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Post by franko on Feb 6, 2020 8:30:47 GMT -5
I don't know, but I think the Leafs made out OK on this. Is Campbell an upgrade on Hutchinson? Probably. Did they pay enough? Not from my perspective -- a so-so player and someone else's 3rd for help in goal and grit? a steal when you're over the barrel.
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Post by jkr on Feb 6, 2020 8:36:18 GMT -5
Wow, over 750 comments on a trade for a backup. Read the first page and not one negative.  Campbell's (he's 28, a year younger than Hutchison) salary is the same as Hutchison this year but more than doubles the next two seasons. Clifford is UFA at the end of the season so he won't be around long. Dubas may have his backup but it's going to cost him an extra million a season. |
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Post by franko on Feb 6, 2020 8:38:11 GMT -5
Wow, over 750 comments on a trade for a backup. Read the first page and not one negative. there are never any negatives with the TML. now that Campbell is on the team the Cup is guaranteed and he'll win the Vezina. [/sarcasm] |
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Post by folatre on Feb 6, 2020 10:17:22 GMT -5
Campbell had a nice 2018-19 season for the Kings. But he is 28 years old with a grand total of 58 games in the league so while he is probably superior to Hutchinson I am not so sure he is actually among the 10-12 stellar backup goalies plying their trade in the NHL.
I got a text from my brother in law this morning basically saying well we have to commend Dubas for addressing two areas of need. That's true. These guys could help them pick up enough points to just qualify for the postseason. However, I am not convinced these pickups (backup goalie and fourth line winger) move the needle at all once in the playoffs.
The price was interesting too. Even if you assume that Moore is not highly valued by the Leafs or anyone around the league, Toronto basically paid a third round pick for a gritty fourth line veteran and another third rounder for a backup goalie with a pretty short track record in the NHL. That is not an outlandish price to pay but it certainly was not a blowout sale price either.
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Post by seventeen on Feb 7, 2020 16:03:56 GMT -5
One can't help but compare the Habs and the Leafs, right? Both have what they consider superior starting goaltending (albeit inconsistent), and sizeable weaknesses at the backup position. Bergevin appears ready to keep going with Lindgren. Dubas went out and got Campbell (poor guy...hope no one thinks hes related to Colon Campbell). Two different judgment calls. I'd rather have Lindgren than Hutchinson, for sure, but it's a good question as to whether you'd prefer Campbell to Lindgren. I probably would.
Not the worst cost for Dubas, either. Clifford might be an underrated acquisition. The only guy on the leafs with any bite, to me, is Muzzin, and there's a huge drop after him. The Leafs are a soft team, and while Clifford on his own won't move the needle, his truculence and willingness to push back might open up a little more room for the skill guys on the team.
You can see the effect with the Bruins especially. Matt Gruel (won't even try spelling his real name) has no trouble hammering Elia Pettersson well after he's played the puck. If Micheal Ferland is on the roster for the Canucks, you can bet your false teeth that he doesn't do that, even if Chara's in the background. It helps to have someone on the team that will provide some natural consequences when the opposition crosses the line. Clifford's not a league heavyweight, but he'll add some courage to that line-up.
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Post by jkr on Feb 8, 2020 6:35:05 GMT -5
One can't help but compare the Habs and the Leafs, right? Both have what they consider superior starting goaltending (albeit inconsistent), and sizeable weaknesses at the backup position. Bergevin appears ready to keep going with Lindgren. Dubas went out and got Campbell (poor guy...hope no one thinks hes related to Colon Campbell). Two different judgment calls. I'd rather have Lindgren than Hutchinson, for sure, but it's a good question as to whether you'd prefer Campbell to Lindgren. I probably would. Not the worst cost for Dubas, either. Clifford might be an underrated acquisition. The only guy on the leafs with any bite, to me, is Muzzin, and there's a huge drop after him. The Leafs are a soft team, and while Clifford on his own won't move the needle, his truculence and willingness to push back might open up a little more room for the skill guys on the team. You can see the effect with the Bruins especially. Matt Gruel (won't even try spelling his real name) has no trouble hammering Elia Pettersson well after he's played the puck. If Micheal Ferland is on the roster for the Canucks, you can bet your false teeth that he doesn't do that, even if Chara's in the background. It helps to have someone on the team that will provide some natural consequences when the opposition crosses the line. Clifford's not a league heavyweight, but he'll add some courage to that line-up. The Leafs had a guy with a real edge who could score - Kadri(on pace for 30 goals). Dubas gave him to the Avs for a rather ordinary d man who happens to be UFA. |
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Post by seventeen on Feb 8, 2020 14:52:25 GMT -5
Yup. The Kadri deal looks like a mistake, talent wise. Kadri has benefited the Avs more than Barrie has helped the Leafs. So far, anyways. Kadri may have been a victim of the Tavares acquisition. One wonders if the Leafs may have been better off trading Matthews for a kings ransom and keeping Kadri. That would have taken guts.
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Post by Cranky on Feb 8, 2020 20:59:22 GMT -5
Yup. The Kadri deal looks like a mistake, talent wise. Kadri has benefited the Avs more than Barrie has helped the Leafs. So far, anyways. Kadri may have been a victim of the Tavares acquisition. One wonders if the Leafs may have been better off trading Matthews for a kings ransom and keeping Kadri. That would have taken guts. Kadri is proving why I wanted him so badly. |
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