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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Jul 2, 2018 19:45:53 GMT -5
... when was the last time a player signed an offer sheet ...
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Post by blny on Jul 2, 2018 19:49:07 GMT -5
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Post by Tankdriver on Jul 2, 2018 20:35:20 GMT -5
Would the Isles do something like 14 million a year for Austen Mathews?
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Post by blny on Jul 2, 2018 21:53:22 GMT -5
Would the Isles do something like 14 million a year for Austen Mathews? Friedman, I think?, claims one GM will 'bet his house' that someone offer sheets one of the Leafs players next summer. If they sign all 4 forwards (tavares included), there's no way they get them signed for much under $40 million combined. Matthews is gonna want close to McDavid money. Even if you get him for $100 million flat over 8 years, that's $12.5 million. He's certainly getting more than Tavares. If Marner and Nylander have two more good years, they aren't going to sign for less than 8x8. A team can't sustain four forwards making $40 million. It's hard enough to type and say! lol One of Marner or Nylander has to go for a real upgrade on defense. They'll get better value now than next summer when they're up against it. Honestly, if I'm Dubas, and the reports about the Sens opening up discussions for a sign and trade of Karlsson I'm calling Dorion. Marner or Nylander would make up a huge piece of the offer going the other way. So much so, that you might get away with only including a first - which would go some way to replacing the first the Sens have to give Colorado. Tavares at 7x11, Matthews at 8x12.5, and Karlsson at 8x11 makes a lot more sense. You can then pawn off Marleau's last year to subsidize the contract of whoever of Marner or Nylander remain. Hell, as much as it might suck to see Price hoist one with the Leafs, if you thought Nylander at center was a good fit I'd eat 1-2 million of Price's deal. Nylander and a first. If they want to remove Andersen's $5 million hit they eat all of Price's deal and through in a 2nd. Or, you can wait - which we know doesn't work well - and throw $14 million at him. Make $13 million of it a signing bonus in each year. The Leafs will match, but it will screw them if they haven't moved one of Marner or Nylander. |
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Post by Tankdriver on Jul 2, 2018 23:05:53 GMT -5
According to Chris Johnston of sportsnet Mitch marner was used as a big piece to lure Tavares. He would be his wingman. I think Nylander is the odd man out. Him or Kadri.
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Post by blny on Jul 2, 2018 23:59:16 GMT -5
According to Chris Johnston of sportsnet Mitch marner was used as a big piece to lure Tavares. He would be his wingman. I think Nylander is the odd man out. Him or Kadri. I think Kadri is a given, because $4.5 million third line centers are a waste of money. That can upgrade the D too. But, I also think they have to consider one of the two wingers. Nylander is the name that always comes up. Two straight 60 point seasons. Playmaker more than goal scorer. Has played center, but I'm not sure if he is one at the NHL level. |
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Post by seventeen on Jul 3, 2018 0:41:53 GMT -5
Friedman, I think?, claims one GM will 'bet his house' that someone offer sheets one of the Leafs players next summer. I don't know the rules, but if the Leafs don't extend Matthews quickly enough, I'd offer sheet him. It would cost 4 first round picks, but we've stocked the cupboard and trading Price or Weber could replace some of those picks. You're not likely to get a franchise centre in any of those 4 picks. If not him, then offer sheet Marner or Nylander or even Reilly up to the $8MM mark. That costs a first, a second and a third. TO would match of course, but you start to screw around with their CAP and it makes it much harder for them to fill in those complementary positions. Especially if you secure Reilly...that would weaken an already mediocre defense. I love this. The NHL vs the Leafs. I can see Lucky Lou drumming up support already. |
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Post by jkr on Jul 3, 2018 7:27:30 GMT -5
I'm positive Lamoriello will do this. The guys available are top notch & then there's the payback thing.
I've never understood the reluctance of GMs to do this. Is it some sort of club where you don't tick off your friends? Who cares if people like you. You're there to win, within the rules. If someone's feelings are hurt then boo hoo.
