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Post by Willie Dog on Mar 26, 2020 19:27:39 GMT -5
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Post by CentreHice on Mar 26, 2020 20:28:06 GMT -5
That team wouldn't go to a Game 7.
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Post by Skilly on Mar 27, 2020 8:05:33 GMT -5
I dunno … I'd like to see a Pittsburgh Penguins all time team.
Jagr - Lemieux - Stevens
Malkin-Crosby-Kovalev
Kehoe-Francis-Provonost
Coffey-Murphy
Gonchar-Letang
Caryle-
I haven't dug deep enough to fill out the other roster spots, but I am fairly certain they all played more games for Pittsburgh than Mahovolich did for Montreal
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Post by Tankdriver on Mar 27, 2020 12:09:38 GMT -5
I dunno … I'd like to see a Pittsburgh Penguins all time team. Jagr - Lemieux - Stevens Malkin-Crosby-Kovalev Kehoe-Francis-Provonost Coffey-Murphy Gonchar-Letang Caryle- I haven't dug deep enough to fill out the other roster spots, but I am fairly certain they all played more games for Pittsburgh than Mahovolich did for Montreal Ulf Samulesson was a dirty SOB...perfect for 6th spot. I am guessing Barasso with Fleury backing him up? |
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Post by CentreHice on Mar 27, 2020 13:39:12 GMT -5
I dunno … I'd like to see a Pittsburgh Penguins all time team. Jagr - Lemieux - Stevens Malkin-Crosby-Kovalev Kehoe-Francis-Provonost Coffey-Murphy Gonchar-Letang Caryle- I haven't dug deep enough to fill out the other roster spots, but I am fairly certain they all played more games for Pittsburgh than Mahovolich did for Montreal It would be close...but Kovalev would fake a hand injury in Game 7 OT, sending Lafleur in alone for the winner. |
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Post by Scotty D on May 26, 2020 10:55:47 GMT -5
I dunno … I'd like to see a Pittsburgh Penguins all time team. Jagr - Lemieux - Stevens Malkin-Crosby-Kovalev Kehoe-Francis-Provonost Coffey-Murphy Gonchar-Letang Caryle- I haven't dug deep enough to fill out the other roster spots, but I am fairly certain they all played more games for Pittsburgh than Mahovolich did for Montreal It would be close...but Kovalev would fake a hand injury in Game 7 OT, sending Lafleur in alone for the winner. this was just mean times are hard enough now without reminders of this nature .. what's next ribiero getting shot with a cannon and getting up shortly after. |
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on May 26, 2020 13:38:47 GMT -5
I dunno … I'd like to see a Pittsburgh Penguins all time team. Jagr - Lemieux - Stevens Malkin-Crosby-Kovalev Kehoe-Francis-Provonost Coffey-Murphy Gonchar-Letang Caryle- I haven't dug deep enough to fill out the other roster spots, but I am fairly certain they all played more games for Pittsburgh than Mahovolich did for Montreal was probably one of my favourite Penguins when I was growing up ... can a case be made for Ron Stackhouse as your last LD ... as for the 4th line ... Pierre Larouche-Syl Apps-Lowell McDonald ... Cheers. |
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Post by Cranky on May 26, 2020 15:52:02 GMT -5
I can't say that I can argue with the MEMORY of those players, but we need to be careful that we are talking about different eras.
One argument I would make is that I would put Weber over Chelios on the third line defense. Sure, Chelios was my kind of guy in both nastiness and attitude, but a 27 year old Weber can break legs with his shot and far better defensibly. He probably would have the hardest shot because even though people like Lemaire were suppose to have canons, in reality, Weber DOES have a canon measured with modern equipment.
In goal, Dryden had the best defense and the best team in hockey in front of him. Plante and Dryden is from a completely different era and would be murdered as a stand up goalie. My choice would be Price and Roy.
Another interesting choice would be Kovalev. On t he talent scale, he's above some of the choices and also depends which version. A mid 20's Kovalev was an artist when he wanted to be. In a team like this, he would want to shine and would be at his most dangerous.
Last but not least.....this thread just shows how far we dropped.....
