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Post by folatre on Jul 30, 2019 13:24:36 GMT -5
Well, Minnesota certainly does not look like an organization moving in the right direction. It seems like Fenton did not receive enough for Niederreiter, Granlund, and Coyle. And signing Zuccarello for the course of his age 32-36 seasons at $6 million per looks like a reach.
But for as bad an initial 14 months as Fenton had on the job, firing a guy after only one season is peculiar. Leipold is known as a very involved owner and maybe he wants to redefine the plan, whatever that may be. My guess would be that Leipold is not open to full scale rebuild and he is pissed off that the team is not competitive on the ice despite having a lot of high priced vets.
It is funny that Fletcher was dismissed after making the playoffs six seasons consecutively and now Fenton gets fired after one season.
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Post by blny on Jul 30, 2019 13:39:17 GMT -5
I think Fenton was stuck between a rock and a hard place. He's got those cap circumvention contracts of Parise and Suter to deal with. It's an older club.
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Post by folatre on Jul 30, 2019 13:46:38 GMT -5
I hear Chiarelli and Snow are looking for work, jejeje.
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Post by folatre on Jul 30, 2019 15:44:34 GMT -5
Seriously, though, the next GM of the Wild is inheriting a core who in their moment was good but not good enough to win playoff series.
And like you say blny, Fenton was handicapped by Parise and Suter's contracts as well the working premise from ownership that the window for winning had to be kept open since those top guys and their contracts are not going anywhere. And now his replacement will be similarly handicapped.
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Post by jkr on Jul 30, 2019 15:55:32 GMT -5
I wish Molson had some of Leopold's impatience.
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Post by folatre on Aug 4, 2019 11:41:35 GMT -5
Some of the names surfacing would terrify me I was a Minnesota fan. Thus far I have heard Chiarelli (already got a sit down with ownerhsip), Snow, Lawton, Drury, and Mellanby.
I guess just for the sake of tying this theme more closely to the Habs, who replaces Mellanby if he were to get the Wild job? I would assume that he has to be replaced because right now there is not so much front office fat/redundancy as there was when Dudley departed.
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Post by Willie Dog on Aug 4, 2019 14:19:24 GMT -5
Some of the names surfacing would terrify me I was a Minnesota fan. Thus far I have heard Chiarelli (already got a sit down with ownerhsip), Snow, Lawton, Drury, and Mellanby. I guess just for the sake of tying this theme more closely to the Habs, who replaces Mellanby if he were to get the Wild job? I would assume that he has to be replaced because right now there is not so much front office fat/redundancy as there was when Dudley departed. Maybe Molson tells MB tough luck, you pick up the slack |
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Post by folatre on Aug 4, 2019 15:25:11 GMT -5
That is harsh, man. Joking aside, the two assistant GMs structure is the norm around the league.
It is not that I think Mellanby is going to get the Minnesota job, but if he is even interviewing Molson and Bergevin should be reviewing their internal 'talent bench' as well as thinking about external targets. What is on hand internally?
Crawford? I sure hope not. Churla? He would seem to cover much the same area of expertise as Timmins. One of the Carriere? Dear Lord, no. Lapointe? It would not surprise me but I would not be thrilled.
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Post by seventeen on Aug 4, 2019 20:06:53 GMT -5
Crawford? I sure hope not. Churla? He would seem to cover much the same area of expertise as Timmins. One of the Carriere? Dear Lord, no. Lapointe? It would not surprise me but I would not be thrilled. I'm sure Philly would let Therrien out of his contract. I thought I heard Hextall was also being interviewed and he'd easily be my choice. Course, I don't have the time of day for many NHL 'people', so I doubt they think much of my opinion. The Hockey News has Colin Campbell as the 24th most influential person in Hockey. If they are honest, they'd have Jeremy Jacobs as #1 and if so, it doesn't matter in the least who the others are. |
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Post by folatre on Aug 6, 2019 18:21:31 GMT -5
Waddell is meeting with Leipold and he could be a front-runner for the job.
Now the interesting angle in this development is that Waddell's contract with Carolina expired on June 30 and, moreover, Dundon is totally okay with the GM who made some nice moves and was part of the Canes getting to the Conference just walking out the door.
According to Dundon, “I’m not going to pay what other guys pay GMs, so me having a contract with a GM doesn’t really help me. Don in essence has a contract. I already told Don, ‘I’m not going to fire you. If I did, I’d tell you a year in advance.’ My life’s pretty good. I want people to do what’s best for their life. If this is what’s best for Don, the Hurricanes will be fine.”
