Hall?

[GNick99]

With Jersey off to slow start think they will move him? Habs have the caproom and extra picks and prospect capital to move.

[CentreHice]

Does he have "character" issues?

[folatre]

Jeje, that was part of the rap on him in Edmonton.

In my estimation, Shero is not moving Hall right now. New Jersey is trying to sign Hall and moving him now discourages ticket sales for the Devils and basically means they throw in the towel. Also, there are not many clubs with cap space and the pool of clubs with adequate space expands as the months go by. The timing of a deal for a guy like Hall matters a great deal, the more bidders the better the return.

[blny]

My only concern with Hall has always been health. AGM Fitzgerald has gone down behind the bench to work with players and coaches. If they haven't got things turned around before US Thanksgiving, Hall won't commit to them. Then you can queue up the rumour mill. Would I? No.

1. Injury history.
2. He'll be 28 in November. See #1. It's only going to get worse.
3. The required return will be too much. We've got a strong pool of prospects and burgeoning NHL players. Not enough have taken key roles yet that we can pawn some off for a 28yo ufa-to-be.
4. His next contract is going to be large and given #1 and #2, it's an unworthy risk.

Four years ago, when it was rumoured that Subban for Hall was the deal? Sure.

[franko]

NJ keeps him for a bit longer to see if they can turn it around, but if not bu-bye. back to Edmonton.

[GNick99]

Oct 17, 2019 8:14:05 GMT -5 CentreHice said:

Does he have "character" issues?

He did with the Oilers. Or there were rumours he was a bad egg. Not sure it they are accurate or not. But they had no leadership back then. Weber maybe able to get the best out of him ie. DOmi.

Just so hard to get a star. Opportunity don't come about often. I would build a deal around Tatar.

Can you imagine a top draft pick on this club? A MacKinnon or Kane? This is a good team. Add a star, could be dangerous.

[jkr]

Oct 17, 2019 8:14:05 GMT -5 CentreHice said:

Does he have "character" issues?

It's funny how that stuff comes out after the deal. It's as if the team is trying to justify a questionable deal. It happened when Subban & Seguin were traded.

[seventeen]

Oct 20, 2019 8:33:41 GMT -5 GNick99 said:

Oct 17, 2019 8:14:05 GMT -5 CentreHice said:

Does he have "character" issues?

He did with the Oilers. Or there were rumours he was a bad egg. Not sure it they are accurate or not. But they had no leadership back then. Weber maybe able to get the best out of him ie. DOmi.

Just so hard to get a star. Opportunity don't come about often. I would build a deal around Tatar.

Can you imagine a top draft pick on this club? A MacKinnon or Kane? This is a good team. Add a star, could be dangerous.

Strongly agree, gnick. It's one ingredient we're missing. Gallagher was 38th in scoring last I looked. We need more than that if we're going to go far. We still need another defenseman IMO, but having a guy like Hall up front really adds a scoring threat.

[seventeen]

Oct 20, 2019 10:11:59 GMT -5 jkr said:

Oct 17, 2019 8:14:05 GMT -5 CentreHice said:

Does he have "character" issues?

It's funny how that stuff comes out after the deal. It's as if the team is trying to justify a questionable deal. It happened when Subban & Seguin were traded.

I don't think there were issues. There is always grumbling when a team loses for as long as the Oilers did. Management needs a scapegoat. When a GM makes a trade like that and quite obviously gives up way more in talent than they get coming back, they have to have some excuse reason for it. It's easy to use the 'trouble in the dressing room' thing because no one is going to refute it. 

[GNick99]

Oct 20, 2019 20:08:33 GMT -5 seventeen said:

Oct 20, 2019 8:33:41 GMT -5 GNick99 said:

He did with the Oilers. Or there were rumours he was a bad egg. Not sure it they are accurate or not. But they had no leadership back then. Weber maybe able to get the best out of him ie. DOmi.

Just so hard to get a star. Opportunity don't come about often. I would build a deal around Tatar.

Can you imagine a top draft pick on this club? A MacKinnon or Kane? This is a good team. Add a star, could be dangerous.

