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Post by blny on Jul 19, 2019 14:43:26 GMT -5
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Post by blny on Jul 19, 2019 14:49:26 GMT -5
Players are both 31. Both have 4 years left on their deals. Lucic makes 250k more on the cap, but his actual salary drops over the duration.
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Post by blny on Jul 19, 2019 15:10:39 GMT -5
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Jul 19, 2019 15:24:59 GMT -5
Did not think the Oilers would get a taker for that contract without having to throw an asset into the mix. Guess we will see what the conditional pick is as the two remaining contracts are close to a wash.
You have to think that Neal has a better chance of having a bigger bounce back and impact for the Oil than Lucic does for the Flames. That's my humble view anyway.
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Post by blny on Jul 19, 2019 15:29:00 GMT -5
Did not think the Oilers would get a taker for that contract without having to throw an asset into the mix. Guess we will see what the conditional pick is as the two remaining contracts are close to a wash. You have to think that Neal has a better chance of having a bigger bounce back and impact for the Oil than Lucic does for the Flames. That's my humble view anyway. That would appear to be the bet the Oilers are making. Ten 20 goal seasons for Neal. That ain't nothing. He'll be playing with a couple of excellent centers. |
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Post by duster on Jul 19, 2019 15:47:21 GMT -5
Kudos to Holland for pulling this off. I was certain that Lucic was untradeable without a considerable sweetener. Not sure how he'll fit in the Calgary lineup. What are the Flames thinking?
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Jul 19, 2019 15:47:36 GMT -5
Some more fodder on this move.
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Post by folatre on Jul 19, 2019 15:53:04 GMT -5
I assume Edmonton is retaining $125,000. I have not heard what kind of a pick the Oilers are giving up to get rid of Lucic. I may be wrong, but I anticipate it is not much.
Neal should be happy, I guess. Since after he stunk for half the season, the Flames stopped giving him top six work.
As a quick take, it may seem like Edmonton wins the trade. But really, the fact that Neal can only get you Lucic and probably a mid-round pick tells you that Neal basically has negative value as a hockey asset.
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Post by blny on Jul 19, 2019 19:19:20 GMT -5
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Post by blny on Jul 19, 2019 20:15:45 GMT -5
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Post by folatre on Jul 19, 2019 22:23:56 GMT -5
Thanks, blny. Well, that is not an insignificant retention ($750,000 per for four seasons). This essentially makes Neal a $6.5 million dollar anchor for four years while Lucic becomes a 5.25 million dollar black hole.
The third rounder does not seem important in my view. If Neal plays well in 2019-20, I suppose Edmonton will not be too upset about giving up the pick.
What I still do not have 100 percent clarity on is whether Lucic waived or is even allowed under CBA rules to waive his NMC. Because I cannot fathom why Calgary accepts to be stuck protecting him in the expansion draft.
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Post by seventeen on Jul 20, 2019 0:51:29 GMT -5
Good question on the NMC. I wonder if the player waives it at all, it nullifies it?
I read an Eric Duhatschek article about a week ago where he suggested this very trade. I should go burgle his crystal ball as it's working better than mine. He made a very good argument for Calgary getting Lucic and that was the Flames being bounced by Colorado. It is felt that Gaudreau's poor performance (1 point in 5 games) was due to not having a Dave Semenko around. Lucic provides some of that. Someone somewhere mentioned they were both 31, but that's misleading. Neal will be 32 in Sept while Lucic won't turn 32 till next June. In hockey years, that's pretty well one year older for Neal. I think both teams will benefit and both players will probably appreciate being in another city.
My opinion of Ken Holland for quite some time was that he was overrated. He certainly lived off 3 lucky draft picks in his time in Detroit. I think I underestimated, though, how much interference Ted Ilitch's son may run on Holland. There was real pressure to make the playoffs (to achieve that 25 year running record).
His work so far in Edmonton has been pretty good. The big problems were some of the contracts that Chiarelli gave out (I say some, because he also did well with others, like Draisaitl). But Holland has more than a few bad signings to work out. Eight Oilers have contracts expiring next July 1, so Holland will have a lot of space freed up to extend Nurse and any other core players.
Anyway, it seems like he's been rejuvenated. A change is better than a rest.
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Post by GNick99 on Jul 20, 2019 6:54:08 GMT -5
I can't see anyway Oilers lose this trade. For Lucic looked done there and his contract was terrible. Even if Neal doesn't do much, they can buy him out at least
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Post by folatre on Jul 20, 2019 10:44:33 GMT -5
I agree that Neal is likelier to see at least some modest resurgence in his offensive production so Edmonton should "win the trade."
The only thing that I would worry about is Neal's propensity to get on poorly with coaches, teammates, auxiliary staff, refs, etc. It was much discussed during his days in Pittsburgh that Neal can be a surly character with more than a mildly prickly personality. Despite the fact that I cannot stand Lucic from his days in Boston, teammates seem to praise him for being a hard worker and a good friend.
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