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Post by Habs_fan_in_LA on Jul 22, 2020 20:58:11 GMT -5
I’m voting for Redskins or Eskimos.
Never heard of an Indian or Inuit who was offended.
Still they can blockade the highway or railroad tracks. Not much chance they will use kayaks to block the Northwest passage submarines
Does anybody seriously hate the name Eskimos beside Chuck Hunsinger?
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Post by Tankdriver on Jul 23, 2020 7:33:20 GMT -5
I never thought of the term Eskimo, Indian, Braves, Black Hawks as derogatory or racist. More of a tribute to the people. Redskins I can see that as bad...especially as it ties in with the logo. It's why the Chief Wahoo logo disappeared from the Indians logo. As an aside, is there still a company making Eskimo pie ice cream sandwiches? I also wonder what Edmonton will want to call their team now. They want to keep the double EE logo, so that limits some names... I would say Eagles is the most likely or maybe they go creative and become the "edge" or evaders?
As for Seattle, when I saw the video I thought for sure it was a to announce kraken o maybe even sockeyes. Out of all the names registered, I prefer Kraken but that's just me. But I am a a traditionalist and wanted Metropolitans but I can see how the NHL would hate that with it being a division name (should of gone back to Norris, Adams, Smyth, Patrick) . Plus the team would be called the Mets and baseball already has that name.
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Post by jkr on Jul 23, 2020 9:43:57 GMT -5
I never thought of the term Eskimo, Indian, Braves, Black Hawks as derogatory or racist. More of a tribute to the people. Redskins I can see that as bad...especially as it ties in with the logo. It's why the Chief Wahoo logo disappeared from the Indians logo. As an aside, is there still a company making Eskimo pie ice cream sandwiches? I also wonder what Edmonton will want to call their team now. They want to keep the double EE logo, so that limits some names... I would say Eagles is the most likely or maybe they go creative and become the "edge" or evaders? As for Seattle, when I saw the video I thought for sure it was a to announce kraken o maybe even sockeyes. Out of all the names registered, I prefer Kraken but that's just me. But I am a a traditionalist and wanted Metropolitans but I can see how the NHL would hate that with it being a division name (should of gone back to Norris, Adams, Smyth, Patrick) . Plus the team would be called the Mets and baseball already has that name. A company called Dreyer's owns the Eskimo Pie name & plans to change it. |
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Jul 23, 2020 11:43:51 GMT -5
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Post by frozone on Jul 23, 2020 11:56:59 GMT -5
I’m voting for Redskins or Eskimos. Never heard of an Indian or Inuit who was offended. Still they can blockade the highway or railroad tracks. Not much chance they will use kayaks to block the Northwest passage submarines Does anybody seriously hate the name Eskimos beside Chuck Hunsinger? I don't think it's so much those names themselves. It's more about the continual marginalization of their people and culture, particularly after having been slaughtered and their land taken away. But I think your intention in creating this thread was to talk about the Seattle team name. They went with Kraken and you can watch the video here: Seattle Kraken reveal nickname for NHL expansion team |
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Post by seventeen on Jul 23, 2020 12:06:00 GMT -5
I wonder if they have to pay Proximo Spirits any royalties?  |
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Jul 23, 2020 12:21:33 GMT -5
They better bring in Liam Neeson for opening night to Release the Kraken.
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Post by BadCompany on Jul 23, 2020 12:41:54 GMT -5
 Not a big fan of the Steinberg's logo, but at least they kept the sweaters kind of classic. No funky swirls or patterns.
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Jul 23, 2020 12:47:10 GMT -5
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Post by folatre on Jul 23, 2020 13:23:05 GMT -5
I like the look. I thought they might do something green (like the wildly popular Seattle Sounders).
I wonder what color the pants will be. It would seem black is an impossibility since black does not appear to be among the three secondary colours on the sweater and after all who needs another team wearing black pants when more than one-third of the league already does.
Jeje, Kraken rum? Never heard of it. That is a nice looking bottle, though. Is that like a quarantine style litre size?