Strongly agree, gnick. It's one ingredient we're missing. Gallagher was 38th in scoring last I looked. We need more than that if we're going to go far. We still need another defenseman IMO, but having a guy like Hall up front really adds a scoring threat.

Teams that consistently win have that top draft pick. Usually surround them with a few others picks near the top of other drafts. Star player generally makes others around him better, a near necessity to win.

So, hard to win against teams who have that top draft pick which we don't have. Rather it be Stamkos, Crosby, Ovechkin, Matthews, etc... So much skill we don't have

[GNick99]

Came back here to revisit this. Yesterday glancing thru some stats, noticed DOmi last season was 7th among centers in the league on 5 on 5 play. I think 14th overall. Tied with Giroux I believe. But look at his linemates? Adding a Hall should be a spike in numbers from Domi. Maybe the number #1 Center we need. Could be something special for a line if we call up Caufield at end of year or sign Hall long term

[The Habitual Fan]

I had thought about this too lately with it unlikely Hall is be willing to sign long term with the Devils. Montreal are one of the few teams that could add him to the cap now and I think it would make them a real contender this year. Hall wants to win so if he is on a team that can go deep in the playoffs then he may re-sign and not become a UFA.

The problem is the Devils would likely want the usual 1st round pick, a roster player and a prospect. Montreal won't give up the 1st round pick this year with the draft in Montreal.

Would something like Byron, Brooks and Evans with an additional 2nd round pick if Hall signs be enough?

[blny]

Nov 15, 2019 9:25:47 GMT -5 The Habitual Fan said:

I had thought about this too lately with it unlikely Hall is be willing to sign long term with the Devils. Montreal are one of the few teams that could add him to the cap now and I think it would make them a real contender this year. Hall wants to win so if he is on a team that can go deep in the playoffs then he may re-sign and not become a UFA.

The problem is the Devils would likely want the usual 1st round pick, a roster player and a prospect. Montreal won't give up the 1st round pick this year with the draft in Montreal.

Would something like Byron, Brooks and Evans with an additional 2nd round pick if Hall signs be enough?

Not in my opinion. While I firmly believe the MVP season is a statistical outlier, they're going to want that sort of value. There would be an instant bidding war. IMO you're talking three blue-chip pieces; something like Caufield, Brook/Romanov, and a first. I'm hesitant to give them up for him. Great speed, talented, but issues staying healthy. Some of those issues are self-inflicted, but I'd be wary as he ages. He's now 28. As a UFA, I'd be inclined to make an offer, but he won't be cheap. Anders Lee got 7x7. Panarin got 7x11.62. Taylor is going to fall somewhere in between the two, and it's likely to be closer to Panarin. My guess? In a trade and sign scenario, 8x9.75. In a strict UFA deal, 7x10.5 to 7x11.

[GNick99]

Nov 15, 2019 9:25:47 GMT -5 The Habitual Fan said:

I had thought about this too lately with it unlikely Hall is be willing to sign long term with the Devils. Montreal are one of the few teams that could add him to the cap now and I think it would make them a real contender this year. Hall wants to win so if he is on a team that can go deep in the playoffs then he may re-sign and not become a UFA.

The problem is the Devils would likely want the usual 1st round pick, a roster player and a prospect. Montreal won't give up the 1st round pick this year with the draft in Montreal.

Would something like Byron, Brooks and Evans with an additional 2nd round pick if Hall signs be enough?

Be a lot to give up for sure. Quite a gamble. Maybe it is wrong I don't know. Just no team has won a cup without a #1 center, I imagine there are reasons why. I was thinking take a really good #2 center and put him with right linemates have a #1 center. Why I really wanted Duchene or Aho last summer. Especially Duchene where we never had to give up anything. lol But also because it allows us to flip a top 6 forward for another first pick in this draft.

Looking at his stats, Domi has declined this season. Kind of a fiesty player who had 80 penalty minutes last year he has zero this season. Kind of suprising, do you know why?

