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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on May 20, 2020 16:52:45 GMT -5
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Post by folatre on May 20, 2020 18:08:00 GMT -5
Good for him, he must be doing a nice job with Sherbrooke.
Thibault put together a pretty decent NHL career. I guess the memory of him in Montreal will always be negative because it is tied to the Patrick Roy trade.
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Post by Tankdriver on May 20, 2020 19:26:54 GMT -5
They had a great team this year. Sucks that they didn't get to make a run for the memorial cup this past spring.
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Post by Cranky on May 21, 2020 15:45:31 GMT -5
NO
That was a preemptive NO just in case of someone calling him out as the next Habs GM.
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Post by GNick99 on May 24, 2020 10:05:32 GMT -5
Next Habs GM?
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Post by GNick99 on May 24, 2020 10:06:39 GMT -5
NO That was a preemptive NO just in case of someone calling him out as the next Habs GM. Why not? Sounds like solid candidate to replace Bergevin. |
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Post by Tankdriver on May 24, 2020 11:13:32 GMT -5
I want someone with experience at the NHL, either as a GM or assistant GM. My choice is still Mark Hunter.
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Post by folatre on May 24, 2020 16:20:46 GMT -5
Thibault, if indeed he aspires to be a NHL General Manager, would need to follow a trajectory whereby he goes to work for an NHL club as an Assistant GM or running their AHL team.
Mark Hunter should be a guy that NHL are calling for interviews. The coronavirus pandemic has probably saved the jobs of a couple GMs for now. I cannot recall if New Jersey took the interim tag off Fitzgerald. Lamoriello and Hunter get along pretty well, I believe. However, it could be that somewhere down the line Lamoriello plans a handoff to his son if ownership there is willing to buy into that idea.
Is Treliving really safe in Calgary if they face plant in the play-in phase this summer? His overall track record is kind of meh, much like Bergevin's, though in fairness he has been on the job two fewer seasons than Bergevin.
Dale Tallon's 10 year reign in Florida has been really poor. i have no idea how he still has a job.
Despite his playing days as a Hab, Mark Hunter does not speak French and that means Molson will never consider him. I wish the organization could be open to maintaining the principle of a bilingual head coach while having either a Quebecois GM or President but not necessarily both.
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Post by PTH on May 25, 2020 0:58:14 GMT -5
Thibault, if indeed he aspires to be a NHL General Manager, would need to follow a trajectory whereby he goes to work for an NHL club as an Assistant GM or running their AHL team. Here is where I wish we had a POHO, who could tell Bergevin to make sure to have one Thibault or other potential francophone successor on staff... as I've said for head coaches, if other teams poach our guys, it means they get training elsewhere and we get a pool of candidates down the road, and we have a potential line of succession internally. Molson just saying we need francophone coaches and GMs isn't enough, he has to do what's required to make sure we have a pipeline of candidates. It also makes it possible to eventually make a case for hiring someone else if our guys are poached. If we lose Thibault, Ducharme and Bouchard and we need to promote someone, it's easier when you've given a chance to locals then when it's just Berg and his cronies. Also, having a GM in waiting might make Berg a tad less comfortable. |
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Post by GNick99 on May 25, 2020 6:56:45 GMT -5
I want someone with experience at the NHL, either as a GM or assistant GM. My choice is still Mark Hunter. Hunter won't come here. Has to be french Canadian. |
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Post by GNick99 on May 25, 2020 6:59:52 GMT -5
Thibault, if indeed he aspires to be a NHL General Manager, would need to follow a trajectory whereby he goes to work for an NHL club as an Assistant GM or running their AHL team. Here is where I wish we had a POHO, who could tell Bergevin to make sure to have one Thibault or other potential francophone successor on staff... as I've said for head coaches, if other teams poach our guys, it means they get training elsewhere and we get a pool of candidates down the road, and we have a potential line of succession internally. Molson just saying we need francophone coaches and GMs isn't enough, he has to do what's required to make sure we have a pipeline of candidates. It also makes it possible to eventually make a case for hiring someone else if our guys are poached. If we lose Thibault, Ducharme and Bouchard and we need to promote someone, it's easier when you've given a chance to locals then when it's just Berg and his cronies. Also, having a GM in waiting might make Berg a tad less comfortable. That could be Joel Bouchard. Actually, a lot of former goalies have gone on to better GMs. Just recent years, Holland, Rutherford, Davidson, etc... They may have advantage as see game from different perspective than skaters. Thibault has chance to be the better GM Could reason Bergevin is still there no top candidates to replace him? |
