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Post by Douper on Jul 27, 2006 11:59:06 GMT -5
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Post by Habs_fan_in_LA on Jul 27, 2006 13:07:20 GMT -5
Where is Price?
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Post by habmeister on Jul 27, 2006 14:07:09 GMT -5
downie is a little punk. he will fit in perfect with bobby clarke's crew. he did nothing at the memorial cup, and probably blindsided gui with a cheap shot. carey price is at the camp. click the 2006 summer camp link on tsn link above.
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Post by montreal on Jul 27, 2006 14:16:08 GMT -5
downie is a little punk. he will fit in perfect with bobby clarke's crew. he did nothing at the memorial cup, and probably blindsided gui with a cheap shot. carey price is at the camp. click the 2006 summer camp link on tsn link above. They were linemates so it was likely an accident. |
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Post by Gogie on Jul 27, 2006 14:43:12 GMT -5
downie is a little punk. he will fit in perfect with bobby clarke's crew. he did nothing at the memorial cup, and probably blindsided gui with a cheap shot. carey price is at the camp. click the 2006 summer camp link on tsn link above. They were linemates so it was likely an accident. LOL From TSN: "Latendresse was injured in the first period following a collision with Red teammate Steve Downie." Maybe Downie was doing some planning for the future. |
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Post by IamCanadiens on Jul 27, 2006 19:02:44 GMT -5
Revenge for the Primeau incident ;D
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Post by Skilly on Jul 27, 2006 20:02:45 GMT -5
Montreal management would be wise to get him in a Habs jersey before he gets himself eriously injured trying to "prove himself". We know that tearing up the pre-season isnt enough .... do we wait until it is too late?
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Post by Habs_fan_in_LA on Jul 27, 2006 20:31:17 GMT -5
Montreal management would be wise to get him in a Habs jersey before he gets himself eriously injured trying to "prove himself". We know that tearing up the pre-season isnt enough .... do we wait until it is too late? Latendresse and Chipchura are our powerforwards-in-waiting. It seems they are always getting hurt in freak accidents. Brittle powerforwards??? |
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Jul 28, 2006 14:04:24 GMT -5
First concussion during the playoffs this spring.
Second concussion this week at the WJC camp.
Not a good trend, let's hope he is okay since his style of play is going to invite lots of physical contact. I am glad that this is all being done for precautionary purposes and that he will get to see the Habs' medical staff right away.
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Post by Bob on Jul 28, 2006 14:19:46 GMT -5
Montreal management would be wise to get him in a Habs jersey before he gets himself eriously injured trying to "prove himself". We know that tearing up the pre-season isnt enough .... do we wait until it is too late? Where is the logic in that?  Should none of our prospects play this year in case they get hurt before playing with the Habs. If he is going to get hurt playing junior he will have just as good a chance of getting hurt in the NHL. |
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Post by Skilly on Jul 28, 2006 22:07:42 GMT -5
Montreal management would be wise to get him in a Habs jersey before he gets himself eriously injured trying to "prove himself". We know that tearing up the pre-season isnt enough .... do we wait until it is too late? Where is the logic in that? Should none of our prospects play this year in case they get hurt before playing with the Habs. If he is going to get hurt playing junior he will have just as good a chance of getting hurt in the NHL. You show me one of our "prospects" that was in the top three in scoring during the preseaon on the Habs against mainly NHL competition?? Fact is that Latendresse did everything humanly possible to make the club last year as an 18 yr old. There was more than one 18 yr old playing last year in the NHL. The club send him back to junior. At the time I made the comment if he gets injured trying to do too much (because what he did in the preseason was amaxing and yet not enough) or if he suffers a set back because he feels slighted ..... then we may never see the same Latendresse in a Habs jersey. One year later ... a very slow start to his QMJHL season (in which he says not making the club hurt him), 2 concussions, ......hmmmmm? Will the same Latendresse emerge? He made the club last year, on any other team he grows as an NHLer. I am not saying get every prospect with the club asap or we risk not getting a benefit ... I am saying when a prospect shows he can contribute at an NHL level don't send him back to "develop" when there is no more developing to be done .... that does risk losing him. Lets neglect waiver rules .... would you want Koivu rehabbing down in the AHL? Obviously no ... he is NHL ready and we risk losing him. Latendresse was NHL ready ...and we could have lost the gamble by giving his spot to Sundstrom, if the same Latendresse does not come back from the injuries. |
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Post by Bob on Jul 29, 2006 10:40:46 GMT -5
There are a couple of reasons whey Latendresse didn't make the Habs last year and the same thing probably applies this year.
