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Post by habmeister on May 27, 2006 20:37:44 GMT -5
didn't put andrei kostitsyn because i think it's almost a given he makes the club. so who of these five will suprise?
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Post by franko on May 27, 2006 20:58:17 GMT -5
Good poll! Goota go with Gui. Kyle has to play a year in the AHL, Alexei a year in North America, don't know enough about Ryan (even from the great posts), and Corey . . . well, as much as I like him and he's been able to fight is way into every league he's tried for -- and hope that he'll crack the Habs lineup -- I think he's hit the ceiling. But I hope he proves me wrong!
[Wow, would you look at that -- everyone who has voted so far thinks the same! ;D ]
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Post by Skilly on May 27, 2006 21:38:42 GMT -5
Huh?
It is a given that Sergei (Siarhai) makes the club straight from junoir, but Alexei who has played 12 games in the NHL might not? Are you saying you think there will be 2 junior aged players on the roster next year and Sergei is guaranteed a shot? I don't think anyone is guaranteed a spot, and lets remember Montreal is so slow (so slow it is irritating) developing players, even more so now I would guess with the new CBA.
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Post by seventeen on May 27, 2006 22:23:41 GMT -5
Our defense annoys me and Emelin plays with an edge.
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Post by habmeister on May 28, 2006 3:14:42 GMT -5
Huh? It is a given that Sergei (Siarhai) makes the club straight from junoir, but Alexei who has played 12 games in the NHL might not? Are you saying you think there will be 2 junior aged players on the roster next year and Sergei is guaranteed a shot? I don't think anyone is guaranteed a spot, and lets remember Montreal is so slow (so slow it is irritating) developing players, even more so now I would guess with the new CBA. Alexei has played 12 games in the NHL? when? sorry mixed up the kosty brothers, andrei will be in the lineup next season from day one, but sergei is 1-2 years off. Yemelin and O'Byrne may suprise in camp and don't forget JP Cote. |
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Post by BadCompany on May 28, 2006 12:49:18 GMT -5
I wouldn't vote for any of those guys, actually.
O'Byrne, not even signed yet, and he's almost certainly not going to step into the NHL directly from NCAA if he is. That would be a huge leap for anyone, and given how the Habs break in youngsters, having a great camp isn't going to do it for you (see Latendresse, Guillaume).
Emelin, see O'Byrne.
Locke was struggling at the AHL level at times, and who is he going to knock off the roster at center? Koivu, Ribeiro, Plekanec, Bonk or Begin?
Latendresse will be given an opportunity, but he didn't exactly have a great season following his demotion.
Chipchura too, will be given an opportunity, but he too will have to beat out a center.
My bet is on a guy who isn't even listed - Maxim Lapierre. Versatile enough to play anywhere, good size, gritty, lots of hustle... Think Garth Murray, but with better hands.
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Post by cigarviper on May 28, 2006 14:39:31 GMT -5
I agree. Lappy will probably make it along with Cote over Streit. Although alot is left wide open for movement in the off season.
Gainey said to "expect the unexpected"...okay...or to coin another poster in cyberspace, "unexpect the expected."
He must have driven his mother crazy as a child.
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Post by Toronthab on May 28, 2006 15:32:06 GMT -5
I'd guess Cote myself, but that's only an uninformed guess. The strategic utility of a Cote over Streit is not something I know anything about, so as I said, a guess.
Chipchura may be the best available player, (I don't know), but as was posted earlier, who do you take out?
GO Oilers GO!!!!!
Bomb DaVinci Bomb!!!!! heh heh heh
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Post by habmeister on May 28, 2006 19:03:52 GMT -5
i didn't put guys that had already played with the big club. lapierre and cote have great shots of course, i was wondering more if a young player would crack it out of those five. i still haven't voted yet, because i've never seen o'byrne, but i could see yemelin suprising and making it for some odd reason. even though they'll probably stick him in the a.