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Post by seventeen on May 25, 2020 17:19:08 GMT -5
Dale Tallon's 10 year reign in Florida has been really poor. i have no idea how he still has a job. Probably has the same photographer Bergevin uses. |
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Post by seventeen on May 25, 2020 17:24:23 GMT -5
Thibault, if indeed he aspires to be a NHL General Manager, would need to follow a trajectory whereby he goes to work for an NHL club as an Assistant GM or running their AHL team. Here is where I wish we had a POHO, who could tell Bergevin to make sure to have one Thibault or other potential francophone successor on staff... as I've said for head coaches, if other teams poach our guys, it means they get training elsewhere and we get a pool of candidates down the road, and we have a potential line of succession internally. Molson just saying we need francophone coaches and GMs isn't enough, he has to do what's required to make sure we have a pipeline of candidates. It also makes it possible to eventually make a case for hiring someone else if our guys are poached. If we lose Thibault, Ducharme and Bouchard and we need to promote someone, it's easier when you've given a chance to locals then when it's just Berg and his cronies. Also, having a GM in waiting might make Berg a tad less comfortable. Completely agree. You need a pipeline of executive talent as much or more than a pipeline of player talent. REally good GM's or POHO's surround themselves with good people. It usually means you have to replace them fairly often (because other teams are poaching them), but it also means they're good quality people and those guys inevitably result in winning teams. Who has Berg surrounded himself with during his tenure. Only recently were Bouchard and Ducharme hired, and Ducharme is in the coaching section, not the executive area. Who is in the organization who could replace Berg? Timmins? Bouchard? Does Timmins speak French well enough? Does Bouchard have enough experience yet? |
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Post by folatre on May 25, 2020 17:26:40 GMT -5
Jeje, could be. They are buds despite the fact that they are not really contemporaries age-wise.
The odd thing is Tallon has managed to hold sway through two different ownership groups.
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Post by folatre on May 25, 2020 19:34:18 GMT -5
I have no idea if it is true, but I believe that Molson was the instrumental one in bringing Ducharme and Bouchard on board when it happened. I do not think he was trying to send a message to his GM or Head Coach, rather I imagine that since Molson is firmly in the camp that judges the HC and GM have to be fluent in French he probably wanted to get those guys in the organization before they got hired elsewhere.
Bouchard seemed the one likelier to get into management, but since that is not his role in Laval, i would say he is not a natural candidate at this point to be Bergevin's successor whenever that bridge must be crossed. Ducharme or Bouchard could possibly be seen as Julien's successor, however.
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Post by folatre on May 25, 2020 21:47:37 GMT -5
It would be strange if Timmins ever gets the job (assuming he is fluent or near fluent in French) because if this draft and development based retool that Molson bought into does not work then how in the world does the guy doing the drafting get a promotion instead of a kick in the pants when the next spring house cleaning inevitably arrives?
And internally, what is there? Nothing, basically. Mellanby was bouncing around until his pal, Bergevin, gave him stable lease on life professionally. But he holds a zero percent chance of ever being GM in Montreal. Lapointe? Does that guy even work 120 days a year? It is only my opinion, but that traitor who did not want to come to Montreal until he needed a post-retirement gig can certainly clear out his office when the next regime change occurs. In reality, Molson is probably going to have reach outside the organization. Martin Madden Jr. interests me. Brodeur certainly would have too, though now he is basically the President of Hockey Operations in New Jersey. Julien BriseBois is clearly not giving up the great job that he currently holds.