#! - The new CBA makes it disadvantageous to develop players in the NHL. It is to the club's benefit if he develops in junior and then they can hold on to him for seven years as a contributing player.
$2 - He wasn't ready. Physically he showed a fair amount over a three week period but three weeks isn't a season and management obviously thought he needed more seasoning. In his case, the seasoning wasn't physical it was mental. Part of player development is buckling down and showing mental toughnees. I think the Habs would have preferred an "i'll show them attitude" rather than "I should have made the team and now I am going to pout". Think about how Michael Ryder got to the NHL If he would have rested on his laurel for even one minute he would be back in Newfoundland doing who knows what.
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Post by habmeister on Jul 29, 2006 18:13:56 GMT -5
i think its a lot more likely that a junior will get injured in the nhl than in junior, i don't get it. look at brule, he had two major injuries in the nhl in 7 games and went back to junior and played 30+ without injury. if a player isn't physically ready to play his game in the nhl (lats game entails getting in the corners and initiating contact) then they should not come up until they are physiccally mature enough to do so.
the risk of injury in a world junior camp is not as high as in an nhl camp, where a guy who weighs a lot more than downey lines you up for a hit to take your spot.
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Post by Skilly on Jul 30, 2006 13:39:11 GMT -5
Explain to me how last year Latendresse was not a) physically ready or b) mentally ready?
He was third on the team in scoring, dominant in front of the net, and managed to get Bonk to lead the team in preseason scoring with something like 11 or 13 points. That sounds like he was physically ready. And mentally? The only thing Latendresse was not mentally ready for was being told he wasn't good enough to make a team where he was a contributing factor to the club's preseason success. Last year he was ready .... in every facet.
Imagine Pittsburgh telling Crosby they were sending him back to Rimouski because they wanted him in Pittsburgh when he was a 26-27 year old. Montreal takes too long to develop any prospects ..... Ryder developed in spite of the way he was developed not because of the way he was developed. Would you like to see all our prospects toiling in the ECHL?
So we are now in the practice of instilling lack of confidence in our prospects and hoping they fight through that? Like I said last year, after the NHL preseason Lats had the only way he could impress anybody was to dominate in the Q, anything less is hindering his development because he was a man among boys ..... he was ready for the NHL last year and what we did to him was not good for his development one bit. Now he suffers two injuries to the head and we may never get the same guy in a Habs uniform ... last thing we need is for him to turn into a Dagenais.
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Post by habmeister on Jul 30, 2006 16:46:51 GMT -5
Explain to me how last year Latendresse was not a) physically ready or b) mentally ready? He was third on the team in scoring, dominant in front of the net, and managed to get Bonk to lead the team in preseason scoring with something like 11 or 13 points. That sounds like he was physically ready. And mentally? The only thing Latendresse was not mentally ready for was being told he wasn't good enough to make a team where he was a contributing factor to the club's preseason success. Last year he was ready .... in every facet. Imagine Pittsburgh telling Crosby they were sending him back to Rimouski because they wanted him in Pittsburgh when he was a 26-27 year old. Montreal takes too long to develop any prospects ..... Ryder developed in spite of the way he was developed not because of the way he was developed. Would you like to see all our prospects toiling in the ECHL? So we are now in the practice of instilling lack of confidence in our prospects and hoping they fight through that? Like I said last year, after the NHL preseason Lats had the only way he could impress anybody was to dominate in the Q, anything less is hindering his development because he was a man among boys ..... he was ready for the NHL last year and what we did to him was not good for his development one bit. Now he suffers two injuries to the head and we may never get the same guy in a Habs uniform ... last thing we need is for him to turn into a Dagenais. pre-season is not regular season, in terms of talent of opposition, speed of play, intensity, etc........there are many players that have good starts, brian savage was a hart trophy candidate on halloween every season. look at what lats did in junior, he didn't dominate like he should have. he showed up to world junior camp overweight, all he needed was to be given a free ride to the nhl and a big contract and he would have gotten even lazier. developing prospects in the minors i believe is at the utmost importance now under the new cap rules. with him on our team i don't see us winning anymore games, as i'm sure with his dedication to conditioning he would have faded in late october. he needs to grow up, learn work ethic, and grow as a player, so that we get him in his most productive years. injuries happen, but at the nhl level he would have been hurt a lot more if it was chris pronger lining him up instead of steve downie. |
