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Post by seventeen on May 11, 2020 12:48:32 GMT -5
I'm sure there's something he's done or hasn't done of which we're completely unaware for which he deserves flak. Consider it a balancing of the scales. I'd rather find something which doesn't deserve flak. Difficult to find but probably not impossible if someone were to search hard enough. But I'd rather slag him for something he's done rather than for something he may do. Given him credit for the Chuck and Patches deals (though Id love to know if they were pushing for Cody Glass instead of Suzuki). OUtside of those two moves his best deal so far is (perhaps) leaving Timmins and Churla alone. There are many things I suspect but will never have any information on which would reflect well or badly on him. For example, what exactly was on the table for Tatar or Petry at the deadline? Did he have any intention of moving either of them? Does it make sense to keep them, give the ages of the incoming talent? We know he has immense regard for Weber, yet is it smart holding onto a guy for his leadership qualities when there are others on the team with those good qualities, but the downside of the register is a CAP hit that is going to make next summer one filled with more difficult choices. Get rid of a nearly $8MM CAP hit and your flexibility improves a ton. Not to mention he's 3 months away from 35 years of age and has shown that toward the end of the last couple of seasons, he has difficulty handling the pace. The underlying problem, of course, isn't Weber, and to a lesser extent, Bergevin. It's ownership. They have yet to show a true desire to win the Cup.
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Post by UberCranky on May 11, 2020 12:51:00 GMT -5
I'm really, really upset that Bbinz is getting flack....given his success with the team.
Worse of all, I'm even more upset at the unfairness that a multi-millionaire failing and losing his job when said millions were made...while failing.
Then there is the unfairness of that poor little golden sponner billionaire getting flack...
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Post by GNick99 on May 12, 2020 6:01:52 GMT -5
I'd rather find something which doesn't deserve flak. Difficult to find but probably not impossible if someone were to search hard enough. But I'd rather slag him for something he's done rather than for something he may do. Given him credit for the Chuck and Patches deals (though Id love to know if they were pushing for Cody Glass instead of Suzuki). OUtside of those two moves his best deal so far is (perhaps) leaving Timmins and Churla alone. There are many things I suspect but will never have any information on which would reflect well or badly on him. For example, what exactly was on the table for Tatar or Petry at the deadline? Did he have any intention of moving either of them? Does it make sense to keep them, give the ages of the incoming talent? We know he has immense regard for Weber, yet is it smart holding onto a guy for his leadership qualities when there are others on the team with those good qualities, but the downside of the register is a CAP hit that is going to make next summer one filled with more difficult choices. Get rid of a nearly $8MM CAP hit and your flexibility improves a ton. Not to mention he's 3 months away from 35 years of age and has shown that toward the end of the last couple of seasons, he has difficulty handling the pace. The underlying problem, of course, isn't Weber, and to a lesser extent, Bergevin. It's ownership. They have yet to show a true desire to win the Cup. Bergevin generally makes big moves over the summer. Circumstances are set up he likely will do more this year. Trend in recent summers he has made big splashes. Subban trade and Radulov one year, Pacioretty, DOmi, Tatar, Armia, next summer, Drouin trade next, then last summer make big plug for Aho, Duchene and Chiarot. Trade deadline is generally not when he makes his major moves. If he had moved Tatar, Petry, Gallagher at March trade deadline, it tells a rebuild. Of some sort. Doubt Bergevin be the guy to rebuild. Be somebody else in here. If they buy out Alzner?? Habs have around 11 million in caproom this summer. Be many teams looking to move contracts. The way Bettman is acting sounds like there are many teams in dire straits financially. Habs also sitting with extra draft picks. Will he move a 2nd or 3rd rounder for a player who usually takes a 1st to acquire? The opportunity should be there. Would you move a 2nd for a Burns? Retain on a Petry to acquire 2 first round picks? The '21 and '22 drafts are projected to be good ones. Many scenarios out there He may also want to keep all those picks. Canadiens have 14 picks in this draft. Which makes 35 over last 3 drafts. Unless I added them up wrong. Bergevin thinking maybe even Timmins can find a decent/solid player with 14 picks. Rumour has it even a blind mouse finds the cheese once in a while. Drafting in first few picks odds are strong we get a good player out of it. With 13 picks from 2 round onward, good odds they get a decent player out of 13 chances. Odds are in our favour anywat. Gives them 2 solid players out of this draft. In last three drafts, should make 6 solid players. Koktaniemie, Caufield and Perfetti?. Romanov has a big billing, maybe a Norlinder from last and a Perrault from this draft. Now we need a star player to sandwich them with. lol Raty for '21?