As PTH and seventeen said, hiring smart executives and cultivating them is definitely the way to go in a unique market like Montreal.
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Post by PTH on May 26, 2020 10:49:20 GMT -5
Ducharme or Bouchard could possibly be seen as Julien's successor, however. That's how I've always seen them, too. |
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Post by PTH on May 26, 2020 11:37:34 GMT -5
It would be strange if Timmins ever gets the job (assuming he is fluent or near fluent in French) ... Timmins has zero French, and in a lot of interviews he clearly sees the French side of things as an afterthought, as in "we'll draft the best players we can from US High Schools and trade them if we need to get local guys" instead of being a QMJHL-first kind of guy, which is what I think we need: a guy who won't miss the Giroux's or the Simon Gagné's, a guy that if he passes on a local guy, you know it's after extensive scouting. I'd fire Timmins, not over his pure draft record, but over his inability to focus on local guys when available. Montreal isn't Phoenix or Miami, and drafting needs to take this into account. |
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Post by franko on May 26, 2020 12:20:32 GMT -5
I'd fire Timmins, not over his pure draft record, but over his inability to focus on local guys when available. Montreal isn't Phoenix or Miami, and drafting needs to take this into account. and yet when the Habs do draft the local guys it turns out a bust. though I'm not saying they shouldn't be on the list. |
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Post by folatre on May 26, 2020 13:14:22 GMT -5
In my opinion, either one of Martin Madden Jr. or Darche would give more priority to drafting, signing, and developing kids from Québec than Timmins has.
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on May 26, 2020 14:15:51 GMT -5
NO That was a preemptive NO just in case of someone calling him out as the next Habs GM. I only made the thread because I was happy for Jocelyn Thibault ... however, since we're talking about it, the pool is so limited for Montreal that it behooves them to keep tabs on every French-speaking (not just Francophones) candidates out there ... Cheers. |
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Post by GNick99 on May 29, 2020 20:39:22 GMT -5
It would be strange if Timmins ever gets the job (assuming he is fluent or near fluent in French) ... Timmins has zero French, and in a lot of interviews he clearly sees the French side of things as an afterthought, as in "we'll draft the best players we can from US High Schools and trade them if we need to get local guys" instead of being a QMJHL-first kind of guy, which is what I think we need: a guy who won't miss the Giroux's or the Simon Gagné's, a guy that if he passes on a local guy, you know it's after extensive scouting. I'd fire Timmins, not over his pure draft record, but over his inability to focus on local guys when available. Montreal isn't Phoenix or Miami, and drafting needs to take this into account. Like to see Bouchard take over the draft. Ducharme as head coach. What about Brodeur as future GM? |
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Post by folatre on May 29, 2020 21:57:41 GMT -5
Regarding the future, it is hard to know. -- Though for the time being, it appears that Bouchard is a potential head coach in waiting rather than GM in waiting. Things could change, of course.
I really like Brodeur. He is articulate, calm, affable. He was Asst. GM under Armstrong in St. Louis so he saw what it takes to run a good hockey organization. Unfortunately, I believe that he is basically signed and delivered in the newly formed President of Hockey Ops in New Jersey.
Given the run of mediocrity, it is not comforting that Molson will be the President until he does not want to be and that Bergevin will be the GM for a 9th season and that Julien will be back again when he basically threw the players under the bus this season.
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Post by GNick99 on May 31, 2020 4:11:24 GMT -5
Regarding the future, it is hard to know. -- Though for the time being, it appears that Bouchard is a potential head coach in waiting rather than GM in waiting. Things could change, of course. I really like Brodeur. He is articulate, calm, affable. He was Asst. GM under Armstrong in St. Louis so he saw what it takes to run a good hockey organization. Unfortunately, I believe that he is basically signed and delivered in the newly formed President of Hockey Ops in New Jersey. Given the run of mediocrity, it is not comforting that Molson will be the President until he does not want to be and that Bergevin will be the GM for a 9th season and that Julien will be back again when he basically threw the players under the bus this season. Forgot he was in Jersdy now. |
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