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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Mar 10, 2020 8:58:52 GMT -5
... granted "exceptional status" by the OHL also known as the John Tavares* rule ... ... not a Habs prospect but a prospect worth keeping your eye on ... |
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Post by jkr on Mar 10, 2020 9:18:50 GMT -5
Let's start tanking now.  |
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Post by frozone on Mar 10, 2020 9:44:45 GMT -5
Let's start tanking now. My friend... we already started tanking a loooong time ago... |
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Post by jkr on Mar 10, 2020 9:53:40 GMT -5
Let's start tanking now. My friend... we already started tanking a loooong time ago... Maybe he is part of Bergevin's secret plan. |
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Post by drkcloud on Mar 10, 2020 20:25:38 GMT -5
Does he play a 200 ft game? Would be a great addition to our 4th line
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Post by Habs_fan_in_LA on Mar 11, 2020 12:19:19 GMT -5
Does he play a 200 ft game? Would be a great addition to our 4th line Don’t forget to publicly humiliate him. Question his heart, effort and maturity. |
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Post by GNick99 on Mar 12, 2020 7:58:39 GMT -5
... granted "exceptional status" by the OHL also known as the John Tavares* rule ... ... not a Habs prospect but a prospect worth keeping your eye on ... Could be a plan Dis. This team stumbles out of the gate next season, Bergevin, Timmins, Julien gone by Christmas. A major sell off and rebuild at the deadline. Set us up for a good '21 and '22 draft. |
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Post by Willie Dog on Mar 18, 2020 7:19:56 GMT -5
... granted "exceptional status" by the OHL also known as the John Tavares* rule ... ... not a Habs prospect but a prospect worth keeping your eye on ... Could be a plan Dis. This team stumbles out of the gate next season, Bergevin, Timmins, Julien gone by Christmas. A major sell off and rebuild at the deadline. Set us up for a good '21 and '22 draft. That would be heavenly... But I can't see boy wonder doing that. |
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Post by frozone on Mar 18, 2020 8:09:23 GMT -5
For anyone who wants to check out his highlights from this past year:
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Post by GNick99 on Mar 19, 2020 9:11:37 GMT -5
Could be a plan Dis. This team stumbles out of the gate next season, Bergevin, Timmins, Julien gone by Christmas. A major sell off and rebuild at the deadline. Set us up for a good '21 and '22 draft. That would be heavenly... But I can't see boy wonder doing that. Too much to hope for ain't it? Good chance we move a few players by next trade deadline though. As we have 6 major free agents and doubtful this team has a good start to next season. I am hoping we end up with 3 extra first round picks along with our own. I would aim for if GM that is. Our own is high pick in '21 Draft. Take a Holtz this year, leave him in Sweden for 2 year mandatory. lol Leave Caufield in college next year and Koktaniemi down in Laval with Joel next year. Make a good first line starting in 2021-22 season?? Trade 3 of our free agents for first round picks in '21, and a decent to solid prospect. Not sure which ones to trade though. Will depend on who we can re-sign and how much trade return each has. Like to get a Krebs or Newhook in one of those deals. Hard to do?lol Thinking Petry for a first pick in '21 and a solid prospect to a third team. They trade Gallagher with the solid prospect we acquired be more tempting to team to move a Krebs, and a first? Like to move a Weber as it would guarantee a high pick in '21 and '22. Return be huge also. Which are 2 really big pluses. But hard to do as he is face of franchise and good with young kids. Be a gamble. Need some experience. Maybe deal Petry, Tatar and Gallagher at trade deadline and offer them a bundle of money in summer to return. As I see high chance they will sign back here. I can stand to over pay for them if we get 2 core young pieces back for each. With our caproom we can make it so no team out bids us on them in July/21. All 3 seem to like it here so we stand