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Post by Skilly on Jun 27, 2018 13:21:33 GMT -5
The Hockey Hall of Fame always manages to disappoint me ... I would much rather the Hall be a Hall of statistics, or a Hall of Highlight. But the one thing it is not, is a Hall of Fame in which the All-time Best are honoured. To me, a Hall of Fame should be for the best of the best, it should be hard to get in ... but alas, it is what it is ...
Here is my take on this year's crop
1) Martin Brodeur.
He is a no-brainer. He is and should be a first time ballot Hall of Famer. His numbers speak for themselves, and anytime the rules are changed because of you, then you know you are deserving.
2) Martin St. Louis
I get why he is in. He won 7 individual awards and won a Cup. Three of those awards were the Lady Byng, a trophy were there is no quantifiable way of determining who gets it ... He did score over 1000 points, but the 1000 point mark is now getting watered down. St. Louis ranks 75th all-time on the scoring list. I would have selected others before him, but I can live with his induction; it was going to happen eventually.
3) Alexander Yakushev
Huh? I don't understand why he is even considered. He wasn't considered one of the best players in Russia during that era; he basically had a very good September in 1972. If Paul Henderson is not inducted into the HOF, then Yakushev should not be either. He amassed a lot of points internationally playing against the dregs of hockey nations. I simply can not rationalize why he was nominated and then selected
4) Jayna Hefford
Again I don't get it. Yes I fully understand that she was a really good hockey player for Canada internationally, and you do not have much to judge women's hockey on, but international play. But let's be real, women's hockey is a two team sport. Until woman's hockey grows to the point where it is competitive, I think they should hold off inducting every Canadian and American woman who can lace up a pair of skates.
5) Willie O'Ree
I am glad he got in under the builder category and not the player category. He was the first black player in the NHL (but not pro hockey) and played 45 NHL games. This is deserving it that it highlights a significant moment in hockey's history. (Much like Henderson in 1972 ... huh huh huh)
6) Gary Bettman
WTF?? He says he was totally surprised and didn't even know he was nominated. Self serving little ... OK, in all seriousness, Bettman HAS grown the game to where no one ever thought it would go, and he is (if we looked at it honestly) deserving to get in to the HOF as a builder ... But it could have waited until he was retired.
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Post by seventeen on Jun 27, 2018 14:24:37 GMT -5
6) Gary Bettman WTF?? He says he was totally surprised and didn't even know he was nominated. Self serving little ... OK, in all seriousness, Bettman HAS grown the game to where no one ever thought it would go, and he is (if we looked at it honestly) deserving to get in to the HOF as a builder ... But it could have waited until he was retired. Merely a case of Jeremy Jacobs petting his favourite dog. |
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Post by Polarice on Jun 27, 2018 14:39:10 GMT -5
The Hockey Hall of Fame always manages to disappoint me ... I would much rather the Hall be a Hall of statistics, or a Hall of Highlight. But the one thing it is not, is a Hall of Fame in which the All-time Best are honoured. To me, a Hall of Fame should be for the best of the best, it should be hard to get in ... but alas, it is what it is ... 3) Alexander Yakushev Huh? I don't understand why he is even considered. He wasn't considered one of the best players in Russia during that era; he basically had a very good September in 1972. If Paul Henderson is not inducted into the HOF, then Yakushev should not be either. He amassed a lot of points internationally playing against the dregs of hockey nations. I simply can not rationalize why he was nominated and then selected |
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Post by Skilly on Jun 27, 2018 16:05:10 GMT -5
The Hockey Hall of Fame always manages to disappoint me ... I would much rather the Hall be a Hall of statistics, or a Hall of Highlight. But the one thing it is not, is a Hall of Fame in which the All-time Best are honoured. To me, a Hall of Fame should be for the best of the best, it should be hard to get in ... but alas, it is what it is ... 3) Alexander Yakushev Huh? I don't understand why he is even considered. He wasn't considered one of the best players in Russia during that era; he basically had a very good September in 1972. If Paul Henderson is not inducted into the HOF, then Yakushev should not be either. He amassed a lot of points internationally playing against the dregs of hockey nations. I simply can not rationalize why he was nominated and then selected I am not sure what you mean with the link ... Like I said, his claim to fame is the Summit Series. He scored 7 goals, tied Esposito for most points ... But that alone is not worthy of being elected to the HOF before the guy who scored three game winning goals in the same series, a guy that has an NHL career. It would be akin to electing Paul Henderson to the Hall based solely on the fact that he was the last player to score 4 goals in a game in the Original Six era. Don't get me wrong. I'm not in favour of Paul Henderson being in the Hall based on his NHL career. But if we are giving the Summitt Series so much weight , and Tretiak, Kharlmonov, Yakushev get in ...then how can you not put in the guy who scored the most iconic goal ever. It's become a Hall of Highlights, so I'm not sure why all these guys are getting in before Henderson |
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Post by Polarice on Jun 27, 2018 16:20:42 GMT -5
I am not sure what you mean with the link ... Like I said, his claim to fame is the Summit Series. He scored 7 goals, tied Esposito for most points ... But that alone is not worthy of being elected to the HOF before the guy who scored three game winning goals in the same series, a guy that has an NHL career. It would be akin to electing Paul Henderson to the Hall based solely on the fact that he was the last player to score 4 goals in a game in the Original Six era. Don't get me wrong. I'm not in favour of Paul Henderson being in the Hall based on his NHL career. But if we are giving the Summitt Series so much weight , and Tretiak, Kharlmonov, Yakushev get in ...then how can you not put in the guy who scored the most iconic goal ever. It's become a Hall of Highlights, so I'm not sure why all these guys are getting in before Henderson Paul Henderson is in the Hall of Fame...the entire team Canada team was inducted years ago. Yakushev was one of the most dominate Russian players in his era...not just one tournament. Paul Henderson other than scoring the "goal" or, is only known for that series. His NHL career was just average at best. |
