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Post by HABsurd on Mar 5, 2019 11:38:06 GMT -5
Phil Myre, Rogatien Vachon and Ken Dryden Attachments:
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Post by CentreHice on Mar 5, 2019 13:03:50 GMT -5
Nice find, HABsurd! I had no idea that Rogie wore #29 when he started with the Habs...then #30, finally to #1. He would last only 1 game in that 1971-72 season. From habseyesontheprizeThe following season, a frustrated Vachon requested a trade after he allowed four goals in his only period of action. Deep down Vachon probably realized that his goaltending future no longer rested with the Canadiens. Vachon had wanted to go to Toronto to play for the Leafs, however, with Bernie Parent and Jacques Plante sharing the goaltending duties, Toronto weren’t interested at that time. Instead, the Canadiens traded him to Los Angeles on November 4th, 1971 for Denis DeJordy, Dale Hoganson, Noel Price, and Doug Robinson. There is at least one inaccuracy in the piece, though. Starting the 1970-71 season, the Vachon and Myre duo were adequate if unspectacular. Though Vachon's numbers were up to par (23-12-9, 2.65), the Canadiens were disatisfied, and called up Ken Dryden late in the season to see what he could bring.
Dryden would play the final six games, winning each one, while allowing only 9 goals against. The rest as they say, is history - and so was Vachon in Montreal.Dryden played only 6 games, and won them all, but not the final 6. There were two big losses to the powerhouse Bruins in the final week in which Dryden did not play. 6-3 at home, and 7-2 in Boston--the last game of the regular season. I recall that one--sickened because I knew we had the Bruins coming up in the quarter-finals. Perhaps coach MacNeil wanted to further inflate the Bruins' confidence and then surprise them with Dryden. Regardless, it worked. Orr is on record as saying that the Bruins took the Habs too lightly that spring. |
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Post by GNick99 on Apr 15, 2019 8:56:50 GMT -5
Nice find, HABsurd! I had no idea that Rogie wore #29 when he started with the Habs...then #30, finally to #1. He would last only 1 game in that 1971-72 season. From habseyesontheprizeThe following season, a frustrated Vachon requested a trade after he allowed four goals in his only period of action. Deep down Vachon probably realized that his goaltending future no longer rested with the Canadiens. Vachon had wanted to go to Toronto to play for the Leafs, however, with Bernie Parent and Jacques Plante sharing the goaltending duties, Toronto weren’t interested at that time. Instead, the Canadiens traded him to Los Angeles on November 4th, 1971 for Denis DeJordy, Dale Hoganson, Noel Price, and Doug Robinson. There is at least one inaccuracy in the piece, though. Starting the 1970-71 season, the Vachon and Myre duo were adequate if unspectacular. Though Vachon's numbers were up to par (23-12-9, 2.65), the Canadiens were disatisfied, and called up Ken Dryden late in the season to see what he could bring.
Dryden would play the final six games, winning each one, while allowing only 9 goals against. The rest as they say, is history - and so was Vachon in Montreal.Dryden played only 6 games, and won them all, but not the final 6. There were two big losses to the powerhouse Bruins in the final week in which Dryden did not play. 6-3 at home, and 7-2 in Boston--the last game of the regular season. I recall that one--sickened because I knew we had the Bruins coming up in the quarter-finals. Perhaps coach MacNeil wanted to further inflate the Bruins' confidence and then surprise them with Dryden. Regardless, it worked. Orr is on record as saying that the Bruins took the Habs too lightly that spring. Canadiens lost 2 hall of fame goalies around then for next to nil in return. Vachon and Tony Esposito |
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Post by GNick99 on Nov 8, 2019 10:43:23 GMT -5
In his book Scotty, Ken Dryden says we almost acquired Marcel Doinne at the 1971 Draft. Sam Pollock was debating heavily rather to take Lafleur or Dionne? He talked to Detriot on the eve of the draft and he could acquire the 2nd overall pick in '71 Draft for Terry Harper, Phil Myre and a prospect. I think it was either Chuck Lefley or Rejean Houle. But Pollock would not make the deal unless everybody was on board. On the draft floor, the Canadiens front office brain trust of Pollock, Ron Caron, Al MacNeil, a scout, Cliff Fletcher and Bowman debated it heavily. At the last second they decided against the trade when Caron was concerned about Dionne's lack of size.