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Post by GNick99 on May 27, 2020 8:00:36 GMT -5
I can't say that I can argue with the MEMORY of those players, but we need to be careful that we are talking about different eras. One argument I would make is that I would put Weber over Chelios on the third line defense. Sure, Chelios was my kind of guy in both nastiness and attitude, but a 27 year old Weber can break legs with his shot and far better defensibly. He probably would have the hardest shot because even though people like Lemaire were suppose to have canons, in reality, Weber DOES have a canon measured with modern equipment. In goal, Dryden had the best defense and the best team in hockey in front of him. Plante and Dryden is from a completely different era and would be murdered as a stand up goalie. My choice would be Price and Roy. Another interesting choice would be Kovalev. On t he talent scale, he's above some of the choices and also depends which version. A mid 20's Kovalev was an artist when he wanted to be. In a team like this, he would want to shine and would be at his most dangerous. Last but not least.....this thread just shows how far we dropped..... I found Lemaire and Lapointe were more accurate with their slapshot than Weber. Made it more effective. But Weber definitely had the hardest shot. Weber better defenseman by a mile, but Souray give him run for him money with Habs hardest shot. Roy would probably be best goalie we had. Anybody who choses Plante, Dryden, Roy or Price can make an argument though. They all had their high points. Worsley may get honourable mention too. Those 60s Habs came within a hair of winning 5 Cups in a row. But not as strong a team in front of Gumper as 50s or 70s Habs. |
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on May 27, 2020 20:44:03 GMT -5
I found Lemaire and Lapointe were more accurate with their slapshot than Weber. Made it more effective. But Weber definitely had the hardest shot. Weber better defenseman by a mile, but Souray give him run for him money with Habs hardest shot. The most reckless shot I've seen from a Habs player was Gaston Gingras ... he had a bullet but he had no idea where it was going ... growing up Jacques Lemaire was my favourite Hab and it had to do with his slapshot ... later I looked at him as one of the best two-way centres for his time ... Ken Dryden had the Cups but he also had the team ... while Patrick Roy had good teams in front of him they weren't the HoF lineups Dryden had in the 70s ... Dryden kept the Habs in a lot of games, but the last two Cups wouldn't have been possible without Roy ... Dryden also has the numbers, but I felt Roy had proved more ... Cheers. |
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Post by Willie Dog on May 28, 2020 7:27:37 GMT -5
I'd pick Roy over Dryden, Roy carried the team to the 93 cup, Dryden didn't have to carry anything because of the talent in front of him... Price would kill to have Robinson, Savard and Lapointe in front of him... So would Roy at the time.
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Post by GNick99 on May 29, 2020 20:36:24 GMT -5
I found Lemaire and Lapointe were more accurate with their slapshot than Weber. Made it more effective. But Weber definitely had the hardest shot. Weber better defenseman by a mile, but Souray give him run for him money with Habs hardest shot. The most reckless shot I've seen from a Habs player was Gaston Gingras ... he had a bullet but he had no idea where it was going ... growing up Jacques Lemaire was my favourite Hab and it had to do with his slapshot ... later I looked at him as one of the best two-way centres for his time ... Ken Dryden had the Cups but he also had the team ... while Patrick Roy had good teams in front of him they weren't the HoF lineups Dryden had in the 70s ... Dryden kept the Habs in a lot of games, but the last two Cups wouldn't have been possible without Roy ... Dryden also has the numbers, but I felt Roy had proved more ... Cheers. In '71 Dryden stole us a Cup. Boston far better team. Chicago was probably on par or close to us. Dryden didn't play great but made the big save when needed. Robbed Pappin to save Game 7. Roy probably better though. |
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on May 30, 2020 9:05:52 GMT -5
The most reckless shot I've seen from a Habs player was Gaston Gingras ... he had a bullet but he had no idea where it was going ... growing up Jacques Lemaire was my favourite Hab and it had to do with his slapshot ... later I looked at him as one of the best two-way centres for his time ... Ken Dryden had the Cups but he also had the team ... while Patrick Roy had good teams in front of him they weren't the HoF lineups Dryden had in the 70s ... Dryden kept the Habs in a lot of games, but the last two Cups wouldn't have been possible without Roy ... Dryden also has the numbers, but I felt Roy had proved more ... Cheers. In '71 Dryden stole us a Cup. Boston far better team. Chicago was probably on par or close to us. Dryden didn't play great but made the big save when needed. Robbed Pappin to save Game 7. Roy probably better though. You're absolutely right, yes ... can't believe I forgot that ... I might have to turn in my Habs' fan club membership card  ... the Bruins were supposed to steamroll through the playoffs but this kid Montreal got from them a few years previous ended up taking them out and winning the Conn Smythe Trophy along the way ... thanks for the reminder, dude ... Cheers. |
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Post by Cranky on May 30, 2020 15:41:23 GMT -5
Shutt-Lemaire-Lafleur
Mahovlich-Beliveau-Richard
Koivu-Richard-Cournoyer
Gainey-Carbo-Kovalev
Robinson-Savard
Harvey-Lapointe
Weber-Markov
Roy-Price
Hell of a lot of firepower but something a bit odd is that Gainey, Carbo and Richard are not the classic play making centers.