[folatre]

Hall's agent is Darren Ferris, so it is likely Hall is hitting the market on July 1. This would hurt Shero's return to a degree, no question. However, it would still take a first round pick, an excellent prospect, and a more marginal prospect.

[Tankdriver]

Nov 22, 2019 12:15:25 GMT -5 folatre said:

Hall's agent is Darren Ferris, so it is likely Hall is hitting the market on July 1. This would hurt Shero's return to a degree, no question. However, it would still take a first round pick, an excellent prospect, and a more marginal prospect.

Which at this point in time is too much for Montreal to be giving up. If we had Hall on our team for nothing, and needed say a top two defenceman, then yes you make that trade for the cup

[seventeen]

All that for a rental. Yikes. Agree with Tankdriver. If we already had either Hall, or already had a top LHD, then you use up some of your young capital. Missing both pieces at this time, though (man, how long has this been going on?) makes it highly risky.

[Cranky]

Nov 22, 2019 12:15:25 GMT -5 folatre said:

Hall's agent is Darren Ferris, so it is likely Hall is hitting the market on July 1. This would hurt Shero's return to a degree, no question. However, it would still take a first round pick, an excellent prospect, and a more marginal prospect.

Just say no!

We are not contenders who are adding one more weapon into our offensive arsenal to get us closer. An excellent prospect and a mid 1st rounder are NHLers of varying degree that we would be giving away for nothing but vain hope.

Pass.

On the other hand, if he signs for 7x7? Sure. But more likely, he will be signed for closer to 9x7 by yet another desperate GM.

Pass again.

[Habs_fan_in_LA]

Nov 15, 2019 10:02:00 GMT -5 blny said:

Nov 15, 2019 9:25:47 GMT -5 The Habitual Fan said:

I had thought about this too lately with it unlikely Hall is be willing to sign long term with the Devils. Montreal are one of the few teams that could add him to the cap now and I think it would make them a real contender this year. Hall wants to win so if he is on a team that can go deep in the playoffs then he may re-sign and not become a UFA.

The problem is the Devils would likely want the usual 1st round pick, a roster player and a prospect. Montreal won't give up the 1st round pick this year with the draft in Montreal.

Would something like Byron, Brooks and Evans with an additional 2nd round pick if Hall signs be enough?

Not in my opinion. While I firmly believe the MVP season is a statistical outlier, they're going to want that sort of value. There would be an instant bidding war. IMO you're talking three blue-chip pieces; something like Caufield, Brook/Romanov, and a first. I'm hesitant to give them up for him. Great speed, talented, but issues staying healthy. Some of those issues are self-inflicted, but I'd be wary as he ages. He's now 28. As a UFA, I'd be inclined to make an offer, but he won't be cheap. Anders Lee got 7x7. Panarin got 7x11.62. Taylor is going to fall somewhere in between the two, and it's likely to be closer to Panarin. My guess? In a trade and sign scenario, 8x9.75. In a strict UFA deal, 7x10.5 to 7x11.

How can they add Hall and stay $9 million under the cap?

[blny]

Nov 24, 2019 0:31:55 GMT -5 Habs_fan_in_LA said:

Nov 15, 2019 10:02:00 GMT -5 blny said:

Not in my opinion. While I firmly believe the MVP season is a statistical outlier, they're going to want that sort of value. There would be an instant bidding war. IMO you're talking three blue-chip pieces; something like Caufield, Brook/Romanov, and a first. I'm hesitant to give them up for him. Great speed, talented, but issues staying healthy. Some of those issues are self-inflicted, but I'd be wary as he ages. He's now 28. As a UFA, I'd be inclined to make an offer, but he won't be cheap. Anders Lee got 7x7. Panarin got 7x11.62. Taylor is going to fall somewhere in between the two, and it's likely to be closer to Panarin. My guess? In a trade and sign scenario, 8x9.75. In a strict UFA deal, 7x10.5 to 7x11.

How can they add Hall and stay $9 million under the cap?

Instead of cracking a joke, how's about explaining why you think Hall is the one to spend the space on?

