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Post by Willie Dog on Apr 19, 2020 12:40:26 GMT -5
Lindgren will be a stud imo... I think this is giving cap room for free like in the drouin deal...
With the 30th, even in a deep draft is still a shot in the dark... a bird in the hand.
I say we take Allen for their 30th, no freebies... because cap room is an asset and the blues are in tight... that's when a smart GM puts the screws to another.
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Post by folatre on Apr 19, 2020 20:15:33 GMT -5
Willie, I have defended Lindgren quite a bit here over the last 2-3 years and feel as though his numbers both in the AHL and with the Canadiens look worse than he actually plays. But I doubt that he is all that highly regarded around the league because he has never gotten enough NHL starts to solidify his profile as a reliable backup. Maybe Armstrong would be interested in a goalie coming back, maybe he wouldn't, I don’t really know what they have in their pipeline.
Gnick, perhaps Bergevin could light the fire and cook something bigger. I would be interested in doing something along the lines of: Allen, Blues' 2020 first round pick, Blais (I would rather have Kostin or Kyrou but that isn't happening), Blues' 2022 third round pick in exchange for Verbeek, Lindgren and returning the Blues their 2020 second round pick this summer.
I know that the above proposal would not be quite the steal that Carolina pulled off taking Marleau straight up for Toronto's first. But the circumstances, at least at this stage, are a little different. Toronto ran out of runway so to speak and Dubas was feeling the clock ticking. Armstrong is not there yet. But I think this would be a solid deal assuming that Montreal's management believes in Allen as a backup for Price and simply does not believe in Lindgren. Obviously if Allen is a total throw-away like Steve Mason the buy out route does not make sense because then Montreal would still looking for the 2020-21 backup and moreover spreading the cap hit into 2021-22 seems like a bad idea because my best guess is that Bergevin is going to leave the Candien pretty jammed up cap wise beginning in 2021-22.
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Post by jkr on Apr 19, 2020 20:32:18 GMT -5
I'd separate those from what I class as high risk moves. High risk involves making a deal without any other pressure on a guy to do so. Trading Weber or Price or Petry for some benefit down the road is a high risk move Subban - Everyone knew Bergevin was trading him. He imposed his own deadline. It wasn't any kind of a risk for him. HE probably didn't care if he got back a family pack of Timbits because PK was gone. Galchenyuk. Same situation except this time, the father was an issue, and Berge was probably convinced Chuck wasn't going to amount to anything worth keeping. That's not a risk. Thats just getting rid of a headache and potential problem. Pacioretty. Once again, there was never any decision to keep the guy. He was gone, gone, gone, like the song lyrics. It was simply what can you get for him. It turned out fine in this case. No....risk is offering 4 first round picks for Sebastian Aho. Or even 2 first rounders, a second and third. There's something to lose. Risk is trading SEth Jones for Ryan Johansen. Poile is hoping Johansen turns out to be the stud centre he needs. Instead, he turns out ordinary and Jones becomes the stud defenseman. It could have gone the other way too. That's risk. In the previous cases, Berg was gaining by subtraction in his mind. Anything you got back was gravy. They were sizeable trades, especially the Subban one, but not high risk ones for Berg. I'm not sure we have that same definition of "risk". You seem to be saying that because he wanted to make those moves they weren't risky, which I would disagree with. Lots of people want to go sky-diving - doesn't mean it's not risky. Subban could have gone on to win multiple Norris Trophies as many (including myself) predicted. Weber could have turned into an "average" defenseman, as some were also predicting. Instead, Weber has outscored Subban in three out of four seasons since the deal, and the latter was recently traded for 7 used pucks and a "we-pay-the-taxes!" coupon to Arbies. That Bergevin's trades have worked out, or that he wanted to do them for whatever his reasons were, does not diminish the risk Bergevin took in making them. How many other GMs have traded their #1 defenseman, their captain, and the organization's highest draft pick in 32 years? In hindsight they have all worked out and seem logical, but they were risky moves nonetheless. It's misleading to talk about the return on the Subban to NJ deal without looking at the reason for the return. Poile didn't want to retain salary. So besides the used pucks & fast food coupons, Poile also got something valuable - 9 million $ in cap space. Some GMs actually realize it's an asset. Say Bergevin put Weber, who will be 35 in August, out there & made it clear he wasn't going to retain any of the 7 years left on his deal. What do you honestly think the return would be?