With Weber, Robinson and Harvey, crossing onto the Habs zone is taking ones life into ones hands. Then of course, Lapointe/Savard was known to take a shot or two. When Lapointe was breaking into the legue, he started off as a nasty piece of work. Of course, Chelios was the next level, possibly I would take him over Markov. That would make four leg breakers from the six defenseman.
You want to fight this team? Say hello to my buddies named Rocket, Big Bird and Weber.
You want firepower? Say hello to Weber, Lemaire, Robinson and Mahovlich. Those will break you, the rest will merely maim you.
You want anger management issues? Meet the king of anger mismanagement.....da Rocket.
You want stifling defensive forwards? Start with the all time best in Gainey and then add Richard, Carbo, Koivu.
The biggest problem of all, how do you keep a team like this motivated? They can tear up any team, any time they want. About the only thing that could keep them motivated is that they would compete to fill ALL the top ten scoring leadership.
*sigh*
This is why I am a Habs fan. I grew up in Montreal with most of them as my heroes. Back then, to miss the playoffs was unbearable, to think that making the playoffs was an achievement was brain damaged absurdity.
*sigh*
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Post by GNick99 on Jun 2, 2020 6:35:14 GMT -5
In '71 Dryden stole us a Cup. Boston far better team. Chicago was probably on par or close to us. Dryden didn't play great but made the big save when needed. Robbed Pappin to save Game 7. Roy probably better though. You're absolutely right, yes ... can't believe I forgot that ... I might have to turn in my Habs' fan club membership card ... the Bruins were supposed to steamroll through the playoffs but this kid Montreal got from them a few years previous ended up taking them out and winning the Conn Smythe Trophy along the way ... thanks for the reminder, dude ... Cheers. No need to turn in membership card. For next April it will mark the 50th anniversary of our most famous playoff battle. For most our memory will fade over such time. I would have forgot myself but I have a few cuttings from each game. I watch them once in a blue moon. Always good to hear Danny Gallivan at his best: "They bang away at it! Oh, and Dryden stymies Esposito with a scintillating save." "Dryden kicks his pad out in rapier-like fashion!" "The Boston Garden is festooned in banners" "Bouchard makes a visitation to the penalty box" "Mahovlich just failed to negotiate contact with that high pass from Laperriere" "Little Henri-the Pocket Rocket- has put in 20 years of yeoman service" Kind of surprised nobody ever mentions Plante as our best goalie. But he accomplished arguably more than the others. Not only won a Hart, but also 5 Cups in a row. He also had the task of beating some of the most powerful team in Gordie Howe Red Wings. Roy never had to beat the best teams of the league the years we won the Cup. Steve Smith shot the puck into his own net during the emotional Battle of Alberta. Lemieux came down with cancer in 1993, he was not himself in the playoffs. We got some breaks with it. Roy also wilted in the '87 equally emotional Battle of Quebec series, had to be replaced by Brian Hayward. Who turned the series around. Carey Price, who holds many of the Habs all time goaltender records, also was pulled in the famous 2010 series against Washington. Replaced by Halak, who took the team on a Herculean upset. |
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Jun 2, 2020 12:21:36 GMT -5
You're absolutely right, yes ... can't believe I forgot that ... I might have to turn in my Habs' fan club membership card ... the Bruins were supposed to steamroll through the playoffs but this kid Montreal got from them a few years previous ended up taking them out and winning the Conn Smythe Trophy along the way ... thanks for the reminder, dude ... Cheers. No need to turn in membership card. For next April it will mark the 50th anniversary of our most famous playoff battle. For most our memory will fade over such time. I would have forgot myself but I have a few cuttings from each game. I watch them once in a blue moon. Always good to hear Danny Gallivan at his best: "They bang away at it! Oh, and Dryden stymies Esposito with a scintillating save." "Dryden kicks his pad out in rapier-like fashion!" "The Boston Garden is festooned in banners" "Bouchard makes a visitation to the penalty box" "Mahovlich just failed to