat older players so maybe those factors are attractive. Calgary is receiving players with more unrealized potential.
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Post by jkr on Jun 23, 2018 15:08:50 GMT -5
So was Gagnon trusting Lavoie because he knows him? You want to blame Gagnon, go ahead, even though he was relaying something that appeared to be imminent. Apparently the original source is a SJ reporter Stephen Whyno. Instant news means some miscues. I can live with it. I was simply asking a question there, not laying blame. You have misinterpreted my statement.
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Post by blny on Jun 23, 2018 15:09:26 GMT -5
Ferland is basically irelevant since he is maybe a slightly above average NHL winger who will be an UFA next summer. Hamilton is a very good d-man but he is known as a malcontent. Fox looks like a nice player but he is 20-21 years old so it is probably safe to conclude he is nothing close to an elite NHL talent. Carolina is saving a few dollars and receiving somewhat older players so maybe those factors are attractive. Calgary is receiving players with more unrealized potential. Lindholm > Ferland Hamilton > Hanifin (for now anyway) Fox is unsigned, and it didn't look like he was going to sign. Those that know him say he's a very solid prospect. HF is pretty much split. Some think the Flames got bent over. Some thing the Canes lost the deal.
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Post by PTH on Jun 23, 2018 15:20:02 GMT -5
You want to blame Gagnon, go ahead, even though he was relaying something that appeared to be imminent. Apparently the original source is a SJ reporter Stephen Whyno. Instant news means some miscues. I can live with it. I was simply asking a question there, not laying blame. You have misinterpreted my statement. I just felt like you were going to blame Gagnon for trusting Lavoie, in the end it was a SJ source who started it all. And while I dislike Lavoie, he's not usually throwing silly ideas around. (I just feel like he's very, very lighweight who doesn't understand most of what he's covering)
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Post by blny on Jun 23, 2018 16:28:55 GMT -5
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Post by Tankdriver on Jun 23, 2018 20:54:23 GMT -5
Man did Carolina get hosed....why couldn't we do something like that
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Jun 23, 2018 21:25:23 GMT -5
Well, the moved both Elias Lindholm and Noah Hanifan ... I'm surprised that we didn't have the horses to move the other way ... the early winner in this one is Calgary ... Cheers.
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Jun 23, 2018 21:47:11 GMT -5
Calgary getting better for sure. They were unsure Fox would sign with them, so they cut bait. Hamilton moves again. Hmmm.
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Post by folatre on Jun 24, 2018 9:38:23 GMT -5
Well, the moved both Elias Lindholm and Noah Hanifan ... I'm surprised that we didn't have the horses to move the other way ... the early winner in this one is Calgary ... Cheers. That is my reaction too, on both counts. Carolina may be a little more win now ready and Dundon may be saving some money by not dealing with Hanifin and Lindhom, but I think Calgary is upgrading their roster from a talent perspective. To look at what Dundon and Waddell received for Hanifin and Lindholm, it does make me say why the heck did Bergevin not jump in there. Maybe the pro hockey brain trust (Bergevin, Mellanby, Crawford) do not like Lindholm much. Or perhaps Bergevin would not put a veteran in play who could help Carolina push for the playoffs now while appealing to cost conscious Carolina. Interestingly, in real dollars, Hamilton makes the same cash annually as Weber. Bergevin could have offered Weber and Byron, and thrown in some unproven NCAA prospect like Jake Evans. Would Montreal be better situated for a rebuild with a kid who probably has first line centre size and talent and is likely no worse than a 2C and a very young d-man with major high end talent to influence hockey games offensively? Of course, Bergevin would never offer any player involved in his legacy defining decisions (Weber, Price's contract, Drouin, Shaw, Domi).
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Post by PTH on Jun 24, 2018 11:42:52 GMT -5
Until he's shown he's fully healed, Weber isn't going anywhere. No sane GM would trade for a guy coming off a season-ending injury, moreso one with his contract.
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Post by seventeen on Jun 24, 2018 11:49:25 GMT -5
Calgary getting better for sure. They were unsure Fox would sign with them, so they cut bait. Hamilton moves again. Hmmm. Andrew Berkshire tweeted that he couldn't understand this dislike of Hamilton based on his interests and I was really curious about that. I've got the wording wrong, but reading through the thread, it seems Hamilton likes vising museums and has pursuits that are more intellectual in nature than the average hockey player's. Would that cause friction with teammates? It might if Dougie isn't careful about how he handles it. He may develop a reputation for snobbery. I'm just speculating here, but it is odd because you don't hear stories of the typical hockey player issues (wine, women and song). It's unusual, also, for hockey players to have intellectual interests, as compared to Playstation. That's a strange way to become an outcast. Anyone else hear anything like this?
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Post by PTH on Jun 24, 2018 12:14:41 GMT -5
Seventeen, it would fit with what I heard on Sportnet, where they went to pains to say that he wasn't a problem child, but didn't seem to mesh with the team.
It might also explain a bad fit in Calgary, which isn't a cultural hotbed as far as I know. One thing I read about the deal was that Calgary wanted players who wanted to be in Calgary - which kind of implies he didn't particularly want to be there.
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Post by seventeen on Jun 24, 2018 13:07:35 GMT -5
Seventeen, it would fit with what I heard on Sportnet, where they went to pains to say that he wasn't a problem child, but didn't seem to mesh with the team. It might also explain a bad fit in Calgary, which isn't a cultural hotbed as far as I know. One thing I read about the deal was that Calgary wanted players who wanted to be in Calgary - which kind of implies he didn't particularly want to be there. Dougie...you're a great kid, but you've got to stop quote Nietzsche. The only Nietzsche your teammates know was a linebacker in the NFL.
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