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Post by franko on May 28, 2006 21:55:29 GMT -5
I wouldn't vote for any of those guys, actually. I looked a tthe question as "If only one of the 5 listed makes it, who do you think it will be?" Gui might need a year in the A, but is the most likely to move up and in. |
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Post by Habs_fan_in_LA on May 28, 2006 22:20:09 GMT -5
I wouldn't vote for any of those guys, actually. O'Byrne, not even signed yet, and he's almost certainly not going to step into the NHL directly from NCAA if he is. That would be a huge leap for anyone, and given how the Habs break in youngsters, having a great camp isn't going to do it for you (see Latendresse, Guillaume). Emelin, see O'Byrne. Locke was struggling at the AHL level at times, and who is he going to knock off the roster at center? Koivu, Ribeiro, Plekanec, Bonk or Begin? Latendresse will be given an opportunity, but he didn't exactly have a great season following his demotion. Chipchura too, will be given an opportunity, but he too will have to beat out a center. My bet is on a guy who isn't even listed - Maxim Lapierre. Versatile enough to play anywhere, good size, gritty, lots of hustle... Think Garth Murray, but with better hands. Latendresse has the best chance of making it, but locke has the highest upside potential. My vote goes to Gui. |
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Post by Bob on May 29, 2006 10:00:22 GMT -5
Gui might need a year in the A, but is the most likely to move up and in. I think Gui does need a year in the A and that means one more year in the Q and then a year in the AHL. Hopefully I am wrong but there is a lot of work for him to do before he laces them up with the Habs. |
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Post by oldhabsfan on May 29, 2006 11:29:31 GMT -5
Huh? It is a given that Sergei (Siarhai) makes the club straight from junoir, but Alexei who has played 12 games in the NHL might not? Are you saying you think there will be 2 junior aged players on the roster next year and Sergei is guaranteed a shot? I think myself that Sergei will *probably* need some more time in the OHL or the AHL before he makes the NHL - but remember that he has been scoring point toals between Robbie Schremp and Dylan Hunter and playing a gritty game. Where do you suppose Schremp and Hunter will be playing next year? |
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Post by Doc Holliday on May 29, 2006 11:53:25 GMT -5
I wouldn't vote for any of those guys, actually. O'Byrne, not even signed yet, and he's almost certainly not going to step into the NHL directly from NCAA if he is. That would be a huge leap for anyone, and given how the Habs break in youngsters, having a great camp isn't going to do it for you (see Latendresse, Guillaume). Emelin, see O'Byrne. Locke was struggling at the AHL level at times, and who is he going to knock off the roster at center? Koivu, Ribeiro, Plekanec, Bonk or Begin? Latendresse will be given an opportunity, but he didn't exactly have a great season following his demotion. Chipchura too, will be given an opportunity, but he too will have to beat out a center. My bet is on a guy who isn't even listed - Maxim Lapierre. Versatile enough to play anywhere, good size, gritty, lots of hustle... Think Garth Murray, but with better hands. What he said... I believe the legitimate NHL prospects listed above (which shouldn't include Locke IMO) will have to play in the AHL a bit before being given a real chance and I believe Lapierre will be on the 4th line on opening night. I think how well/not well camp goes has very influence on roster spots and when you think about it, why would a 3-4 weeks practice decide the faith of prospects and/or how the club will designed. Player devellopment is based on years of hard work and evaluation, not on a 3 weeks streak. Next I see Kots, Lapierre and maybe Cote and Ferland. The rest of them haven't completed their development cycle, nor have the top level skill required to skip some stages. |
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Post by Habs_fan_in_LA on May 29, 2006 12:01:51 GMT -5
I wouldn't vote for any of those guys, actually. O'Byrne, not even signed yet, and he's almost certainly not going to step into the NHL directly from NCAA if he is. That would be a huge leap for anyone, and given how the Habs break in youngsters, having a great camp isn't going to do it for you (see Latendresse, Guillaume). Emelin, see O'Byrne. Locke was struggling at the AHL level at times, and who is he going to knock off the roster at center? Koivu, Ribeiro, Plekanec, Bonk or Begin? Latendresse will be given an opportunity, but he didn't exactly have a great season following his demotion. Chipchura too, will be given an opportunity, but he too will have to beat out a center. My bet is on a guy who isn't even listed - Maxim Lapierre. Versatile enough to play anywhere, good size, gritty, lots of hustle... Think Garth Murray, but with better hands. What he said... I believe the legitimate NHL prospects listed above (which shouldn't include Locke IMO) will have to play in the AHL a bit before being given a real chance and I believe Lapierre will be on the 4th line on opening night. I think how well/not well camp goes has very influence on roster spots and when you think about it, why would a 3-4 weeks practice decide the faith of prospects and/or how the club will designed. Player devellopment is based on years of hard work and evaluation, not on a 3 weeks streak. Next I see Kots, Lapierre and maybe Cote and Ferland. The rest of them haven't completed their development cycle, nor have the top level skill required to skip some stages. Guillaume has size and strength. Size is the same in the QMJHL, AHL or NHL. A powerforward can make it easier than a small scorer. It doesn't mean he won't miss shifts and watch some games from the bench or press box, but he will be able to contribute spot duty when required using his specialty, size. |