negotiate contact with that high pass from Laperriere" "Little Henri-the Pocket Rocket- has put in 20 years of yeoman service" Kind of surprised nobody ever mentions Plante as our best goalie. But he accomplished arguably more than the others. Not only won a Hart, but also 5 Cups in a row. He also had the task of beating some of the most powerful team in Gordie Howe Red Wings. Roy never had to beat the best teams of the league the years we won the Cup. Steve Smith shot the puck into his own net during the emotional Battle of Alberta. Lemieux came down with cancer in 1993, he was not himself in the playoffs. We got some breaks with it. Roy also wilted in the '87 equally emotional Battle of Quebec series, had to be replaced by Brian Hayward. Who turned the series around. Carey Price, who holds many of the Habs all time goaltender records, also was pulled in the famous 2010 series against Washington. Replaced by Halak, who took the team on a Herculean upset. It's nice to talk about these every once in a while ... as far as goaltenders go, arguments could be made for every goaltender we've mentioned, plus Jose Theodore, who had a pretty nice run in Montreal ... one reason I didn't think of Jacques Plante is that I can't remember actually seeing him play with the Habs ... my dad told me that Plante was great goaltender but if I ever saw him play it would have been either with St Louis or Toronto ... fast forward: I missed a lot of the Quebec/Montreal rivalry when we lived overseas from 1986-91 ... Cheers. |
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Post by GNick99 on Jun 4, 2020 6:44:19 GMT -5
No need to turn in membership card. For next April it will mark the 50th anniversary of our most famous playoff battle. For most our memory will fade over such time. I would have forgot myself but I have a few cuttings from each game. I watch them once in a blue moon. Always good to hear Danny Gallivan at his best: "They bang away at it! Oh, and Dryden stymies Esposito with a scintillating save." "Dryden kicks his pad out in rapier-like fashion!" "The Boston Garden is festooned in banners" "Bouchard makes a visitation to the penalty box" "Mahovlich just failed to negotiate contact with that high pass from Laperriere" "Little Henri-the Pocket Rocket- has put in 20 years of yeoman service" Kind of surprised nobody ever mentions Plante as our best goalie. But he accomplished arguably more than the others. Not only won a Hart, but also 5 Cups in a row. He also had the task of beating some of the most powerful team in Gordie Howe Red Wings. Roy never had to beat the best teams of the league the years we won the Cup. Steve Smith shot the puck into his own net during the emotional Battle of Alberta. Lemieux came down with cancer in 1993, he was not himself in the playoffs. We got some breaks with it. Roy also wilted in the '87 equally emotional Battle of Quebec series, had to be replaced by Brian Hayward. Who turned the series around. Carey Price, who holds many of the Habs all time goaltender records, also was pulled in the famous 2010 series against Washington. Replaced by Halak, who took the team on a Herculean upset. It's nice to talk about these every once in a while ... as far as goaltenders go, arguments could be made for every goaltender we've mentioned, plus Jose Theodore, who had a pretty nice run in Montreal ... one reason I didn't think of Jacques Plante is that I can't remember actually seeing him play with the Habs ... my dad told me that Plante was great goaltender but if I ever saw him play it would have been either with St Louis or Toronto ... fast forward: I missed a lot of the Quebec/Montreal rivalry when we lived overseas from 1986-91 ... Cheers. Theodore for me was too short of a run. He only had one or two good years. I am kind of puzzled by him. He reached a very high but only 1 season. Plante would probably get my nod as Habs best goalie. I can remember him with the Blues, then the Leafs. The first year he went to Toronto I thought he was best goalie in league that year. He was in his early 40s. I remember Plante was traded to Boston for Ian Turnbull, but for life of me cannot remember how he got from St. Louis to Toronto. |
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... the Bruins were supposed to steamroll through the playoffs but this kid Montreal got from them a few years previous ended up taking them out and winning the Conn Smythe Trophy along the way ... thanks for the reminder, dude ...