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Post by GNick99 on Apr 20, 2020 6:17:04 GMT -5
Willie, I have defended Lindgren quite a bit here over the last 2-3 years and feel as though his numbers both in the AHL and with the Canadiens look worse than he actually plays. But I doubt that he is all that highly regarded around the league because he has never gotten enough NHL starts to solidify his profile as a reliable backup. Maybe Armstrong would be interested in a goalie coming back, maybe he wouldn't, I don’t really know what they have in their pipeline. Gnick, perhaps Bergevin could light the fire and cook something bigger. I would be interested in doing something along the lines of: Allen, Blues' 2020 first round pick, Blais (I would rather have Kostin or Kyrou but that isn't happening), Blues' 2022 third round pick in exchange for Verbeek, Lindgren and returning the Blues their 2020 second round pick this summer. I know that the above proposal would not be quite the steal that Carolina pulled off taking Marleau straight up for Toronto's first. But the circumstances, at least at this stage, are a little different. Toronto ran out of runway so to speak and Dubas was feeling the clock ticking. Armstrong is not there yet. But I think this would be a solid deal assuming that Montreal's management believes in Allen as a backup for Price and simply does not believe in Lindgren. Obviously if Allen is a total throw-away like Steve Mason the buy out route does not make sense because then Montreal would still looking for the 2020-21 backup and moreover spreading the cap hit into 2021-22 seems like a bad idea because my best guess is that Bergevin is going to leave the Candien pretty jammed up cap wise beginning in 2021-22. If Blues would do it I could see your deal. Habs need a little size up front and still get a first pick. But it's according to how the cap goes? If no season, nor playoffs has to be major cutback in cap for next year. Even no season be 15% drop in revenue. Hence there were roughly 15% of regular season games left. No playoffs be devastating to revenue. Or, if they play in empty buildings. If no compliance buyouts??? Could be a lot of deals out there??
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Post by The Habitual Fan on Apr 20, 2020 6:56:41 GMT -5
I'm not sure we have that same definition of "risk". You seem to be saying that because he wanted to make those moves they weren't risky, which I would disagree with. Lots of people want to go sky-diving - doesn't mean it's not risky. Subban could have gone on to win multiple Norris Trophies as many (including myself) predicted. Weber could have turned into an "average" defenseman, as some were also predicting. Instead, Weber has outscored Subban in three out of four seasons since the deal, and the latter was recently traded for 7 used pucks and a "we-pay-the-taxes!" coupon to Arbies. That Bergevin's trades have worked out, or that he wanted to do them for whatever his reasons were, does not diminish the risk Bergevin took in making them. How many other GMs have traded their #1 defenseman, their captain, and the organization's highest draft pick in 32 years? In hindsight they have all worked out and seem logical, but they were risky moves nonetheless. It's misleading to talk about the return on the Subban to NJ deal without looking at the reason for the return. Poile didn't want to retain salary. So besides the used pucks & fast food coupons, Poile also got something valuable - 9 million $ in cap space. Some GMs actually realize it's an asset. Say Bergevin put Weber, who will be 35 in August, out there & made it clear he wasn't going to retain any of the 7 years left on his deal. What do you honestly think the return would be? Honestly there are about 20 teams that would give you their 1st pick and top prospect to have Weber. If there were no cap issues Boston, Toronto, Tampa, Vegas, Dallas, Colorado and so on are contenders and would be a better team with Weber.
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Post by jkr on Apr 20, 2020 7:13:11 GMT -5
"If there are no cap issues". That's a gigantic if. Almost every team has issues with the cap. It can't just be waved away.
He's going to be 35. He has seven years left at 7.8 million per. You really think he could get a first and a prospect if Montreal doesn't retain?
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Post by The Habitual Fan on Apr 20, 2020 7:46:48 GMT -5
I do, would you want to face a team like Boston, Tampa, Vegas or Colorado in the finals with Weber added to their lineup? Teams strive to win the cup and look at what is given up at the trade deadline for much lesser player. Teams regularly gamble the future to win now and having a cup win on a GM's record gives him a job for life and his owner's legacy cemented. Knowing you may have to buy out Weber's last 3-4 years would be not anything that would stop a team for now.