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Jul 23, 2020 15:13:18 GMT -5
I wonder if they have to pay Proximo Spirits any royalties? All looked after. |
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Post by Tankdriver on Jul 24, 2020 7:56:19 GMT -5
I like the look. I thought they might do something green (like the wildly popular Seattle Sounders). I wonder what color the pants will be. It would seem black is an impossibility since black does not appear to be among the three secondary colours on the sweater and after all who needs another team wearing black pants when more than one-third of the league already does. Jeje, Kraken rum? Never heard of it. That is a nice looking bottle, though. Is that like a quarantine style litre size? I actually like the taste of it. When I bring it to the parties, the slogan is release the kraken. When the happens, you know it is going to be a long night. Unfortunately some people are already dissing the new name...talking about going t the krakhouse and being krakhead fans... The jersey isn't bad. I was expecting some green, but I see the rational of the colour blue for sea waters..The logo is okay....was thinking there would be more tentacles. Another one or two grabbing the "S" would make it more pronounced. |
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Post by frozone on Jul 24, 2020 8:34:51 GMT -5
I don't think it's so much those names themselves. It's more about the continual marginalization of their people and culture, particularly after having been slaughtered and their land taken away. But I think your intention in creating this thread was to talk about the Seattle team name. They went with Kraken and you can watch the video here: Seattle Kraken reveal nickname for NHL expansion teamThere are First Nations/Native Americans who like/dislike/could have cared less about the "Redskins" issue, but not all sides of the debate are respected ... being of First Nations descent, myself, (Mi'Kmaq) I did not have a problem with the name "Redskins" or with the name "Eskimos" ... a cut & paste from Wikipedia ... The current logo, proposed by Walter Wetzel, a former Blackfeet tribal chairman and past president of the National Congress of American Indians, was introduced in 1972 and is modeled after the likeness on the Buffalo nickel.[17] Members of the Blackfeet tribe express a range of opinions, from support to indifference to strong opposition to the Redskins name based upon their personal experiences.Just my opinion, but while there are white people who truly believe in the cause, there are also a lot of white people who are participating in this for no other reason than to show others just how high they are on the moral high ground ... moreover, how many white people are participating in this because they're afraid to be singled out as bigots and racists if they don't ... all this is to say that, white people should not have a say in this ... this issue should rest with First Nations, Native Americans, and Inuit, and if they have a problem with it then let them run with it ... I found this and posted it on Twitter ... that was 10 days ago and I can't believe I haven't heard from any haters, as yet ... Cheers. Couldn't agree more, Dis. And if First Nations were given the opportunity to talk about what matters most to them these days, I'd be surprised if the names of sports franchises was the leading topic. Bigger fish to fry, methinks. As for the Kraken, the name is starting to grow on me a little bit, but the uniforms are slowly doing the opposite. I guess I have to see it with the pants and socks to get a good idea what the overall look will be. Unfortunately the colour scheme falls a bit too close to the NYI uniforms of the late 90's for my liking. And the rum is good. Not the best quality, but definitely good bang for your buck. |
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Post by jkr on Jul 24, 2020 9:15:59 GMT -5
I read this article & my take is that the writer does find the Washington team name offensive but that she does not need white people telling her what to think about it.
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Post by Skilly on Jul 24, 2020 12:04:40 GMT -5
Seems no one likes plural team names anymore … I'm just going to call them the "Sea"ttle Sea Monsters
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Post by franko on Jul 24, 2020 13:26:39 GMT -5
I read this article & my take is that the writer does find the Washington team name offensive but that she does not need white people telling her what to think about it. collective impugned guilt . . . and still the non-indigenous telling the indigenous how to think and act under the guise of support (we know what you think so let us think for you). just my worthless 2¢ |
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Post by Willie Dog on Jul 25, 2020 13:38:46 GMT -5
I dont mind Kraken, people can have fun with it... Jerks in Carolina Krakheads in Seatle...
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Post by folatre on Jul 26, 2020 21:30:49 GMT -5
I dont mind Kraken, people can have fun with it... Jerks in Carolina Krakheads in Seatle... My first impression of the name was okay that is kind of silly, but it will probably grow on me as everyone settles in and has fun with it. My son and his hockey mates were zooming yesterday after dinner and they all thought Kraken was cool, not too surprising for a bunch of eight year olds. Regarding the issue of offensive team names, I will admit that I have lived my life mostly agnostic on the whole theme. When I initially came to Canada and later the U.S., I never thought much about Redmen, Eskimos, Warriors, Indians, Fighting Irish, etc. In my homeland, Chile, society at its core is more clasista and racista than North America yet the logo of the most popular futbol club (Colo Colo) in the country could be construed to reinforce certain stereotypes about the Mapuche people (or indigenous peoples in general in Chile). However, I have probably not heard more than a handful of negative comments about it in my lifetime. Incidentally, the club that I am a supporter of, La Catolica, is nicknamed los cruzados (The Crusaders). I have a quite a number of friends of Arab origin and this nickname does not seem to phase anyone.  |
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Post by folatre on Dec 17, 2020 11:19:04 GMT -5
Well, I must say that I did not see this one coming. Apparently there is a now a spat over the Canucks' logo. A professor at the University of Manitoba believes the Orca logo is an example of cultural appropriation and thus it is unacceptable.
According to Vancouver's owner, Francesco Aquilini, the First Nations communities of BC do not have a problem with the logo.
I certainly do not profess to be a holder of the truth on such matters, but I cannot imagine how indignant this professor would be if he, say, lived in Chile or countries/societies where the popular characterizations of indigenous peoples are exponentially more disrespectful and prone to contribute to the perpetuation of negative stereotypes.