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Jul 3, 2018 9:36:43 GMT -5
They key is to offer sheet someone other than Matthews. They are already going to pay him big bucks, so you need to make them match and swallow a big contract with their next tier of young stars. After going all in with Tavares, they cannot afford to lose their "next ones". They lost depth scoring with JVR and Komarov on the wings, so they need to protect what they have.
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Post by Willie Dog on Jul 3, 2018 10:32:26 GMT -5
They key is to offer sheet someone other than Matthews. They are already going to pay him big bucks, so you need to make them match and swallow a big contract with their next tier of young stars. After going all in with Tavares, they cannot afford to lose their "next ones". They lost depth scoring with JVR and Komarov on the wings, so they need to protect what they have. Good point, go after Marner, Nylander or Reilly... Make them pay. |
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Post by blny on Jul 3, 2018 10:51:48 GMT -5
I'm positive Lamoriello will do this. The guys available are top notch & then there's the payback thing. I've never understood the reluctance of GMs to do this. Is it some sort of club where you don't tick off your friends? Who cares if people like you. You're there to win, within the rules. If someone's feelings are hurt then boo hoo. Silly ole conservative boys club crap. AFAIC, it's the one clear area where there's significant collusion. |
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Post by seventeen on Jul 3, 2018 12:49:42 GMT -5
They key is to offer sheet someone other than Matthews. They are already going to pay him big bucks, so you need to make them match and swallow a big contract with their next tier of young stars. After going all in with Tavares, they cannot afford to lose their "next ones". They lost depth scoring with JVR and Komarov on the wings, so they need to protect what they have. That works, but let's say they budget $12MM for Matthews. Would you offer sheet him at $14MM? I would. He's going to be worth it. It's not a big deal and they'd match, of course. But it throws a wrench in their CAP planning and makes it that little bit harder to retain the other kids. Dubas isn't dumb, so I think they'll try and nail down these guys before anyone can offer sheet them, but it still raises the salary requirements and will give them less elbow room to add a defenseman. If they're strong enough up the middle and in goal, they may not need anything more than an average D, though. Pittsburgh did that in their second Cup. Dubas is going at it quite differently than most GM's, so it's good to see different thinking. If only we had a GM like that. Why do I feel like we're always a step behind? (Pssst. Because we are) |
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Post by Andrew on Jul 3, 2018 14:23:48 GMT -5
I think the Leafs will find a way to manage. Reilly and Kadri are locked up long term at reasonable cap hits. They'll get Nylander's contract out of the way this off-season and then only have Matthews and Marner to worry about. Maybe they bridge Nylander to be sure. They already got rid of one bad contract today (Martin), and I'm sure will try and find a taker for Horton's final year going into next off-season.
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Post by blny on Jul 3, 2018 14:32:39 GMT -5
I think the Leafs will find a way to manage. Reilly and Kadri are locked up long term at reasonable cap hits. They'll get Nylander's contract out of the way this off-season and then only have Matthews and Marner to worry about. Maybe they bridge Nylander to be sure. They already got rid of one bad contract today (Martin), and I'm sure will try and find a taker for Horton's final year going into next off-season. Even if they find a way, Rielly can't be their only defender. They need to bolster that area going forward. When the chips are down, they get exposed there. They can't address it with those 4 forwards signed long term. Nylander knows what's up. He's not accepting a bridge deal imo. |
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Post by folatre on Jul 9, 2018 23:06:10 GMT -5
Earlier in the spring, I thought a club might go after Stone with an offer sheet. But he filed for arbitration and thus another year passes without anyone offer sheeting a great player.
However, regarding Stone, one has to wonder what Melnyk and Dorion are going to do caught in a predicament that they no doubt detest. Do they give him 8 x 8, which given his age, offensive productivity and two-way play is likely merited? Or do they let the arbitrator rule and trade Stone at the deadline?
Moreover, I do not believe Duchene is giving the Sens any sort of home town discount. Pat Brisson is probably going to extract 8 x 8.25 from Dorion or cause the poor guy to trade the jewel he paid such a dear price to acquire, which would be embarrassing.
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