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Post by BadCompany on Jun 14, 2020 10:08:54 GMT -5
Former NHLer Linden Vey, in a lengthy article about his time in the KHL and with CSKA: GK: Who were some of the most impressive talents that you worked with during your two seasons in Moscow? LV: It's hard, I mean, everybody on that team was so good. We were so deep throughout the whole organization. Alexander Romanov, a young kid—he’s got a great future and I've never seen a guy that young who could be that strong. When you watched the World Juniors, you could see how physically dominant he was. When you give him more time to continue to work at that, he'll be able to take control of games. He's got a bright future wherever he decides to go.en.khl.ru/news/2020/06/11/470242.html
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Post by seventeen on Jun 14, 2020 13:21:40 GMT -5
I'll be aging myself, but I recall a young Larry Robinson being brought up from the NS Voyageurs and playing against Boston. One play made me raise my eyebrows and think he could be something special. End to end? Nope. Blistering shot? Nope. Phil Esposito had the puck, carrying it over the blue line along the wing, went to power his way to the net and Robinson rode him into the boards. That was it. Anyone who knew how strong Phil was and how often that move worked for him would also have been surprised. Before anyone gets their shorts in a knot, I'm not suggesting Romanov is another Robinson. We should be so lucky. But that same unexpected strength is there. We've seen that so often when guys take a run at the Tsar and bounce off. It's especially surprising in a 5' 11" body. I believe that was Bobby Orr's height too. .
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Post by BadCompany on Jun 15, 2020 9:48:23 GMT -5
I'll be aging myself, but I recall a young Larry Robinson being brought up from the NS Voyageurs and playing against Boston. One play made me raise my eyebrows and think he could be something special. End to end? Nope. Blistering shot? Nope. Phil Esposito had the puck, carrying it over the blue line along the wing, went to power his way to the net and Robinson rode him into the boards. That was it. Anyone who knew how strong Phil was and how often that move worked for him would also have been surprised. Before anyone gets their shorts in a knot, I'm not suggesting Romanov is another Robinson. We should be so lucky. But that same unexpected strength is there. We've seen that so often when guys take a run at the Tsar and bounce off. It's especially surprising in a 5' 11" body. I believe that was Bobby Orr's height too. . I have a similar thought with regards to Romanov. The first thing I noticed about him was his lateral skating, his four-way mobility. Which is very Subban-esque (though unfortunately often coached out of players by coaches who value "position" and "system"). And then everybody talks about the big hits. But what really impressed me about the hits wasn't so much how he made players fly through the air - though of course that is fun too - but how balanced and ready to continue to play he is after throwing them. He doesn't fall down. That's impressive to me.
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Jun 15, 2020 11:47:05 GMT -5
Yeah, Fleury is a pretty big hitter too. But he still has to learn to do so without getting out of position or out of the play. It is still a very effective way of turning over the puck and stopping an advance, all while giving fans the bonus of a guy getting landed on his can. Romanov is one strong teenager (he has turned 20 now, but those 2 WJC tourneys that folks watched and a lot of those KHL highlight hits were as a teenager).
BC, I am with you on lateral skating. It is such an undervalued trait of a defender and yet it adds many nice tools to the toolbox.
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Post by seventeen on Jun 15, 2020 13:16:44 GMT -5
The thing with Romanov is that he is SO strong that he doesn't have to use the majority of his strength to ride people out of the play or make a hit. That leaves a good amount of strength to maintain balance and continue playing. Fleury makes big hits too, but then needs to recover. The difference results in more space and time for Romanov.