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Post by folatre on Apr 20, 2020 10:16:32 GMT -5
Willie, I have defended Lindgren quite a bit here over the last 2-3 years and feel as though his numbers both in the AHL and with the Canadiens look worse than he actually plays. But I doubt that he is all that highly regarded around the league because he has never gotten enough NHL starts to solidify his profile as a reliable backup. Maybe Armstrong would be interested in a goalie coming back, maybe he wouldn't, I don’t really know what they have in their pipeline. Gnick, perhaps Bergevin could light the fire and cook something bigger. I would be interested in doing something along the lines of: Allen, Blues' 2020 first round pick, Blais (I would rather have Kostin or Kyrou but that isn't happening), Blues' 2022 third round pick in exchange for Verbeek, Lindgren and returning the Blues their 2020 second round pick this summer. I know that the above proposal would not be quite the steal that Carolina pulled off taking Marleau straight up for Toronto's first. But the circumstances, at least at this stage, are a little different. Toronto ran out of runway so to speak and Dubas was feeling the clock ticking. Armstrong is not there yet. But I think this would be a solid deal assuming that Montreal's management believes in Allen as a backup for Price and simply does not believe in Lindgren. Obviously if Allen is a total throw-away like Steve Mason the buy out route does not make sense because then Montreal would still looking for the 2020-21 backup and moreover spreading the cap hit into 2021-22 seems like a bad idea because my best guess is that Bergevin is going to leave the Candien pretty jammed up cap wise beginning in 2021-22. If Blues would do it I could see your deal. Habs need a little size up front and still get a first pick. But it's according to how the cap goes? If no season, nor playoffs has to be major cutback in cap for next year. Even no season be 15% drop in revenue. Hence there were roughly 15% of regular season games left. No playoffs be devastating to revenue. Or, if they play in empty buildings. If no compliance buyouts??? Could be a lot of deals out there?? For sure, the financial carnage is deep and the impact likely to be lasting. Every decision will be filtered even more meticulously through the cap implications. According to the New York Post, Don Fehr told team union reps last week that no resumption of the season means that hockey related revenue will drop $1 billion for 2019-20 compared to 2018-19; and that resuming for the playoffs without fans would still mean a $550 million drop. Pierre Lebrun thinks that the players will actually be lucky if the cap is frozen at $81.5 million for the next three seasons (2020-21, 2021-22, 2022-23). Under that best case scenario, the players essentially start "paying back" the owners for the lost revenue little by little. Even under this best case scenario, there are surely 10-15 clubs that would have to engage in significant reconstructive surgery of their rosters.
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Post by Skilly on Apr 20, 2020 14:05:53 GMT -5
As of today, the Maple Leafs have 16 players signed and 7M in cap space left.
So if they ADD Weber. They are over the cap, and still 6 men short of the roster.
Add into this they are giving us a first rounder. So Dubas is fine with no first rounder in 2 straight seasons, or 2 out of next three if there is some draft lottery ...
Weber’s best value is to Nashville. He is not getting us a first rounder and a prospect.
I find it funny that we got Weber (more so in his prime than now) for supposedly a second rate second round defendeman (if those they sing the praises of Weber and distain of Subban are to be believed) ... and many years later , given similar circumstances (we are not retaining any contract) his value miraculously goes up tenfold
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Post by seventeen on Apr 20, 2020 14:30:45 GMT -5
It's misleading to talk about the return on the Subban to NJ deal without looking at the reason for the return. Poile didn't want to retain salary. So besides the used pucks & fast food coupons, Poile also got something valuable - 9 million $ in cap space. Some GMs actually realize it's an asset. Say Bergevin put Weber, who will be 35 in August, out there & made it clear he wasn't going to retain any of the 7 years left on his deal. What do you honestly think the return would be? Honestly there are about 20 teams that would give you their 1st pick and top prospect to have Weber. If that was the case, I'd be doing that deal tomorrow. Also, if you're looking at the Weber I saw in the last 5 weeks of the season, he's a 3rd pairing guy. He's not the 2009 Shea Weber. It's not the NHL he excelled in. It's so much faster and geared to transition, something Weber is not very good at. It's why Ive been pounding the table to trade him the last 2 years, before the rest of the league clues in. I fear, however, that it's probably too late for that. I very much doubt Weber's difficulties have escaped the notice of the other teams. Seven points in his last 28 games.