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Post by Skilly on Jun 27, 2018 17:25:51 GMT -5
I am not sure what you mean with the link ... Like I said, his claim to fame is the Summit Series. He scored 7 goals, tied Esposito for most points ... But that alone is not worthy of being elected to the HOF before the guy who scored three game winning goals in the same series, a guy that has an NHL career. It would be akin to electing Paul Henderson to the Hall based solely on the fact that he was the last player to score 4 goals in a game in the Original Six era. Don't get me wrong. I'm not in favour of Paul Henderson being in the Hall based on his NHL career. But if we are giving the Summitt Series so much weight , and Tretiak, Kharlmonov, Yakushev get in ...then how can you not put in the guy who scored the most iconic goal ever. It's become a Hall of Highlights, so I'm not sure why all these guys are getting in before Henderson Paul Henderson is in the Hall of Fame...the entire team Canada team was inducted years ago. Yakushev was one of the most dominate Russian players in his era...not just one tournament. Paul Henderson other than scoring the "goal" or, is only known for that series. His NHL career was just average at best. The entire team is not the individual. I was reading a blog by Liam McGuire and he goes on to show that Yakushev played about a quarter of his international games against really poor teams that the Russians beat by double-digit scores. He "dominance" in Russia is greatly exaggerated. |
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Post by Polarice on Jun 27, 2018 17:41:41 GMT -5
Paul Henderson is in the Hall of Fame...the entire team Canada team was inducted years ago. Yakushev was one of the most dominate Russian players in his era...not just one tournament. Paul Henderson other than scoring the "goal" or, is only known for that series. His NHL career was just average at best. The entire team is not the individual. I was reading a blog by Liam McGuire and he goes on to show that Yakushev played about a quarter of his international games against really poor teams that the Russians beat by double-digit scores. He "dominance" in Russia is greatly exaggerated. I wouldn't doubt that it was, we all know what Russia can be like when it comes to sports. However, Liam is a little bias when it comes to Henderson, he's been campaigning to get him into the hall for years. I really have no issue with Henderson getting into the Hall, but if he gets in, it opens things up for other players that may be on the bubble. |
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Post by franko on Jun 27, 2018 20:01:49 GMT -5
6) Gary Bettman WTF?? He says he was totally surprised and didn't even know he was nominated. Self serving little ... OK, in all seriousness, Bettman HAS grown the game to where no one ever thought it would go, and he is (if we looked at it honestly) deserving to get in to the HOF as a builder ... But it could have waited until he was retired. |
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Post by Willie Dog on Jun 28, 2018 7:55:50 GMT -5
6) Gary Bettman WTF?? He says he was totally surprised and didn't even know he was nominated. Self serving little ... OK, in all seriousness, Bettman HAS grown the game to where no one ever thought it would go, and he is (if we looked at it honestly) deserving to get in to the HOF as a builder ... But it could have waited until he was retired. Merely a case of Jeremy Jacobs petting his favourite dog. If Bettman is a builder then they must be really short buildings  Didn't he have a starring role in Bon Cop Bad Cop? |
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Post by CentreHice on Jun 28, 2018 8:48:53 GMT -5
Down 3-1-1 in the series going into Game 6 in Moscow....Henderson scored the winner in all 3 remaining do-or-die games. Game 6's winner was the best of the bunch. While it was a comeback for the ages, for me (and many others) it was tainted by Bobby Clarke's deliberate, wicked slash on Kharlamov's ankle in Game 6. Kharlamov missed Game 7, and played only Periods 1 and 2 of Game 8. Up 5-3 going into the third, his coaches obviously decided to shut him down. The Soviets managed just 5 shots in the 3rd. Kharlamov was the best forward on the ice for both teams--killing Canada with his speed, playmaking, and finish. With him at 100%, the Soviets could've realistically won the series 6-1-1. If you're going to induct Paul Henderson for that series, have Clarke's stick by his side.  |
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Jun 28, 2018 9:33:36 GMT -5
Well, the got it wrong with Alexander Yakushev ... if they're basing his induction on his international play, then he's already been inducted into the International Hockey Hall of Fame in Kingston, ON ... if his induction was based on his play in the 1972 Summit Series, then I agree that Paul Henderson (who's already a member of the IIHOF) deserves induction into the HHOF ... he scored 5 goals on Moscow ice that included game-winners in Games 6 and 7, and a series-winner in Game 8 (voted the " sports moment of the century" by The Canadian Press) ... all this after being diagnosed with a concussion after crashing into the boards during Game 5 ... as for Gary Bettman, IMHO, he's only really a front-man for the owners, who are the ones that actually call the shots ... I don't like the timing of the induction, but he'd have been inducted as a builder at the end of his 'career' as commissioner, anyway ... NHL league revenues were ~ US$400-million when he first took the job and now those revenues are ~ US$4.54-billion ... franchise fees have gone from US$50-million, from when he first took over as Comish in 1993, to US$650-million (TSN- McGuire) ... he may make ~ US$9.5-million/season (2013-14), but he's also made a lot of other people money, not just for the owners, but for the players, too ... Cheers. |
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Post by seventeen on Jun 28, 2018 10:26:52 GMT -5
I thought they should have indicted Bettman years ago.
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Post by seventeen on Jun 28, 2018 10:28:10 GMT -5
6) Gary Bettman WTF?? He says he was totally surprised and didn't even know he was nominated. Self serving little ... OK, in all seriousness, Bettman HAS grown the game to where no one ever thought it would go, and he is (if we looked at it honestly) deserving to get in to the HOF as a builder ... But it could have waited until he was retired.   |
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