So many of the excellent defensemen today have that lateral ability. Doughty has always had it, for example. A great skill.
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Post by Willie Dog on Jun 18, 2020 7:09:49 GMT -5
Hopefully Romanov and Fluery can remind the other defencemen that they have size and can lay the body... Weber, Petry and Chiarot are big but don't lay the body like they should, when a player crosses the centre ice line, they should know they are entering the House of Pain.
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Post by Habs_fan_in_LA on Jun 19, 2020 2:22:07 GMT -5
I am very excited about a 5’11” defenseman who scored 1 goal in 2019 and 0 goals in 2020 in the Russian league. Not really taking off and improving. Not the future cornerstone of our defense. Another Streit low risk tryout. Again we overvalue our kids.
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Jul 1, 2020 17:52:50 GMT -5
Now, what to do with him. He needs to play meaningful hockey somewhere before the next NHL season starts whenever.
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Post by folatre on Jul 1, 2020 18:17:12 GMT -5
This does not address what to do with him in the fall if the NHL is not starting 2020-21 until December or January, but I am curious if Montreal is allowed to bring players ineligible to play against the Penguins into Phase 3 and 4 so long as that player does not put them over the 28 skater limit? It would be nice if Romanov (and Ylonen for that matter) could be there this summer practicing and becoming acclimated to the whole group.
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Post by BadCompany on Jul 2, 2020 9:55:35 GMT -5
Romanov's agent said that Romanov has no intention of going back to Russia, and if that means he won't play hockey until December or later, he is willing to wait.
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Post by folatre on Jul 5, 2020 18:24:21 GMT -5
What about a guy like Ylonen? If I were the Habs' President or GM, I would want this guy playing in Finland this autumn because he is long odds to play with the Habs in 2020-21 and there may literally be no AHL hockey this season if a workable vaccine is not widely accessible by January or at the latest February.
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Jul 6, 2020 17:04:13 GMT -5
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Jul 10, 2020 8:40:17 GMT -5
So, he would be able to practice with the team and attend camp if the new CBA is ratified by this weekend.
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Post by seventeen on Jul 10, 2020 16:46:14 GMT -5
I am very excited about a 5’11” defenseman who scored 1 goal in 2019 and 0 goals in 2020 in the Russian league. Not really taking off and improving. Not the future cornerstone of our defense. Another Streit low risk tryout. Again we overvalue our kids. I suspect in a few years, you may wish to delete this post.
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Post by Habs_fan_in_LA on Jul 10, 2020 20:02:01 GMT -5
I am very excited about a 5’11” defenseman who scored 1 goal in 2019 and 0 goals in 2020 in the Russian league. Not really taking off and improving. Not the future cornerstone of our defense. Another Streit low risk tryout. Again we overvalue our kids. I suspect in a few years, you may wish to delete this post. I would love to be wrong about Romanov, especially in a few years when Bergevin is gone. I wish I was right about Corey Locke. I wish Guillaume Latendresse lived up to his press, Tinordi, Leblanc, Beaulieu, Galchenyuk, McCarron and a host of others. Draft day Cole Caufield was 6'2"; not saying he won't be good but hope isn't a bird in the hand. I've spent hours pressing the reset on my electrical breaker box and until the problem is fixed the reset is futile. I considered Senator Hartland Molson to be a god in his box behind the bench. Geoff Molson is Judas. I supported him too long while I focused my frustration on Bergevin. Bergy is a hired hand who isn't successful and needs to be replaced. Molson saves salary on cap space and won't admit his mistakes and failure while the profits rolled in. That is changing and the fans have to initiate the change. We have lots of late draft picks this year. Last year: 5th round LeGuerrier, Pittlick, Dichow 6th round Khisamutdinov 7th round Harvey-Pinard, Ruscheinski Thats the plan???
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Post by folatre on Jul 12, 2020 19:50:42 GMT -5
Minnesota will allow Kaprizov to sign a 2019-20 contract (of course that does not make him eligible for the play-in or Playoffs), which will move him toward his second contract sooner.