[Habs_fan_in_LA]

Nov 24, 2019 10:16:54 GMT -5 blny said:

Nov 24, 2019 0:31:55 GMT -5 Habs_fan_in_LA said:

How can they add Hall and stay $9 million under the cap?

Instead of cracking a joke, how's about explaining why you think Hall is the one to spend the space on?

He was a #1 draft pick Taylor/Tyler, lots of excitement and promise. Not a Mathews or Crosby generational. Excellent valuable player when healthy, 28 coming down from peak. Tested on a couple of teams, great player but not a leader. Not the Moses leading to the promised land. No question he is better than anything we have. At what cost?

[Disgruntled70sHab]

Just my opinion, but first Marc Bergevin should find out how much it will take to re-sign Taylor Hall ... then he has figure out how much salary he'll have to move out not only to sign Hall long-term but also to figure out how much cap space he wants as a cushion once everything is all said and done ... that said, it would suck huge if bringing in Hall devastates the cap space we end up like the Leafs* ... anyway, that's the way I'd approach it ... I like having $3-$4 million as a cushion ...

Cheers.

[Disgruntled70sHab]

[Willie Dog]

Nov 25, 2019 16:15:20 GMT -5 Disgruntled70sHab said:

Just my opinion, but first Marc Bergevin should find out how much it will take to re-sign Taylor Hall ... then he has figure out how much salary he'll have to move out not only to sign Hall long-term but also to figure out how much cap space he wants as a cushion once everything is all said and done ... that said, it would suck huge if bringing in Hall devastates the cap space we end up like the Leafs* ... anyway, that's the way I'd approach it ... I like having $3-$4 million as a cushion ...

Cheers.

Molson likes 8 to 10 in cap space...

MB won't do it, it means one of Weber,Petry or Price have to go and we'll have to give up at least 2 top prospects/ELC players

[seventeen]

Hall is the kind of guy Berg should have gone after....say 3 years ago when he was still 24 going on 25. Hall's just turned 28 and that's on the bubble as far as still being able to contribute when the kids are ready to go in 2-3 years. Might be worth it if the cost is low enough and we can re-sign him. Health is a concern, of course, but I'm not worried about his 'character'. He's not an Evander Kane and he drives offense.

[Disgruntled70sHab]

[jkr]

Saw on Sportsnet that Hall was held of last night's game. Maybe the inquiries are getting more serious.

[folatre]

Pagnotta said this morning that St. Louis is very interested in Hall and may be a front runner at this point in time.

Dale Tallon may be feeling the heat from his boss to do whatever it takes to make the playoffs and make some noise in the post season. Ownership there has grown very impatient with the lack of success over the years and after spending big in free agency, Tallon may perceive that if the Panthers somehow miss the playoffs he is going to be shown the door.

[seventeen]

Florida wouldn't surprise me at all. Tons of empty seats at their last game. Not sure who Florida could give up, but they did draft Spencer Knight this summer and the Devs are desperate for a goalie.

If he stays healthy, that would boost Florida's playoff hopes. They already have Huburdeau and Hoffman at LW. Hall on a line with Trochek would be dangerous.

[Cranky]

Dec 14, 2019 15:51:41 GMT -5 seventeen said:

Florida wouldn't surprise me at all. Tons of empty seats at their last game. Not sure who Florida could give up, but they did draft Spencer Knight this summer and the Devs are desperate for a goalie.

If he stays healthy, that would boost Florida's playoff hopes. They already have Huburdeau and Hoffman at LW. Hall on a line with Trochek would be dangerous.

We have a solution if they are desperate....Primeau. Maybe.

I'm wondering.....if Hall signs a decent deal, like 8mx7, weak maybe. The problem here is that Hall is 28 and on the wrong side on the curve. Plus at 34, Price is on the steeper decline of that same curve. So trading Primeau is one of those decisions that can really hurt.

Nah....stay pat. If Hall was 25, or Price was 30, for sure.

................

EDIT....WTF, PK had become a joke? 5 points in 31 games is about the worse contract in the NHL. Is there something wrong with him or is he going to set a record for the worse decline EVER?