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Post by folatre on Apr 20, 2020 16:55:34 GMT -5
If the decision was being made in a vacuum (i.e. not related to player age, contract term, cap hit), Weber is obviously a guy that most teams would like to have. But the reality is these factors weigh on evaluations and decisions.
For me Weber is like Suter and Parise. Parise had 25 goals this year, which would lead the Habs, so would I take him? Well, sure, he must be much more talented than most of the guys on the Habs. But do I want a 35 year old with five more years on his contract that carry a cap hit of $7.538 million? No, of course not. And if Bill Guerin thought I would give him a high pick and one of my A-level prospects, the conversation would turn even more surreal.
Same for Suter. The guy is still a good skater, and good leader, and put up 48 points this season. He is obviously a better player right now than all of the guys Montreal has playing on the left side of the d-corps. But Suter is 35 and just like Parise it is five more years at $7.538 per. I do not believe any team would take that contract full freight and also give you something good in return.
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Post by Habs_fan_in_LA on Apr 21, 2020 0:31:35 GMT -5
As of today, the Maple Leafs have 16 players signed and 7M in cap space left. So if they ADD Weber. They are over the cap, and still 6 men short of the roster. Add into this they are giving us a first rounder. So Dubas is fine with no first rounder in 2 straight seasons, or 2 out of next three if there is some draft lottery ... Weber’s best value is to Nashville. He is not getting us a first rounder and a prospect. I find it funny that we got Weber (more so in his prime than now) for supposedly a second rate second round defendeman (if those they sing the praises of Weber and distain of Subban are to be believed) ... and many years later , given similar circumstances (we are not retaining any contract) his value miraculously goes up tenfold Going by recent history, Molson will trade Weber and find himself at least $8 million under the cap.you can never have enough cap space for deals he wont make.
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Post by GNick99 on Apr 21, 2020 6:54:03 GMT -5
Honestly there are about 20 teams that would give you their 1st pick and top prospect to have Weber. If that was the case, I'd be doing that deal tomorrow. Also, if you're looking at the Weber I saw in the last 5 weeks of the season, he's a 3rd pairing guy. He's not the 2009 Shea Weber. It's not the NHL he excelled in. It's so much faster and geared to transition, something Weber is not very good at. It's why Ive been pounding the table to trade him the last 2 years, before the rest of the league clues in. I fear, however, that it's probably too late for that. I very much doubt Weber's difficulties have escaped the notice of the other teams. Seven points in his last 28 games. Habs could get a big haul for Weber. Unless the cap drops crazy or something. At the trade deadline fans of a team offered me a first, top prospect and average player for Weber. The control is the key hey.
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Post by GNick99 on Apr 22, 2020 6:28:27 GMT -5
Shea Weber was on Hockey Central other day. Good interview. He was talking about Suzuki, etc... Said this year is first year he felt healthy in 3 years. Said he broke his ankle, tried to play with it ended up needing 2 surgeries. Also bragging up Markov. Said he was very good passer and smart player. I never noticed before but each have played 990 games. Each have around 570 points. Weber has 100 goals more though.
Who would you rather have on Canadiens if each were starting their career over?
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Post by GNick99 on Apr 23, 2020 5:45:55 GMT -5
Scandella was on Hockey Central yesterday. The way he talked he wasn't going to re-sign in Montreal. Said he preferred the west style of play. More fitting to his style of play than the east. Liked the grinding, physical. He also said like the mid-west more because of small town atmosphere
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Post by UberCranky on Apr 23, 2020 14:08:36 GMT -5
Shea Weber was on Hockey Central other day. Good interview. He was talking about Suzuki, etc... Said this year is first year he felt healthy in 3 years. Said he broke his ankle, tried to play with it ended up needing 2 surgeries. Also bragging up Markov. Said he was very good passer and smart player. I never noticed before but each have played 990 games. Each have around 570 points. Weber has 100 goals more though. Who would you rather have on Canadiens if each were starting their career over? No comparison. Weber would be next to Big Bird if they were both playing in the same era. Back then they had the big curves and Webers shot would be even more lethal, actually lethal. And at 6'4", 240, the biggest guy in the game. "Big Bird" was huge...but at 6'3" and 220, not that huge now. Weber is bigger then Robinsen. No question, i would take Weber by a huge margin.