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Post by jkr on Nov 8, 2019 11:29:55 GMT -5
In his book Scotty, Ken Dryden says we almost acquired Marcel Doinne at the 1971 Draft. Sam Pollock was debating heavily rather to take Lafleur or Dionne? He talked to Detriot on the eve of the draft and he could acquire the 2nd overall pick in '71 Draft for Terry Harper, Phil Myre and a prospect. I think it was either Chuck Lefley or Rejean Houle. But Pollock would not make the deal unless everybody was on board. On the draft floor, the Canadiens front office brain trust of Pollock, Ron Caron, Al MacNeil, a scout, Cliff Fletcher and Bowman debated it heavily. At the last second they decided against the trade when Caron was concerned about Dionne's lack of size. So they could have had Lafleur & Dionne? OMG. BTW Nick, I am waiting for a copy of this book from my library. How was it? |
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Nov 8, 2019 12:24:40 GMT -5
In his book Scotty, Ken Dryden says we almost acquired Marcel Doinne at the 1971 Draft. Sam Pollock was debating heavily rather to take Lafleur or Dionne? He talked to Detriot on the eve of the draft and he could acquire the 2nd overall pick in '71 Draft for Terry Harper, Phil Myre and a prospect. I think it was either Chuck Lefley or Rejean Houle. But Pollock would not make the deal unless everybody was on board. On the draft floor, the Canadiens front office brain trust of Pollock, Ron Caron, Al MacNeil, a scout, Cliff Fletcher and Bowman debated it heavily. At the last second they decided against the trade when Caron was concerned about Dionne's lack of size. So they could have had Lafleur & Dionne? OMG. And had they extended the French Canadian rule * by one more year they'd have probably have opted for Gilbert Perreault ... Cheers. |
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Post by GNick99 on Nov 9, 2019 9:06:52 GMT -5
In his book Scotty, Ken Dryden says we almost acquired Marcel Doinne at the 1971 Draft. Sam Pollock was debating heavily rather to take Lafleur or Dionne? He talked to Detriot on the eve of the draft and he could acquire the 2nd overall pick in '71 Draft for Terry Harper, Phil Myre and a prospect. I think it was either Chuck Lefley or Rejean Houle. But Pollock would not make the deal unless everybody was on board. On the draft floor, the Canadiens front office brain trust of Pollock, Ron Caron, Al MacNeil, a scout, Cliff Fletcher and Bowman debated it heavily. At the last second they decided against the trade when Caron was concerned about Dionne's lack of size. So they could have had Lafleur & Dionne? OMG. BTW Nick, I am waiting for a copy of this book from my library. How was it? I liked the book. Would recommend buying it. Good to always have in your personal library. You can tell it is written by Dryden. Dryden talking about Lafleur's first year "it was a good year for Lafleur, it was also a bad year for Lafleur". Gets on a few of those long winded spiels but not as bad as his earlier books. |
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Post by GNick99 on Nov 9, 2019 9:12:23 GMT -5
So they could have had Lafleur & Dionne? OMG. And had they extended the French Canadian rule * by one more year they'd have probably have opted for Gilbert Perreault ... Cheers. Hockey was a lot more popular in the province of Quebec back then than it is now. Not only did Dionne, Lafleur come out same year, but Martin went 5th in the same draft and win Calder. Caron costs us Dionne. Also costs us Bossy. At the '71 Draft, Sam Pollock says "if we draft Dionne and Lafleur, we have the next Beliveau and Geoffrion for the next 10 years". Caron goes no we don't, Dionne's lack of size. Detriot must have liked Harper. As Dionne was traded for him just a few years later. Hard to believe how close we were to even better team. Imagine adding Bossy and Dionne to the '70s Habs? |
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Nov 9, 2019 14:14:54 GMT -5
