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Post by Willie Dog on Aug 15, 2020 9:34:04 GMT -5
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Post by jkr on Aug 15, 2020 10:17:52 GMT -5
I find it disappointing that Friedman would engage in this type of speculation. It's just lazy connect the dots type of thinking - Domi Sr. Is a friend of Lemieux so Domi Jr. Ends up there?
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Post by folatre on Aug 15, 2020 11:01:19 GMT -5
Yeah, I guess it is his prerogative to speculate if he wants to since speculation is a way to create content. However, Friedman should probably be clearer that Bergevin was not in fact talking to Rutherford this week about Domi.
McCann is not even a good third line centre and he is not really the type of bottom six winger that I want on the Habs. Bjugstad is a big man but he is injury-riddled and frankly he has regressed as he entered his late 20s. Plus, Bjugstad is owed $5.25 million in real money for 2020-21, which is likely going to be a season with dramatically lower revenue than 2019-20 so let's be honest, Pittsburgh is stuck with this guy. Basically this rumour this sounds like the fans of one team dreaming of off-loading junk in exchange for a good player.
And there is another big question mark in this. If it is true that Domi wants to play centre, then why would he want to be in three hole behind Crosby and Malkin? And if Domi is actually amenable to being a top six winger, then why not just hammer out a contract and keep him on the Canadien?
The Buffalo rumour makes more sense because it presupposes that Kevyn Adams sees Domi as the answer to their second line centre problem. And the 8th overall pick clearly has more value than the 15th.
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Post by jkr on Aug 15, 2020 11:15:31 GMT -5
Thank you for doing the grunt work of looking up those details. I was too lazy to do it.  It's one thing for me, as a fan on a discussion board, not to bother with those details. But Friedman is paid to do this & has a reputation to uphold. Fans now demand more. They want evidence based discussion, not just rumors that have been made up. It's time for Friedman to shave that ridiculous beard, ditch the pink sport coats and get back to the business of being a serious hockey reporter. |
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Post by folatre on Aug 15, 2020 13:14:56 GMT -5
I get it why hockey observers may want to speculate about Domi since he is a good player in his prime and does not have a contract for next season, plus he has got that great name recognition because of his famous father. But for multiple reasons Pittsburgh just does not seem like a logical match if Bergevin decides to move him.
Jeje, I have to agree with you about Friedman's pandemic appearance, that beard should not mix with television.
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Post by Willie Dog on Aug 15, 2020 13:50:02 GMT -5
This sounds like an e4.😛
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Post by Cranky on Aug 15, 2020 16:08:03 GMT -5
Friedman is snorting his beard if he thinks the Pigeons are getting Domi for dregs.
They want Domi? We want Guentzel.
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Post by PTH on Aug 15, 2020 17:02:02 GMT -5
I get it why hockey observers may want to speculate about Domi since he is a good player in his prime and does not have a contract for next season, plus he has got that great name recognition because of his famous father. But for multiple reasons Pittsburgh just does not seem like a logical match if Bergevin decides to move him. Well, a guy like him adds youngish offense to an aging team, so I could see it. Plus as a center it means Malkin stays on Crosby's wing, or Domi plays wing for one of those 2, which isn't uninteresting for Max. Agree 200%. |
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Post by folatre on Aug 15, 2020 21:25:57 GMT -5
I agree with you that an offensive player may certainly be enticed by joining a team led by Crosby and Malkin.
But the problems I see with the “fit” factor relate to Domi's apparent preference to play centre (I don't think a guy with Malkin's career is getting bumped to the wing), the Penguins' limited cap space and the fact that Pittsburgh has so little to offer in exchange.
The guys the Penguins would like to move (Jack Johnson, Hornqvist, Bjugstad) are negative assets and close to immovable. And Pittsburgh has one of the most meager prospect pools in the league and likewise lack the draft pick capital to land a big fish like Domi.
Assuming that a contract with Domi could be agreed on, what could Rutherford offer that represents fair value? For me the 15th overall pick would be a little light in terms of payment.
Is Poulin for Domi one for one fair?
What about Legare and a 2022 second rounder for Domi?
It’s tough because Rutherford logically cannot give a good roster piece because time is ticking and his commitment is to win one more Cup with his legendary core. And Bergevin is not going to overly impressed with ‘futures’ because the runway on his own contract gets shorter each year and subtracting Domi while not adding an NHL ready roster piece makes the Canadien potentially worse rather than better.
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Post by GNick99 on Aug 16, 2020 5:39:54 GMT -5
Jeff Marek was on Hockey Central last week said something similar. Said Ruthergord tried hard to get Domi when he was in Arizona. Pittsburgh ousted early he has been told to make some changes. Several connecting dots there. I would ask for either Poulin or their first. According to how bad Rutherford wants Domi. |
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Post by BadCompany on Aug 16, 2020 8:41:01 GMT -5
I think Domi's desire to play center is greatly exaggerated. Sure, I'm sure he prefers center, but he's also said he will play anywhere and that he loves Montreal.
I also think that playing with Kotkaniemi will be like playing center. Kotkaniemi is very good at using his long reach in the defensive zone to recover and strip pucks, and at cutting off passes. He also excels at making short, quick little passes to get out of the zone, often passes that nobody else sees. But he's not very good at skating the puck out, or through the neutral zone. He doesn't have good speed or shiftiness. You know who does? Domi. Domi loves to skate and weave through the neutral zone and make zone entries. That's the fun part of being a center. Playing defense? Not so much.