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Post by UberCranky on Apr 23, 2020 14:16:54 GMT -5
Scandella was on Hockey Central yesterday. The way he talked he wasn't going to re-sign in Montreal. Said he preferred the west style of play. More fitting to his style of play than the east. Liked the grinding, physical. He also said like the mid-west more because of small town atmosphere No loss. I thought he was a real top 4, turned out he was a "safe" player that was no better then the other bottom six players. Kulak played just as good so as long as Romanov can play bottom six, his loss is irrelevant. Which means....we still have a top 4 hole on left defense.
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Post by seventeen on Apr 24, 2020 0:03:05 GMT -5
Scandella was on Hockey Central yesterday. The way he talked he wasn't going to re-sign in Montreal. Said he preferred the west style of play. More fitting to his style of play than the east. Liked the grinding, physical. He also said like the mid-west more because of small town atmosphere Not that I disagree with Scandella, but a lot was made out of him being a local boy. Momesso's B-I-L? Nephew..something like that. Anyway, in the long run, it didn't seem to carry much weight. So the East is too fast for Marco, huh?
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Post by folatre on Apr 24, 2020 21:27:18 GMT -5
Bergevin showed commendable restraint regarding Scandella. I do not doubt that management liked him and probably offered him a two year deal before he declined and they traded him.
He is a third pair guy unless he is playing with an absolute stud. Luckily for St. Louis, Scandella is playing with a highly mobile beast, Parayko. I mean no disrespect to Weber or Petry, but Parayko is in his prime and for me he is a more complete player than either of them.
I certainly do not blame Scandella for being delighted. He is signed long-term on a contender for as much if not more money than I think he could have found on the open market in what promises to be a bleak summer. Good for him.
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Post by seventeen on Apr 25, 2020 16:49:49 GMT -5
Bergevin showed commendable restraint regarding Scandella. I do not doubt that management liked him and probably offered him a two year deal before he declined and they traded him. He is a third pair guy unless he is playing with an absolute stud. Luckily for St. Louis, Scandella is playing with a highly mobile beast, Parayko. I mean no disrespect to Weber or Petry, but Parayko is in his prime and for me he is a more complete player than either of them. I certainly do not blame Scandella for being delighted. He is signed long-term on a contender for as much if not more money than I think he could have found on the open market in what promises to be a bleak summer. Good for him. Agree. Good for him. What do you think of Armstrong signing him for 4 years at $3MM +? Is that what a 3rd pairing guy is worth these days? Armstrong seems to have valued him higher.
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Post by folatre on Apr 25, 2020 18:47:27 GMT -5
If it were business as usual in the league, I would say the money is about right and maybe St. Louis went a little overboard with the term. But this is not business as usual since the league is going to lose at least $500 million USD this season and $1 billion is entirely possible. Likewise, I think that revenue in 2020-21 is not going to come close to matching what it was in 2018-19. So in this context I do have a hard time understanding what Armstrong is thinking.
I would imagine that the Blues will have to pay to make a couple of hefty contracts go away. Maybe Allen and Steen or Bozak. But hey, Armstrong built a contender and won the Cup so he is probably inclined to think like Chicago's or Pittsburgh's management has in the past and figure that trading picks and pieces is the cost of doing business when you are running with the big dogs.
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Post by GNick99 on Apr 26, 2020 7:30:44 GMT -5
If it were business as usual in the league, I would say the money is about right and maybe St. Louis went a little overboard with the term. But this is not business as usual since the league is going to lose at least $500 million USD this season and $1 billion is entirely possible. Likewise, I think that revenue in 2020-21 is not going to come close to matching what it was in 2018-19. So in this context I do have a hard time understanding what Armstrong is thinking. I would imagine that the Blues will have to pay to make a couple of hefty contracts go away. Maybe Allen and Steen or Bozak. But hey, Armstrong built a contender and won the Cup so he is probably inclined to think like Chicago's or Pittsburgh's management has in the past and figure that trading picks and pieces is the cost of doing business when you are running with the big dogs. Could this signing be a clue St.Louis thinks be some type of rollback?
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Post by folatre on Apr 26, 2020 10:24:21 GMT -5
It is hard to know.
