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Post by blny on Jan 23, 2019 8:00:04 GMT -5
Per multiple sources.
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Post by folatre on Jan 23, 2019 9:25:42 GMT -5
I am too lazy to think back on his body of work with Boston (obviously, they won a Cup, so there is that), but his record in Edmonton was shockingly bad.
He gave away valuable picks for Reinhardt; he turned Hall into a vanilla second pair d-man; he turned Eberle into basically nothing; he signed Lucic who now is probably the worst contract in the NHL; plus the Drasaitl contract did not win him any friends among his front office colleagues around the league.
I wonder if Gretzky's brother gets the job or if Katz decides to recycle someone like Lowe or MacTavish. The Oilers seem to always stay in the family so to speak with their management core.
My feeling is the Chiarelli firing happening now is more to appease the angry fan base. I believe Katz and management will continue to be adamant that Edmonton simply must make the playoffs this season in particular considering how awful the bottom half of the Western Conference continues to be. Therefore, I would not surprised if (whoever is calling the shots) the Oilers are still actively trying to acquire a scoring wing.
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Post by blny on Jan 23, 2019 10:16:08 GMT -5
I am too lazy to think back on his body of work with Boston (obviously, they won a Cup, so there is that), but his record in Edmonton was shockingly bad. He gave away valuable picks for Reinhardt; he turned Hall into a vanilla second pair d-man; he turned Eberle into basically nothing; he signed Lucic who now is probably the worst contract in the NHL; plus the Drasaitl contract did not win him any friends among his front office colleagues around the league. I wonder if Gretzky's brother gets the job or if Katz decides to recycle someone like Lowe or MacTavish. The Oilers seem to always stay in the family so to speak with their management core. My feeling is the Chiarelli firing happening now is more to appease the angry fan base. I believe Katz and management will continue to be adamant that Edmonton simply must make the playoffs this season in particular considering how awful the bottom half of the Western Conference continues to be. Therefore, I would not surprised if (whoever is calling the shots) the Oilers are still actively trying to acquire a scoring wing. I shouldn't be shocked, considering the group in that front office, but the fact they let him sign the backup goalie to a $4.5 million a year deal with only 30 games experience one day and then fired him the next speaks volumes about the institutional failure that is that organization. Their cupboards are bare. They're cap situation is not good. It's going to be 3-4 years of serious clean up. |
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Post by blny on Jan 23, 2019 10:20:32 GMT -5
LOL
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Post by jkr on Jan 23, 2019 10:24:20 GMT -5
Lets not forget that while in Boston, he turned Tyler Seguin into basically, Loui Ericksson. I have to assume that trades aren't made in a vacuum. There have to be multiple people in a room when a deal is made. That says to me that there are more incompetent people in the Oilers organization that need to go. This is long overdue & probably should have happened before this season even started. They are wasting great years of the best player in the league. That's a crime. There are more people there that have to go but I guess Chiarelli is a more than deserving scapegoat. Anybody see Jeremy Roenick last night. He ripped the entire organization & by the end of the segment, he had a bag over his head.  |
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Post by jkr on Jan 23, 2019 10:25:18 GMT -5
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Post by blny on Jan 23, 2019 10:44:52 GMT -5
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Jan 23, 2019 11:06:11 GMT -5
Made me think of how well Brian Burke built a winner ... in Boston ... Cheers. |
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Post by blny on Jan 23, 2019 11:15:34 GMT -5
Made me think of how well Brian Burke built a winner ... in Boston ... Cheers. Kessel turned into Seguin, Knight and Hamilton. Seguin turned into Eriksson. Hamilton was run out of town. |
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Jan 23, 2019 11:16:09 GMT -5
I don't know who, if anyone, the Oilers have lined up to take Peter Chiarelli's spot, but they need only look at how the Islanders were unable to retain John Tavares to understand that Connor McDavid may just bolt when his time comes if the Oilers haven't sorted out their house by then ... as an aside, I can't remember the last time I've seen the Islanders play this well and without Tavares ... might take a little longer for the Oilers, but firing Chiarelli is the first step to moving forward ...
Cheers.