Hard to believe how close we were to even better team. Imagine adding Bossy and Dionne to the '70s Habs? Interesting you mention Mike Bossy ... The Rocket told the MTL organization that he was the most natural scorer he'd seen in years and that they'd be best to draft him ... they took Mark Napier at #10 and the Islanders snapped up Bossy with the 15th pick ... the Habs had another 1st round pick and they chose Norm Dupont ... John Tonelli went to the Islanders late in the 2nd round; however, the Habs managed to select Rod Langway with the last pick (#54) of the round ... after that they managed to draft Richard Sevigny with the last pick of the 7th round ... see, hockeydb.com; 1977 NHL Amateur Draft Picks * ... interesting how the Bossy selection panned out ... here's Al Arbour's reasoning on selecting him * ... "Bill Torrey went back to Al Arbour and said, 'Here's our choice,'" Craig Button said. "'We can take this guy, he's a really good two-way player, more of a defensive player, really knows how to check. Or we can get this guy, he might be a prolific scorer at the NHL level, but his defense isn't good.' Al Arbour said to Bill Torrey, 'Let's take the scorer, I can teach him to check. I can't teach the checker how to score.'"Cheers. |
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Post by GNick99 on Nov 10, 2019 9:15:04 GMT -5
Hard to believe how close we were to even better team. Imagine adding Bossy and Dionne to the '70s Habs? Interesting you mention Mike Bossy ... The Rocket told the MTL organization that he was the most natural scorer he'd seen in years and that they'd be best to draft him ... they took Mark Napier at #10 and the Islanders snapped up Bossy with the 15th pick ... the Habs had another 1st round pick and they chose Norm Dupont ... John Tonelli went to the Islanders late in the 2nd round; however, the Habs managed to select Rod Langway with the last pick (#54) of the round ... after that they managed to draft Richard Sevigny with the last pick of the 7th round ... see, hockeydb.com; 1977 NHL Amateur Draft Picks * ... interesting how the Bossy selection panned out ... here's Al Arbour's reasoning on selecting him * ... "Bill Torrey went back to Al Arbour and said, 'Here's our choice,'" Craig Button said. "'We can take this guy, he's a really good two-way player, more of a defensive player, really knows how to check. Or we can get this guy, he might be a prolific scorer at the NHL level, but his defense isn't good.' Al Arbour said to Bill Torrey, 'Let's take the scorer, I can teach him to check. I can't teach the checker how to score.'"Cheers. Oh I don't know. Just what Dryden had in his book. Quote from Scotty was Claude Ruel, who was Bowman's assistant coach in '77, went to a Laval game and told Sam Pollock to check this Bossy kid out there. It was the first time a player has taken him out of his seat since Guy Lafleur. Ronnie Caron who was chief scout at the time, didn't like it. He told Ruel to look after his end of things and he would look after his. Ruel backed down. On Langway and others. Pollock changed his development style after expansion. He used the college system as a development league. Back in the '70s, there was no limit on how many draft choices a team could make. So he took many late round shot in the dark type choices. Left them in college for a few years to see how they turned out. How we got Langway. Along with Engblom, Bill Nyrop, Nilan and others. |
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Post by GNick99 on Nov 15, 2019 8:46:44 GMT -5
Wasn't going to come on here for a few days. Stopped in and been here for 10 minutes. While my business needs me. Same as at work, once somebody ask me something about hockey, gets me to thinking. Oh well, one more quick thought and I won't be back for a while.
In Dryden's book, Scotty does a break down of the 8 best teams he has seen. Their pros and cons, then pits them head to head. He ranks the '77 Canadiens as the best team he has seen. Only by a slight margin over the '52 Red Wings. The '56 Habs were beat out early.
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