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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Jun 29, 2019 18:40:29 GMT -5
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Post by franko on Jun 29, 2019 18:49:11 GMT -5
and yet another trade for which I ask "why?"
I get Pittsburgh's salary dump, but why would Arizona want him -- aren't they near enough the floor? what's the sweetener -- inquiring minds want to know.
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Post by blny on Jun 29, 2019 19:05:18 GMT -5
PO Joseph and Galchenyuk going the other way.
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Post by blny on Jun 29, 2019 19:05:30 GMT -5
Kessel and a 4th to Yotes.
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Jun 29, 2019 19:12:29 GMT -5
PO Joseph and Galchenyuk going the other way.
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Post by jkr on Jun 29, 2019 19:32:33 GMT -5
So with Crosby & Malkin there I guess Galchenyuk won't be playing center.  But seriously, why would Arizona take on a veteran & part with 2 young players? Not sure what they are doing there. |
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Post by blny on Jun 29, 2019 19:37:31 GMT -5
So with Crosby & Malkin there I guess Galchenyuk won't be playing center. But seriously, why would Arizona take on a veteran & part with 2 young players? Not sure what they are doing there. 32 years old and 3 years left at $9.5 million. Malkin might be a guy that garners interest. Not saying it's likely but if the Pens were to retool he'd be a great player to move as well as Kessel. Difference being they'd get very good value for Geno. Galch plays behind Sid and learns. If they keep both through a retool, then no he doesn't play center. |
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Post by Tankdriver on Jun 29, 2019 19:54:41 GMT -5
There are other parts to the deal. I think Pittsburgh did okay here.
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Post by folatre on Jun 29, 2019 19:54:50 GMT -5
Well, both teams are revamping to some degree. Arizona getting older but I guess it says they want to build on a half-way positive season and push for the playoffs.
Galchenyk is basically on a one-year audition (probably on Malkin's line along with Rust). Pierre Olivier Joseph, he was a first rounder but I'm not really sure how he projects down the line. Common sense says he probably needs a couple of years of professional hockey so it is not like he offers the Penguins anything right now.
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Post by jkr on Jun 29, 2019 19:57:13 GMT -5
So with Crosby & Malkin there I guess Galchenyuk won't be playing center. But seriously, why would Arizona take on a veteran & part with 2 young players? Not sure what they are doing there. 32 years old and 3 years left at $9.5 million. Malkin might be a guy that garners interest. Not saying it's likely but if the Pens were to retool he'd be a great player to move as well as Kessel. Difference being they'd get very good value for Geno. Galch plays behind Sid and learns. If they keep both through a retool, then no he doesn't play center. Your Malkin scenario makes sense to me. But I can't see why Arizona makes this deal - giving up youth for a veteran scorer. Are they going for a playoff spot? I would have thought they could have done Pitt a favor without giving up a roster player. |
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Post by blny on Jun 29, 2019 20:11:32 GMT -5
32 years old and 3 years left at $9.5 million. Malkin might be a guy that garners interest. Not saying it's likely but if the Pens were to retool he'd be a great player to move as well as Kessel. Difference being they'd get very good value for Geno. Galch plays behind Sid and learns. If they keep both through a retool, then no he doesn't play center. Your Malkin scenario makes sense to me. But I can't see why Arizona makes this deal - giving up youth for a veteran scorer. Are they going for a playoff spot? I would have thought they could have done Pitt a favor without giving up a roster player. From the Arizona pov, it makes little sense to me either. |
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Jun 29, 2019 21:13:02 GMT -5
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Post by franko on Jun 29, 2019 21:36:30 GMT -5
Your Malkin scenario makes sense to me. But I can't see why Arizona makes this deal - giving up youth for a veteran scorer. Are they going for a playoff spot? I would have thought they could have done Pitt a favor without giving up a roster player. From the Arizona pov, it makes little sense to me either. absolutely ridiculous move. |
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Post by habsburgher on Jun 29, 2019 22:42:52 GMT -5
To Pittsburgh
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Post by PTH on Jun 30, 2019 1:53:05 GMT -5
I'm kind of annoyed that a guy like PO Joseph got moved when a lefty local D would be a great fit with our Habs...