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Post by Tankdriver on Jan 23, 2019 11:35:07 GMT -5
He should of done the Hall for Subban deal. Montreal wouldn't have Weber and Drouin, but they would have Hall and Sergachev.
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Post by blny on Jan 23, 2019 11:56:59 GMT -5
I don't know who, if anyone, the Oilers have lined up to take Peter Chiarelli's spot, but they need only look at how the Islanders were unable to retain John Tavares to understand that Connor McDavid may just bolt when his time comes if the Oilers haven't sorted out their house by then ... as an aside, I can't remember the last time I've seen the Islanders play this well and without Tavares ... might take a little longer for the Oilers, but firing Chiarelli is the first step to moving forward ... Cheers. As long as Lowe, MacT, Nicholson and company are there it will continue to be lateral moves. They all need to go. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2019 15:33:12 GMT -5
As long as Lowe, MacT, Nicholson and company are there it will continue to be lateral moves. They all need to go. Kind of scary how similar this situation seems to the Habs with regards to management. |
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Post by blny on Jan 23, 2019 15:50:03 GMT -5
As long as Lowe, MacT, Nicholson and company are there it will continue to be lateral moves. They all need to go. Kind of scary how similar this situation seems to the Habs with regards to management. We're ahead of them in that we seem past the point of hiring former players simply because they wore the uniform. Imagine where the Oilers would be if they didn't win the lottery in 2015. |
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Post by folatre on Jan 23, 2019 15:53:11 GMT -5
Bergevin, assuming he sees what everyone else sees, should send Chiarelli a thank you card. Bergevin really wanted Lucic and I heard that he may well have come to Montreal if he had not been blown away by the Edmonton offer.
Bergevin was in a sense saved from himself and his own judgment by Chiarelli, who by 2016-17 was part of the shrinking number of GMs subscribing to the heavy roster architecture design rather than the speed one. Given what Bergevin did at the 2017 trade deadline it is safe to say he was still very much behind the times. Unfortunately, there was no Chiarelli type angel to save Bergevin from the Alzner impulse in the summer of 2017.
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Post by jkr on Jan 23, 2019 16:24:53 GMT -5
TSN ticker saying Keith Gretzky will be interim GM.
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Post by blny on Jan 23, 2019 16:34:09 GMT -5
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Post by folatre on Jan 24, 2019 21:27:03 GMT -5
Keith Gretzky as Assistant GM was in charge of amateur scouting the last couple or three years, no? I hope for Oilers fans sake that he was not involved in pro scouting because Edmonton's judgment there has been abysmal.
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Post by franko on Jan 24, 2019 22:03:46 GMT -5
Keith Gretzky as Assistant GM was in charge of amateur scouting the last couple or three years, no? I hope for Oilers fans sake that he was not involved in pro scouting because Edmonton's judgment there has been abysmal. what do you mean, they snagged McDavid, didn't they? |
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Post by Andrew on Jan 25, 2019 12:48:04 GMT -5
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Post by blny on Jan 25, 2019 14:20:30 GMT -5
Nice find. Makes your head hurt how dumb they are. |
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Post by seventeen on Jan 25, 2019 14:34:11 GMT -5
The common denominator in Edmonton, IMO, has been Kevin Lowe. That's bypassing the fact, as is true in 99% of the situations, that Darryl Katz the owner, is the fundamental problem because Lowe is still there. Since 2000 in the 18 years since Lowe was promoted to management, the Oilers have missed the playoffs 14 times, were eliminated in Round 1 twice, made it to Round 2 once and to the finals once in 2006 when Duane Roloson and Pronger carried them there. That's an incredible record of futility, especially given where they have drafted in recent years.
It's always ownership and management, guys. Take a look at the successful teams around the league and you'll see that correlation. The question in Montreal is "How serious is Geoff Molson about REALLY bringing a cup home?"