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Post by seventeen on May 29, 2006 13:02:13 GMT -5
I wouldn't vote for any of those guys, actually. O'Byrne, not even signed yet, and he's almost certainly not going to step into the NHL directly from NCAA if he is. That would be a huge leap for anyone, and given how the Habs break in youngsters, having a great camp isn't going to do it for you (see Latendresse, Guillaume). Emelin, see O'Byrne. Locke was struggling at the AHL level at times, and who is he going to knock off the roster at center? Koivu, Ribeiro, Plekanec, Bonk or Begin? Latendresse will be given an opportunity, but he didn't exactly have a great season following his demotion. Chipchura too, will be given an opportunity, but he too will have to beat out a center. My bet is on a guy who isn't even listed - Maxim Lapierre. Versatile enough to play anywhere, good size, gritty, lots of hustle... Think Garth Murray, but with better hands. Going into politics BC? Nice job of avoiding the clear question.  Lapierre is a good choice of those kids who've seen little time on the big club and who could knock off a current roster player. The most obvious potential graduates are those at Hamilton, which means Kostitsyn, Lapierre and Cote. Chips will need a half season of seasoning and an opening to appear from a trade. Locke, while being a huge favourite of all HabsRus Posters in Southern California, wasn't brought up and may not have the speed needed in the 'new' NHL. Size is obviously not a problem anymore. Two years in the AHL and if he'd been in the top 10 in AHL scoring, would be a much brighter prospect than he currently is. Ferland is a possibility and on the outside, JF Jacques. So after the AHL guys, it's the Europeans and non-pros. Of all those guys, I like Emelin, because he's a bit older, further along, has played in a top country league and likes to hit. |
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on May 29, 2006 13:51:16 GMT -5
I'd guess Cote myself, but that's only an uninformed guess. The strategic utility of a Cote over Streit is not something I know anything about, so as I said, a guess. Chipchura may be the best available player, (I don't know), but as was posted earlier, who do you take out? GO Oilers GO!!!!! Bomb DaVinci Bomb!!!!! heh heh heh This is the thing about training camp since Gainey's arrival. Jobs aren't handed out by default any longer. Côté will be given every opportunity to make the club and if he plays well enough, then we should see another defenceman looking on from the pressbox (or elsewhere). I'd like to see Côté in the line up next season. He'll have to earn it, but I think he's up for that. Chipchura? Dunno. I don't know if he's eligable for another year in junior, but if he is, he certainly won't learn anything if he stays at that level. I think he'd do just fine playing in Hamilton with a few games in the show here and there for the exposure. Latendresse? Well, he certainly seems to be the anointed one I reckon. But, he will have to earn his position as well. He's another one who won't learn a thing staying in junior. BC likes Lapierre, but I honestly can't comment on him because I haven't followed his progress all that much. Cheers. |
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Post by seventeen on May 29, 2006 17:53:27 GMT -5
Chipchura? Dunno. I don't know if he's eligable for another year in junior, but if he is, he certainly won't learn anything if he stays at that level. I think he'd do just fine playing in Hamilton with a few games in the show here and there for the exposure. He's done as far as juniours go, Dis. It's Hamilton or Montreal next year. Just to raise the curiousity bar a tad, he was +4 in his 8 games in the AHL. |
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Post by cigarviper on May 29, 2006 19:09:51 GMT -5
Certainly everyone has to prove his worth at training camp this year. It will be interesting if Gui makes as big an impact as last year. Would BG send him back? I'm not so sure about that. I think Chips will spend a year or more at the AHL level myself. If Emelin comes to NA and plays for the Dogs he'll see some time in the show for sure.
What about Mikhail Grabovsky? I'm intrigued by what I've read so far. Seems like a good two way player. Hope he comes to Hamilton next year.
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Post by habmeister on May 29, 2006 19:10:25 GMT -5
ok, we need to clear something up on here. in my nhl 05-06 guide his name is spelled yemelin, whereas everywhere on this board it's emelin. which is it? it's also emelin on the canadiens.com site, so i'm guessing it's that. just to clear up that i'm not a total idiot. sorry, the spelling bee champ of elementary school is shining through right now. actually i wasn't a champ because i technically finished in 2nd place, it was the first time i tasted losing and i knew that i did not like it at all.