For me if the league believes the financial losses are more or less going to be an isolated phenomenon unique to 2019-20 then it seems likelier that the players "pay back" the 2019-20 lost revenue through three years of a frozen cap and higher than usual escrow. (this is what Pierre LeBrun, Bob McKenzie, and Cam Neely have talked about)
If the league sees the catastrophe of 2019-20 as the beginning of a paradigm shift whereby big revenue losses are expected in 2020-21 then Bettman might try to argue for a 10-20 percent rollback on the entirety of existing contracts in order to help fit clubs under a significantly lower cap ceiling. (this is what Brian Burke raised as a potential outcome of the crisis)
I think that the former scenario is more likely.
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Post by Habs_fan_in_LA on Apr 26, 2020 12:27:00 GMT -5
If Blues would do it I could see your deal. Habs need a little size up front and still get a first pick. But it's according to how the cap goes? If no season, nor playoffs has to be major cutback in cap for next year. Even no season be 15% drop in revenue. Hence there were roughly 15% of regular season games left. No playoffs be devastating to revenue. Or, if they play in empty buildings. If no compliance buyouts??? Could be a lot of deals out there?? For sure, the financial carnage is deep and the impact likely to be lasting. Every decision will be filtered even more meticulously through the cap implications. According to the New York Post, Don Fehr told team union reps last week that no resumption of the season means that hockey related revenue will drop $1 billion for 2019-20 compared to 2018-19; and that resuming for the playoffs without fans would still mean a $550 million drop. Pierre Lebrun thinks that the players will actually be lucky if the cap is frozen at $81.5 million for the next three seasons (2020-21, 2021-22, 2022-23). Under that best case scenario, the players essentially start "paying back" the owners for the lost revenue little by little. Even under this best case scenario, there are surely 10-15 clubs that would have to engage in significant reconstructive surgery of their rosters. I am having a tough time fretting over the revenue, cap and salary paybacks. A friend of mine was informed that her father passed away of corona in a nursing home. My wife is a nurse and my son is a doctor, nuff said. People are out of work. Small businesses are going under. Millions are cooped up at home, frightened. A healthy athlete forced to give back several hundred dollars will never seriously miss a meal or mortgage payment. Cancel the regular irregular season. Forget a Mickey Mouse playoff setup that ends in August with training camp opening in September. Don’t really want to see Bettman smirking, Molson answering selected softball questions or Herb Tarlick’s 20 year plan.
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Post by PTH on Apr 27, 2020 10:18:03 GMT -5
Very. New research is coming out every few days about this. I think that the latter scenario would be smarter overall, but given human nature and the trend of being overly optimistic, I think the former scenario might be more likely. Given the yearly renewal rate in 3 years most contracts will have to be renewed anyways. It's only the Price/Weber type megacontracts that would become massive, truly massive, anchors.
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Post by Willie Dog on Apr 27, 2020 12:39:20 GMT -5
I wonder if, given the current situation and stagnant cap, that they allow a 1 contract buyout with no cap hit or a franchise player designation which has no cap hit.
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Post by franko on Apr 27, 2020 16:43:02 GMT -5
I wonder if . . . they allow a . . . franchise player designation which has no cap hit. moving forward I think this is almost a good idea. almost there still has to be a cost to signing a player . . . maybe a franchise player with a 1/2 cap hit; the franchise designation remains for the duration of the contract, and only 1 such player per team.
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Post by folatre on Apr 27, 2020 21:50:04 GMT -5
Columbus is another club doing a fair amount of business in this period of uncertainty. Kekalainen signed both of his 26 year old goalies to two-year deals (in the process buying a UFA year from each) for very reasonable money.
The Blue Jackets off-season decisions are worth watching because they are very likely a team that Montreal needs to climb over in 2020-21 in order to make the playoffs. It may sound crazy but the reality is that the Habs have not finished above Columbus -- a notoriously low revenue franchise -- in the standings since 2016-17.
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Post by Willie Dog on Apr 28, 2020 4:31:51 GMT -5
I wonder if . . . they allow a . . . franchise player designation which has no cap hit. moving forward I think this is almost a good idea. almost there still has to be a cost to signing a player . . . maybe a franchise player with a 1/2 cap hit; the franchise designation remains for the duration of the contract, and only 1 such player per team. It all depends on what Jacobs wants, he's the boss.
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Post by folatre on Apr 28, 2020 11:54:33 GMT -5
Regarding a franchise player exemption, Bettman and a high percentage of the league owners love their hard cap, so for those guys a franchise player exemption is probably not a popular idea because it would be viewed as a way to weaken the hard cap paradigm.
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