solid chance to make it happen. Danault I would re-sign next season and probably Armia. Armia gives size, 20 goals and is pretty good on penalty kill. I likely wouldn't trade either unless they want way too much money or trade return is huge. Then it becomes more dicey. The Danault/Gallagher/Tatar line like to keep together, make a good line behind future Koktaniemi/Caufield and hopefully a Holtz type. Or Suzuki line, whomever ends up playing with him. Maybe Suzuki future center for Caufield and Koktaniemi goes with Domi. Domi I am not as sure on. Domi plays good with Drouin. Much depends on how they play next season. On defense, maybe draft franchise defenseman in '21? Get a Clarke be cool. To go with Norlinder, Romanov and Harris. Harris is a wild card to me, he is offensive player who can skate. Can wait to see how he respond to camp? If we can get a Cormier type in 2nd round this year. One of the two should be good. Romanov has 2 solid World Juniors under his belt. Makes a good start to outstanding defense. Like to make that defense strong in front of Primeau. Juulssen and Fleury still in picture also. Leave most our prospects down with Joel or in junior, take a plunge at a Wright in '22? Not like I have it planned out or nothing. lol But with 3 high picks from '20 to '22 drafts, and 3 extra late picks in '21, combined with Caufield, Koktanimie, Suzuki, etc... and we retain young players in Danault/Drouin/Domi etc....we could come fast. Combined with keeping Weber and signing Gallagher and Tatar. |
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Post by folatre on Mar 19, 2020 14:04:01 GMT -5
I am concerned that Bergevin will lock in a bunch of guys this summer and no matter how bad the 2020-21 season goes off the rails there will not be much in the way of vets to trade because guys locked up through 2024-25 or 2025-26 may not be attractive to GMs around the league.
I am not saying that he needs to blow up the roster but for me betting on the entirety of this core (i.e. betting on the status quo) seems like a major strategic miscalculation. This forward corps is way too small and the roster overall lacks players in the 23-27 age range.
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Post by seventeen on Mar 19, 2020 16:43:05 GMT -5
I like all these ideas, but what annoys the hell out of me is that this should be already happening. We should have trade Weber 2 years ago. We should have traded Tatar this deadline. It would have cost us nothing because the season is kaput. But those picks or prospects would not be losing any value. We should be planning to trade Gallagher this coming season. If we were really rolling the dice, we could have moved Petry and Danault as well. I wouldn't be keen on all those moves, but you could have traded half those players or even 2/3rds and have a couple of extra first rounders and/or some Grade A prospects, all of which would be productive in 2 or 3 years. Yes, we'd miss the playoffs next year and possibly the year after, but frankly are we going to make the playoffs anyway?
He got the timing completely wrong and because of it, the wheels just keep spinning.
I've been reminded by some good friends that I have to let go of the Aho offer sheet thing because I'm obsessing about it Trouble is, that particular matter is such a great example of the incredibly bad judgment in place in the ivory tower. The offer sheet is over, no doubt. The really bad judgment is not. That's why I'm so ticked over it. If Berg was replaced, I'd stop mentioning it.
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Post by folatre on Mar 19, 2020 20:25:11 GMT -5
The Aho offer sheet was woefully inadequate but in reality any plan predicated on grabbing an elite RFA is so difficult to pull off. Is Barzal or Dubois worth giving up four first rounders for? Probably they are. But would New York or Columbus prefer to have four Montreal first round picks rather than an elite centre entering his prime? Probably not.
Is Barzal or Dubois worth $11 million per season in a hard cap world where the post-Covid19 financial landscape may mean that the cap will be flat for two or three years in order to restore 50-50 revenue sharing equilibrium given the fact that it will be the owners taking the immediate hit? That's where the evaluation gets tricky.