I assume that I am not the only one who finds Dundon's homespun live and let live philosophy kind of bizarre. On the surface of it, with good results in hand, would it not behoove Carolina to extend (along with a raise) the guy who was willing to be your GM on a one year deal (heck, even Dorion got three years) for the lowest pay of any GM in the league. I guess retaining talent and growing the stock of human capital is overrated in Dundon's business playbook. Is he going to run the team himself? I may be wrong here but seeing this unfold makes me think that Dundon may be reeling a little bit from a liquidity standpoint after handing Aho an $11 mjllion dollar cheque last month and saving a few months of salary for an executive position is a belt-tightening step to lower expenditures at a point of the calendar year the enterprise basically generates zero revenue.
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Post by seventeen on Aug 6, 2019 23:19:07 GMT -5
That makes sense folatre. I don’t care how much money Dundon has access to, it’s more his willingness to spend that money that is critical. It seems that willingness is pretty low, regardless of what he says. Basically he just said he doesn’t need a GM. If so, all the other employees are going to be working longer and harder. They will snap along the way and while there may be some hockey people willing to work for his wages, you get what you pay for and that franchise is headed for near rock bottom (Ottawa takes bottom).
Sheesh. Waddell isn’t even that good and he won’t work for those wages.
That Aho offer sheet was a HUGE wasted opportunity.
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Post by jkr on Aug 7, 2019 6:59:29 GMT -5
In the Marner thread a sentiment I saw expressed was go ahead & do it, even if the Leafs match, it will put them in cap difficulty.
Well this is what has happened in Carolina. IMO this is in part the effect of the Aho offer sheet.
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Post by Habs_fan_in_LA on Aug 7, 2019 12:55:08 GMT -5
Some of the names surfacing would terrify me I was a Minnesota fan. Thus far I have heard Chiarelli (already got a sit down with ownerhsip), Snow, Lawton, Drury, and Mellanby. I guess just for the sake of tying this theme more closely to the Habs, who replaces Mellanby if he were to get the Wild job? I would assume that he has to be replaced because right now there is not so much front office fat/redundancy as there was when Dudley departed. Chiarelli, Snow, Lawton, Drury, Melanby, Dudley? Don’t they have to be French speaking? |
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Post by folatre on Aug 12, 2019 16:32:15 GMT -5
Well, this is kind of funny. Dundon, who only a week ago said no one that ever worked for him needs a contract and if by law/rule a contract is necessary then it should always be a one year contract, has handed Waddell a three-year deal.
Okay, I guess Dundon continues to be on a bit of a learning curve and some of his claims (for me more than a little false bravado in most of them) seem contradictory next to his decisions.
I think the Wild should talk to Hextall, but connecting the dots one may surmise that Hextall probably would not want to work for an owner like Leipold. It is not crazy to ponder that at the rate things are going for Minnesota, Mellanby may very well get an interview this month.
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Post by Tankdriver on Aug 12, 2019 17:41:12 GMT -5
Minnesota wants to win now and Hextall is a good builder. It is not a good fit, even though in my opinion Minny needs to tear it down.
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Post by seventeen on Aug 12, 2019 21:16:07 GMT -5
I guess Waddell figured out that no one else wanted him, so he re-signed with Dundon. You gets what you pays for.
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Post by folatre on Aug 24, 2019 22:32:16 GMT -5
So Bill Guerin is the hire. He has plenty of years of experience as Asst. GM under Rutherford. I am not sure it is fair to park some questionable trades and questionable contracts at Guerin's front door. After all, Rutherford was in charge and he likes to take chances.
Guerin's job will not be easy. Fenton made some bad trades and weakened the team's mid to late 20s talent base. The core of the Wild is well past its prime. Leipold is a hands-on owner who is friendly with the core vets and he may not agree to a full-fledged rebuild. Guerin should probably be very guarded when other GMs call incessantly over the next couple of months because they sense Minnesota is a vulnerable organization right now.
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Post by seventeen on Aug 24, 2019 23:36:12 GMT -5
You certainly can't predict an outcome of a GM from where they came from. Fenton was Poile's right hand man for years and turned out to have poor interpersonal skills. Guerin comes from working with a GM I'd rank anywhere from mediocre to plain awful (but very lucky). How will he turn out?
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