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Post by montreal on May 29, 2006 19:45:18 GMT -5
ok, we need to clear something up on here. in my nhl 05-06 guide his name is spelled yemelin, whereas everywhere on this board it's emelin. which is it? it's also emelin on the canadiens.com site, so i'm guessing it's that. just to clear up that i'm not a total idiot. sorry, the spelling bee champ of elementary school is shining through right now. actually i wasn't a champ because i technically finished in 2nd place, it was the first time i tasted losing and i knew that i did not like it at all. Yemelin is the English way of writing it, Emelin is the Russian way. Chipchura can play in the WHL as an overager but seems highly unlikely he would, he looked more like a vet then a rookie in Hamilton, very solid player. Grabovsky if signed is one guy I think will see time in the NHL. It's so hard to try and say what guys will make the team since we don't really know what the roster will look like. Imo Cote, Ferland, Lapierre, Kostitsyn, Grabovsky, Latendresse will all fight for spots, of course most won't get a spot but many of them could see spot duty if injuries hit. Chipchura I wouldn't be surprised to see him get in a handful of games especially if injuries hit down the middle. |
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Post by Gogie on May 30, 2006 10:31:16 GMT -5
Going into politics BC? Nice job of avoiding the clear question. Lapierre is a good choice of those kids who've seen little time on the big club and who could knock off a current roster player. The most obvious potential graduates are those at Hamilton, which means Kostitsyn, Lapierre and Cote. Chips will need a half season of seasoning and an opening to appear from a trade. Locke, while being a huge favourite of all HabsRus Posters in Southern California, wasn't brought up and may not have the speed needed in the 'new' NHL. Size is obviously not a problem anymore. Two years in the AHL and if he'd been in the top 10 in AHL scoring, would be a much brighter prospect than he currently is. Ferland is a possibility and on the outside, JF Jacques. So after the AHL guys, it's the Europeans and non-pros. Of all those guys, I like Emelin, because he's a bit older, further along, has played in a top country league and likes to hit. From what I've seen of Jacques, he'd be a prime candidate for the Habs next year (he has size, grit and talent). Unfortunately, the Oilers might not appreciate Montreal stealing one of their prospects!!!  |
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Post by HabbaDasher on May 30, 2006 16:12:13 GMT -5
Latendresse, Lapierre, Cote, or Grabovski.
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Post by seventeen on May 30, 2006 17:40:05 GMT -5
From what I've seen of Jacques, he'd be a prime candidate for the Habs next year (he has size, grit and talent). Unfortunately, the Oilers might not appreciate Montreal stealing one of their prospects!!! Maybe we could trade Ribeiro for him. Down, Doc, down. |
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Post by Toronthab on May 30, 2006 20:23:28 GMT -5
Here the Oilers haven't even finished winning the cup, and I'm already salivating for the start of camp and pre-season. GO HABS GO!....sorry.......GO Ha.....sorry.....
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2006 18:46:58 GMT -5
Hopefully Latendresse and Kostistyn will become the players we're hoping for. Players who like to drive to the net with offensive skills.
Don't count out Chipchura. He may even make the club.
Wow, we have a lot of good players fighting for tight spots. This is going to be a really crazy training camp.
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Post by stubbsy60 on Jun 27, 2006 0:03:54 GMT -5
Huh? It is a given that Sergei (Siarhai) makes the club straight from junoir, but Alexei who has played 12 games in the NHL might not? Are you saying you think there will be 2 junior aged players on the roster next year and Sergei is guaranteed a shot? I think myself that Sergei will *probably* need some more time in the OHL or the AHL before he makes the NHL - but remember that he has been scoring point toals between Robbie Schremp and Dylan Hunter and playing a gritty game. Where do you suppose Schremp and Hunter will be playing next year? I see Robbie cracking the Oil this season as a third or fourth liner and also as a power play guy. As for Dylan, he is a great leader and will crack the Sabres lineup sooner than later, but not likely this season. You are missing Dave Bolland from your list of guy's who made Sergei look so good. Bolland has a great shot of making the struggling Blackhawks this year but may need to put on a bit of muscle to be as successful in the NHL as he has been in the OHL. As far as Sergei goes, he had a very good year and will be given every opportunity by coach Hunter to be a first line star on the Knights next season, and will be destined for at least one year in Hamilton before he cracks Les Canadiens. By the way, I voted for Gui since I don't see the benefit of having him play with lesser talent for another season in the Q. I also would not be surprised to see Chip and Locke get their first NHL action under their belts before the season is over. Like someone mentioned earlier, Locke may have reached his ceiling in the A but somehow he has alway's found a way to overcome his shortcomings to put the puck in the net. I could see him coming up and pulling a Hossa where he gets a few goals in his first few games and then tales off and gets demoted again. He will likely have to work twice as hard his whole career to stay in the big show. Chips seems like a natural leader and all around player which is bound to catch Gainey and company's eye and warrant a mid season call up when someone goes down. |
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