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Post by franko on Jun 30, 2019 7:34:42 GMT -5
interesting perspective. most reports lead with Kessel being traded. but you know . . . |
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Post by BadCompany on Jun 30, 2019 7:40:28 GMT -5
I think it's a pretty good deal for everyone.
* Pittsburgh dumps salary and still manages to get a 30+ goal scorer AND a recent 1st round pick who should be ready in a year or two.
* Arizona gets a guy who is coming off an 82 point season, and while that came from playing on Malkin's wing, Kessel has the ability to do that on his own too. $6.9 million is not that much considering what's going around now and three more years is great cost certainty. He doesn't even have a signing bonus this year (though the next two years are big). He should really help Keller develop.
* Kessel gets to go to a place where nobody knows him, and nobody cares to. Sure, he'll be "the man" again, but it's not like he will have 60 microphones stuck in his face after every game. Or as was the case in Toronto, after every practice. He can be star hockey player on the ice, and a nobody off it. It's the best possible solution for him.
* The real winner is Alex Galchenyuk though. Entering his UFA year and he gets traded to a team that is going to put him on Malkin's wing?? KA-CHING!! 30 goals should be easy. 40 is not out of the question. He's looking at north of $7 million next summer, easily. Which almost certainly wouldn't have happened had he of stayed in the desert.
I think this works for all.
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Post by jkr on Jun 30, 2019 7:45:12 GMT -5
Maybe we can have 2 threads on this, one from each perspective. |
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Post by CentreHice on Jun 30, 2019 8:04:26 GMT -5
Which begs the question: "Why?" Great money. Tons of scoring support. 2 Cups. A strong Smythe candidate to boot. I notice that he was a -19 last year, and Malkin was -25. Was there frustration with them at even-strength? Line mates most of the time, no? Perhaps Sullivan saw a slide in play and wasn't too happy about it. Kessel's "character" has been brought into question before. Rutherford made a good move here, if that was indeed the case. At any rate, I somehow doubt Phil asked to be moved to Arizona. Ha! Right back into carrying the mail. Will it be snail or FedEx? Meanwhile, Chucky has a chance to be the Pens' next supportive sniper. |
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Post by CentreHice on Jun 30, 2019 8:10:25 GMT -5
MOD NOTE: I merged posts from habsburgher's thread into this one, which had been started a few hours earlier.
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Post by BadCompany on Jun 30, 2019 8:30:18 GMT -5
At any rate, I somehow doubt Phil asked to be moved to Arizona. Ha! Or maybe Phil did ask to move to Arizona. He's got his Cups, he's getting his money... Why not go to a place where nobody knows your name? |
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Post by CentreHice on Jun 30, 2019 8:49:28 GMT -5
At any rate, I somehow doubt Phil asked to be moved to Arizona. Ha! Or maybe Phil did ask to move to Arizona. He's got his Cups, he's getting his money... Why not go to a place where nobody knows your name? I don't think that's the "Kessel" Chayka thinks he's getting. But if so, it would speak to Kessel's character--with the goal being an easier road on which to ride into the sunset. Yotes' fans/media got really excited about their late run. They were right there a la the Habs in terms of vying for their last WC spot. If I'm getting Phil "Meh"ssel, I'm not impressed. |
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Post by Cranky on Jun 30, 2019 13:04:58 GMT -5
Galchy sounds too much for 32 old Kessel who at the best of times was always a burger short of a full stomach.
But....
Maybe Galchys non-hockey problems never went away.
Weird trade that may have some backstory....
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Post by CentreHice on Jun 30, 2019 13:36:44 GMT -5
MOD NOTE: Merged Tankdriver's "Kessel/Galchenyuk" thread with this one, which started earlier.
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