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Dec 19, 2020 13:09:41 GMT -5
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Post by seventeen on Dec 19, 2020 15:26:48 GMT -5
Maybe this isn't mainstream thinking, but when I hear a team is changing its name because of political correctness, there are occasions where it doesn't make sense to me. Washington Redskins, yes. That's demeaning term for a people. Atlanta Braves? Not so sure. Brave has a lot of positive connotations.
I would agree with Chicago. Black Hawk was a famous war chief who defended his people's rights. A patriot in one sense. There's nothing there that should embarrass an indigenous American. Maybe I don't have the whole story, but some name changes seem to smack of excess sensitivity.
Then we have names (which I consider absolutely great) like Toledo Mudhens, Lansing Lug Nuts and Albany River Rats.
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Post by Cranky on Dec 19, 2020 20:07:46 GMT -5
WAY too much "sensitivity" when in many if not most cases, non is warranted. Somebody somewhere wont like something and twitter like a twit, then his friend will twitter like more twits.....demanding others obey and bend to their "sensitivities". This then becomes about the mob exerting power over others thoughts then actual "hurt feelings". Political correctness by mob....
Don't care about twitter or twits or mobs hurt feelings.....
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Post by Cranky on Dec 19, 2020 20:16:54 GMT -5
most popular futbol club (Colo Colo) In Greek it means "butt". And no, I'm not butt hurt because of that.....  WAY BACK (further back then I want to think about!) we had a bakery in the neighborhood called Colo Bakery. Every day, this 7-8 years old would cross the street to get fresh, warm buns....  Multinationals spend a lot of money searching for different meaning to their brand names. A car called Toyota Grand Colo is not going to sell well in Greece. Once the internet gets hold of that meaning, then the product is doomed. |
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Post by seventeen on Dec 20, 2020 2:08:51 GMT -5
The Colo Corolla might sell cause it rolls off the tongue.
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Dec 20, 2020 12:53:18 GMT -5
Well, I must say that I did not see this one coming. Apparently there is a now a spat over the Canucks' logo. A professor at the University of Manitoba believes the Orca logo is an example of cultural appropriation and thus it is unacceptable. According to Vancouver's owner, Francesco Aquilini, the First Nations communities of BC do not have a problem with the logo. I certainly do not profess to be a holder of the truth on such matters, but I cannot imagine how indignant this professor would be if he, say, lived in Chile or countries/societies where the popular characterizations of indigenous peoples are exponentially more disrespectful and prone to contribute to the perpetuation of negative stereotypes. I had to look up who Sean Carleton is, and he's a professor of Canadian history, Indigenous history, etc ... he's also the one who got the ball rolling with the Canucks logo ... he may really believe in what he's doing, I don't know, but by not consulting the First Nations beforehand, I question his sincerity ... that said, if he really does want to make a difference, why stop there ... the Chilliwack Chiefs logo (below) was designed by an artist from the Tzeachten First Nation, and it resembles several of the logos that have come under controversy over recent years ... the only difference I see between this and the Canucks controversy is that the Vancouver organization failed to get permission from the First Nations beforehand, while the logo below was done with permission of the Tzeachten First Nation ... mind you, it'll probably irk someone somewhere ... |
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Post by seventeen on Dec 20, 2020 19:24:15 GMT -5
Well, I must say that I did not see this one coming. Apparently there is a now a spat over the Canucks' logo. A professor at the University of Manitoba believes the Orca logo is an example of cultural appropriation and thus it is unacceptable. According to Vancouver's owner, Francesco Aquilini, the First Nations communities of BC do not have a problem with the logo. I certainly do not profess to be a holder of the truth on such matters, but I cannot imagine how indignant this professor would be if he, say, lived in Chile or countries/societies where the popular characterizations of indigenous peoples are exponentially more disrespectful and prone to contribute to the perpetuation of negative stereotypes. Talk about a stretch. Since when did anyone ‘own’ an Orca? I’ve always had a special relationship with mosquitos so does that mean I can sue any company selling mosquito repellent for infringing on my historical (decades in fact!) affiliation? Sheeesh. |
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Post by folatre on Dec 20, 2020 19:55:19 GMT -5
Cranky, that made me laugh.
The word colocolo comes from an indigenous language and I think it was maybe the name of a chief who fought against the Spaniards.
In Spanish the word culo is a rather vulgar word to use in reference to a woman’s derriere.
Dis, that Chilliwack Chiefs logo looks awesome. You are probably right that the only substantive difference is that Vancouver’s logo designer was not a First Nations individual himself/herself.
Again, growing up, I never thought much about subtle forms of discrimination like team nicknames being hurtful or perpetuating negative stereotypes. I am more sensitive to those issues now. For example, one of the rinks where my son's team plays on occasion is the home rink for a high school that still uses the Redmen nickname. That is a little disappointing in this day and age. But some of the more gray area nicknames like warriors, I don't know really, for me provided the logo is dignified and respectful then I guess I do not perceive it to be a big deal.
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