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Post by The Habitual Fan on Mar 19, 2020 22:09:38 GMT -5
The Aho offer sheet was woefully inadequate but in reality any plan predicated on grabbing an elite RFA is so difficult to pull off. Is Barzal or Dubois worth giving up four first rounders for? Probably they are. But would New York or Columbus prefer to have four Montreal first round picks rather than an elite centre entering his prime? Probably not. Is Barzal or Dubois worth $11 million per season in a hard cap world where the post-Covid19 financial landscape may mean that the cap will be flat for two or three years in order to restore 50-50 revenue sharing equilibrium given the fact that it will be the owners taking the immediate hit? That's where the evaluation gets tricky. I believe that Aho was a trail run at an offer sheet that obviously failed. I think this year Dubois is a player Bergevin really wants. The team was trying to trade up in the draft to get him until Columbus picked him. Dubois, Suzuki, Danault and Evans as centers and KK would become a trade piece. |
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Post by folatre on Mar 20, 2020 8:26:34 GMT -5
If Bergevin went big on the offer sheet (7 years/$77 million) for Dubois, I believe Columbus would match regardless of whether they feel hard done by the size and structure of the contract.
Also, if Kekalainen knows that McColl family does not want to pay Dubois huge front-loaded money with massive signing bonuses, then he is probably a smart enough guy to trade Dubois before he gets boxed in by an offer sheet. I believe that Dorion would have traded Chabot this summer if he had not successfully negotiated a deal with him because if the kid was unsigned right now Dorion would probably feel 99 percent convinced that the Habs would target him.
The mechanism is not really viable for grabbing an elite young player off another club's roster. However, the offer sheet mechanism is, in my opinion, a viable tool for stealthily taking a good player off another club's roster.
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Post by seventeen on Mar 20, 2020 14:20:26 GMT -5
The Aho offer sheet was woefully inadequate but in reality any plan predicated on grabbing an elite RFA is so difficult to pull off. Is Barzal or Dubois worth giving up four first rounders for? Probably they are. But would New York or Columbus prefer to have four Montreal first round picks rather than an elite centre entering his prime? Probably not. Is Barzal or Dubois worth $11 million per season in a hard cap world where the post-Covid19 financial landscape may mean that the cap will be flat for two or three years in order to restore 50-50 revenue sharing equilibrium given the fact that it will be the owners taking the immediate hit? That's where the evaluation gets tricky. I believe that Aho was a trail run at an offer sheet that obviously failed. I think this year Dubois is a player Bergevin really wants. The team was trying to trade up in the draft to get him until Columbus picked him. Dubois, Suzuki, Danault and Evans as centers and KK would become a trade piece. Because he's a Quebec boy, rather than a Finn, you bet Berg will be hot to trot on Dubois. Frankly, I'd rather have Aho, but thats my personal opinion. Both are great players. I'm still not convinced there wasn't some really bad judgment (or a gangful of PR) in that offer sheet. It was so clearly a failure that I can't rule it as a trial run. Offering up to the next level (giving up 2 first rounders) would have been a trial run for me. That's the one I would have gone with, but offered just below the $$ limit to the 4 first rounders, so that the pill, if the Canes chose to swallow it, would be very distasteful. I suspected, though didn't KNOW, that Aho would be worth 4 first rounders. This season's production is proving he is. The only sure thing is that the offer itself was either a case of extremely poor judgement or an exercise to make fans think the team was doing its best to improve the product. |
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Post by seventeen on Mar 20, 2020 14:37:12 GMT -5
If Bergevin went big on the offer sheet (7 years/$77 million) for Dubois, I believe Columbus would match regardless of whether they feel hard done by the size and structure of the contract. Also, if Kekalainen knows that McColl family does not want to pay Dubois huge front-loaded money with massive signing bonuses, then he is probably a smart enough guy to trade Dubois before he gets boxed in by an offer sheet. I believe that Dorion would have traded Chabot this summer if he had not successfully negotiated a deal with him because if the kid was unsigned right now Dorion would probably feel 99 percent convinced that the Habs would target him. The mechanism is not really viable for grabbing an elite young player off another club's roster. However, the offer sheet mechanism is, in my opinion, a viable tool for stealthily taking a good player off another club's roster. It is if you're willing to pay the price. If you can draft such a guy, it's a lot cheaper to get your elite player that way, but if you want a guaranteed difference maker, a team will have to pay for him. |
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