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Post by Skilly on Jul 30, 2006 19:15:50 GMT -5
Explain to me how last year Latendresse was not a) physically ready or b) mentally ready? He was third on the team in scoring, dominant in front of the net, and managed to get Bonk to lead the team in preseason scoring with something like 11 or 13 points. That sounds like he was physically ready. And mentally? The only thing Latendresse was not mentally ready for was being told he wasn't good enough to make a team where he was a contributing factor to the club's preseason success. Last year he was ready .... in every facet. Imagine Pittsburgh telling Crosby they were sending him back to Rimouski because they wanted him in Pittsburgh when he was a 26-27 year old. Montreal takes too long to develop any prospects ..... Ryder developed in spite of the way he was developed not because of the way he was developed. Would you like to see all our prospects toiling in the ECHL? So we are now in the practice of instilling lack of confidence in our prospects and hoping they fight through that? Like I said last year, after the NHL preseason Lats had the only way he could impress anybody was to dominate in the Q, anything less is hindering his development because he was a man among boys ..... he was ready for the NHL last year and what we did to him was not good for his development one bit. Now he suffers two injuries to the head and we may never get the same guy in a Habs uniform ... last thing we need is for him to turn into a Dagenais. pre-season is not regular season, in terms of talent of opposition, speed of play, intensity, etc........there are many players that have good starts, brian savage was a hart trophy candidate on halloween every season. look at what lats did in junior, he didn't dominate like he should have. he showed up to world junior camp overweight, all he needed was to be given a free ride to the nhl and a big contract and he would have gotten even lazier. developing prospects in the minors i believe is at the utmost importance now under the new cap rules. with him on our team i don't see us winning anymore games, as i'm sure with his dedication to conditioning he would have faded in late october. he needs to grow up, learn work ethic, and grow as a player, so that we get him in his most productive years. injuries happen, but at the nhl level he would have been hurt a lot more if it was chris pronger lining him up instead of steve downie. You say that after the fact. During preseason NO ONE was saying he should grow up, or he was lazy ... we all thought he was the answer. You are using information Gainey did not have when he cut him in this evaluation. How else do you judge a prospect if not during pre-season? Junior evaluations are hit and miss ... *cough* Corey Locke *cough*. *cough* Wickenheiser *cough* They did not give him a chance to prove he was ready for the NHL ...and before you say anything like he had to prove he could dominate in juniors ... well Gainey could have let him play up to 10 games in the NHL and set him back anyway. I think Gainey was worried that Lats would prove he was NHL ready. And I think the "free agent in 7 yrs" arguement is weak. If he leaves when he is 25 or 26 , that one year isnt going to matter, and we can still get a good return on him. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2006 19:30:44 GMT -5
The problem is, if Lats doesn't turn out the way he should have, what do you do with him? You can't send him down to the AHL because of age requirements. Are you just going to bench him for the rest of the season?
The Habs brass thought that he would be better playing top-line minutes as opposed to playing bottom-feeder seconds. I'm pretty sure the playing of Plekanec and Perezhogin made the decision much more difficult.
I can neither agree nor disagree with his demotion. The Habs Brass knows more than we do. For all we know, he was cocky and very lazy in his own zone.
I recall Marcel Hossa having a good camp, too. How many points did he get with the Rangers?
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Should none of our prospects play this year in case they get hurt before playing with the Habs. If he is going to get hurt playing junior he will have just as good a chance of getting hurt in the NHL.