So you have Kotkaniemi doing that and then making those little passes to Domi to break out. Its a nice mesh of skills. Given that, I think that Domi won't mind playing on Kotkaniemi's wing, especially if they keep racking up points together.
I'm resigning him if it were up to me.
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Post by folatre on Aug 16, 2020 8:59:36 GMT -5
Given his age, skill level, and toughness, I would keep Domi over a number of other small left-handed wingers currently on the club.
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Post by Cranky on Aug 17, 2020 15:05:38 GMT -5
There is NO doubt that Domi needs to be signed. I don't know why that would even be a question.
IF Kk and Suzuki have truly risen to top C's AND Caufield is the real deal AND our LHD is still questionable, then he's really good trade bait.
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Post by folatre on Aug 17, 2020 17:03:01 GMT -5
Domi has no choice but to sign. He either works out a deal with Bergevin or his case goes to arbitration. If Montreal decided to trade him, Bergevin could tell Domi's agent, Pat Brisson, to figure out the dollars and term with the club that Montreal strikes a deal with.
I hope Domi settles in on the wing and plays involved hockey on a nightly basis. I would rather part ways with a couple of other wingers.
But if there ultimately is some core disagreement with him about where he plays (wing vs. centre) or some issue the coach (Julien) has with how he plays (i.e. inattention to defense, too much pond hockey with the puck), then Bergevin needs to analyze carefully what constitutes fair value.
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Aug 20, 2020 14:36:16 GMT -5
... e4 works for me  ...  |
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Post by Willie Dog on Aug 20, 2020 14:38:11 GMT -5
Lol... e4 was one of the ratings of a guy that would rate the possibility of a hockey trade... cant remember what his name was... I keep thinking Spector but that's not it
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Post by franko on Aug 20, 2020 15:51:26 GMT -5
Lol... e4 was one of the ratings of a guy that would rate the possibility of a hockey trade... cant remember what his name was... I keep thinking Spector but that's not it Eklund |
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Post by Willie Dog on Aug 20, 2020 16:10:31 GMT -5
Lol... e4 was one of the ratings of a guy that would rate the possibility of a hockey trade... cant remember what his name was... I keep thinking Spector but that's not it Eklund That's him... Thanks bud.. |
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Aug 20, 2020 18:15:58 GMT -5
Lol... e4 was one of the ratings of a guy that would rate the possibility of a hockey trade... cant remember what his name was... I keep thinking Spector but that's not it I knew you were citing the Eklund Scale ... I remembered it, but being a chess player ... never mind ... TSN brought him in during one of the drafts and kept him in darkened booth to keep his anonymity intact ... I'll hand it to him, he did well garnering attention onto himself ... Cheers. |
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Post by Willie Dog on Aug 20, 2020 19:07:46 GMT -5
Lol... e4 was one of the ratings of a guy that would rate the possibility of a hockey trade... cant remember what his name was... I keep thinking Spector but that's not it I knew you were citing the Eklund Scale ... I remembered it, but being a chess player ... never mind ... TSN brought him in during one of the drafts and kept him in darkened booth to keep his anonymity intact ... I'll hand it to him, he did well garnering attention onto himself ... Cheers. Your post made me chuckle but it was bugging me that I couldn't remember his name |
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Aug 22, 2020 17:55:01 GMT -5
I knew you were citing the Eklund Scale ... I remembered it, but being a chess player ... never mind ... TSN brought him in during one of the drafts and kept him in darkened booth to keep his anonymity intact ... I'll hand it to him, he did well garnering attention onto himself ... Cheers. Your post made me chuckle but it was bugging me that I couldn't remember his name That's okay, I forgot that Steve Yzerman is in Detroit and Julien Brisebois is running the show in Tampa #shakeshead ... I regard Eklund as being the most successful sports blogger of his time ... his outlandish claims got the networks interested, and he took off from there ... Cheers. |
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Post by Anardil1 on Aug 22, 2020 17:57:58 GMT -5
Lol... e4 was one of the ratings of a guy that would rate the possibility of a hockey trade... cant remember what his name was... I keep thinking Spector but that's not it I knew you were citing the Eklund Scale ... I remembered it, but being a chess player ... never mind ... TSN brought him in during one of the drafts and kept him in darkened booth to keep his anonymity intact ... I'll hand it to him, he did well garnering attention onto himself ... Cheers. It was SportsNet and it was during the Trade deadline...Jeez, I seem to be the HabsRUs fact checker today. I'm starting to find myself annoying.  |
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Aug 23, 2020 10:41:27 GMT -5
I knew you were citing the Eklund Scale ... I remembered it, but being a chess player ... never mind ... TSN brought him in during one of the drafts and kept him in darkened booth to keep his anonymity intact ... I'll hand it to him, he did well garnering attention onto himself ... Cheers. It was SportsNet and it was during the Trade deadline...Jeez, I seem to be the HabsRUs fact checker today. I'm starting to find myself annoying. No, it's not the HabsRus community it's just the one guy you have to be worried about, and I don't mind at all ... Cheers, dude |
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