I am not sure that Montreal will not go for this since Romanov is only two years removed from his draft year whereas Kaprizov is older having been drafted in 2015.
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Post by folatre on Jul 12, 2020 20:41:43 GMT -5
Engels is saying this evening that Montreal is prepared to make that concession to Romanov (i.e. sign a 2019-20 contract) and he will be coming over.
However, given that he needs to quarantine for 14 days, he basically misses camp anyway. Nevertheless I see it as beneficial for him to be with the group in Toronto and begin acclimating to North America.
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Jul 12, 2020 21:18:01 GMT -5
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Post by franko on Jul 12, 2020 21:36:42 GMT -5
I prefer to think of it as him wearing Schneider's number.
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Post by PTH on Jul 12, 2020 22:21:18 GMT -5
I prefer to think of it as him wearing Schneider's number. For me, it's Shayne Corson's. ---- If that doesn't spell out that Alzner is done, I don't know what would.
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Post by franko on Jul 13, 2020 0:10:17 GMT -5
I prefer to think of it as him wearing Schneider's number. For me, it's Shayne Corson's. I was just replacing a d-man with a d-man.
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Jul 13, 2020 6:47:30 GMT -5
Maybe my Galchenyuk jersey will have to become a Romanov jersey at some point.
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Post by franko on Jul 13, 2020 7:36:52 GMT -5
Maybe my Galchenyuk jersey will have to become a Romanov jersey at some point. my Kovalev jersey will always be a Kovalev jersey!
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Post by folatre on Jul 13, 2020 8:49:28 GMT -5
The Alzner situation is curious.
If the Habs buy out Alzner this off-season rather than waiting until next summer, the cap pain arguably looks a little worse. So if one was merely making a decision based on mitigating the negative cap implications, the sound decision would be to wait one more year to pull the trigger.
However, if one is simply thinking about actual dollar outlays (i.e. real money), buying out Alzner in 2020 rather than waiting to 2021 saves Molson $500,000 USD, which may seem like a trivial sum for a billionaire but like or not by now I think we can all agree Montreal's ownership group is thrifty.
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Post by PTH on Jul 13, 2020 9:48:36 GMT -5
The Alzner situation is curious. If the Habs buy out Alzner this off-season rather than waiting until next summer, the cap pain arguably looks a little worse. So if one was merely making a decision based on mitigating the negative cap implications, the sound decision would be to wait one more year to pull the trigger. However, if one is simply thinking about actual dollar outlays (i.e. real money), buying out Alzner in 2020 rather than waiting to 2021 saves Molson $500,000 USD, which may seem like a trivial sum for a billionaire but like or not by now I think we can all agree Montreal's ownership group is thrifty. I've always thought that the best way to look at a buyout is that you're buying current cap space from future cap space... until current cap space is at a premium, might as well just live with the current contract. With the flat cap though, things might change. Buying out Alzner now might just give us a little wiggle room to take on a player that someone else has no room for. Yanni Gourde anyone ?
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Jul 13, 2020 11:42:51 GMT -5
The difference between this offseason and next for a buyout is not much, as folatre indicates, due to the big fact that the Habs would still have to fork out his full salary next year and then get a two year salary cap hit under the delayed option. Buying him out this offseason does drag the cap hit of $833K into year four (23-24), but you hope by then the cap starts to move up again. Alzner bad contract still becomes either a 7 or 8 year cap “reminder”. *cough* versus only two years of Markov *cough*
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Post by Habs_fan_in_LA on Jul 13, 2020 13:04:31 GMT -5
The difference between this offseason and next for a buyout is not much, as folatre indicates, due to the big fact that the Habs would still have to fork out his full salary next year and then get a two year salary cap hit under the delayed option. Buying him out this offseason does drag the cap hit of $833K into year four (23-24), but you hope by then the cap starts to move up again. Alzner bad contract still becomes either a 7 or 8 year cap “reminder”. *cough* versus only two years of Markov *cough* Bergevin could give Alzner the Streit (low risk) tryout contract.
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