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Post by seventeen on Jan 25, 2019 14:56:46 GMT -5
Nice find. Makes your head hurt how dumb they are. You can see the politics involved too. Cam Neely is sitting in at a table where they are discussing Seguin. Neely is an executive on the team and practically an adopted son of Jeremy Jacobs. You can clearly see the others at the table taking their cue from Neely's comments. They are not going against the wind he's blowing. While I think Chiarelli is incompetent, the problem in Boston is further up the ladder than Chiarelli. Another thing that I thought I picked up from the video is that Chiarelli has no patience (or that his bosses expected him to deal with the issue ASAP). They decide to trade Seguin and does he shop him around slowly and carefully? It looks more like he's on the phone immediately, and the goal is to move Seguin quickly rather than for the most value. Contrast that with Joe Sakic (Not that I think Sakic is a great GM but he did pull off this one very good move) and the Duchene trade. Similar in some ways. A good young centre who is going to be a contract headache and who doesn't fit the 'culture' (which is just a synonym for not liking the guy for some personal reason) and the team has decided to trade him. Sakic got Shane Bowers (2017 first round pick of Ottawa, their 1st in 2019 (a strong lottery pick), a 2nd and 3rd rounder in 2018, Sam Girard and prospect Vladislave Kamenev. Chiarelli should have taken his time and built up competing offers. Chiarelli ended up with 3 years of Loui Eriksson for Seguin. Wow. |
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Post by Cranky on Jan 25, 2019 15:49:19 GMT -5
All I want to know is why we didn't benefit directly from Chiarelli. If we had Pollock, Chai would be his pet. Chia. Pet. Chai Pet? Get it? Never mind......  |
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Post by seventeen on Jan 25, 2019 15:52:57 GMT -5
All I want to know is why we didn't benefit directly from Chiarelli. If we had Pollock, Chai would be he his pet. Chia. Pet. Chai Pet? Get it? Never mind...... I was wondering that too. Garth Snow, of all people, clued in. |
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Post by Cranky on Jan 25, 2019 15:57:42 GMT -5
All I want to know is why we didn't benefit directly from Chiarelli. If we had Pollock, Chai would be he his pet. Chia. Pet. Chai Pet? Get it? Never mind...... I was wondering that too. Garth Snow, of all people, clued in. An old saying.....never fail to part a fool from his many wives.....or players. |
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Post by seventeen on Jan 26, 2019 14:12:27 GMT -5
I was wondering that too. Garth Snow, of all people, clued in. An old saying.....never fail to part a fool from his many wives.....or players. I thought it was his money you should part. Having said that, wives will often follow the money. Another thought. Keith Gretzky was hired by Boston in 2013, too late to take part in the June Draft, I’d think. They didn’t have a 1st round pick but it was a meh draft for them. In 2014, they picked Pastrnak, Donato and Heinen. In 2015 they chose Debrusk, Carlo and Forsbacks-Karlsson while blowing Zboril and Senyshyn and missing Barzal. In 2016, Gretzky’s last year with Boston they picked Charlie McAvoy and Trent Frederic. Luck? Or skill? Early indications for Edmonton’s choices in 2017 and 2018 are better than they’ve been in the past. The Oilers may have solved a perennial problem. |
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Post by blny on Jan 26, 2019 14:27:21 GMT -5
An old saying.....never fail to part a fool from his many wives.....or players. I thought it was his money you should part. Having said that, wives will often follow the money. Another thought. Keith Gretzky was hired by Boston in 2013, too late to take part in the June Draft, I’d think. They didn’t have a 1st round pick but it was a meh draft for them. In 2014, they picked Pastrnak, Donato and Heinen. In 2015 they chose Debrusk, Carlo and Forsbacks-Karlsson while blowing Zboril and Senyshyn and missing Barzal. In 2016, Gretzky’s last year with Boston they picked Charlie McAvoy and Trent Frederic. Luck? Or skill? Early indications for Edmonton’s choices in 2017 and 2018 are better than they’ve been in the past. The Oilers may have solved a perennial problem. He's in the video above. He was there at the draft for them and took part in the discussions about Seguin vocally. He might not have had much say in the draft, but he was there and he was definitely involved in the decision to trade Seguin. |
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Post by jkr on Jan 27, 2019 8:49:07 GMT -5
All I want to know is why we didn't benefit directly from Chiarelli. If we had Pollock, Chai would be his pet. Chia. Pet. Chai Pet? Get it? Never mind...... The chia pet has more hair than Chiarelli. Only problem is that the hair is green. |
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