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Post by UberCranky on Aug 22, 2020 0:12:56 GMT -5
There wasn't a donkey to pin the tail on, but then other then a few, our issues before these series are still issues.
Price....A+.....when he played lights out, we were pretty hard to beat. It's not his fault we lose 1-0 or 2-1 games.
Suzuki...A... He is showing elite level capability and he may be our 1C for the foreseable decade.
Kk....B....He was not the same man that was demoted last year. I'm not ready to call him a certain 1C, but this playoffs pushed him past the 3C of two years ago. BTW...anyone remember how Damphouse use to play? He was a real pain in the kester, pretty mean and could rack up those points. Kk is heading there.
Kulak...C+....up and down. At times he was top 4, at times he was a 7th defenseman. I think that he doesn't have enough tools to be a top 4, but maybe he has matured enough to be a top 6.
Domi...C-....I expected far, far more. I thought he would be our hidden beast, turns out more like an angry cabbage patch doll.
Drouin....C+....he was at times invisible, at times donkey tail level, but stepped up near the end.
Weber.....A.....he played well and was a punishing beast.
Danault.....C+....played like what he is, a 3C on a good team.
Petry.....B+.....he is our best offensive defenseman, but that's no going to make us contender.
Gally....C+....played like himself the last few games but otherwise he was a shooting machine to nowheresville.
Armia.....B-....that B is for his capabilities, not the results. He's our new Eller and there is a bit more upside in him.
Lehkonen.....C+....a lunch pail player that brought his lunch pail. Nothing more.
Tatar....C.....neither stunk up the joint nor show us that he was our leading scorer. I'd be very careful to what I re-sign him too.
Chiarot....B....that is a B relative to his work. Punishing beast and from the same school of shooting that Gally went to. Meaning, lots of low percentage shots. Thats he's our top LHD is not his fault,
Mete....C....he played his role but he should never be our top 4 if we ever stop being pretenders.
Byron....C+...he's just there. Neither s force nor a liability. Filler.
That's my take..
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Post by seventeen on Aug 22, 2020 2:01:37 GMT -5
My take from this series is that it proved without a doubt that the key leader on the team is Brendan Gallagher. Weber, -3 tonight. One could argue till the cows come home that the goals weren't his fault, but I seem to recall his last playoff with Nashville, he was -5 or something like that. Seems to have bad luck. Never close to a SC. He will never be traded by Bergevin but he would be on the top of my list because of a) perceeived value, b) his contract and CAP cost and c) seems to bring bad luck (like that tip in on the first Philly goal)
BTW, Jacob Delarose had those same vibes. Some guys think the Blues/Nucks series turned in game 5 when a Blues clearing pass hit a lineseman, sending DLR in on a breakaway and (surprise) Markstrom stopped it. Tonight, he stepped on a puck, fell, with the puck going to that noted sniper Jay Beagle, who started the Canucks off with the first goal of the game. Some guys just aren't lucky. Pretty good ratings, Cranky. I think I'd have given Mete a higher score and Weber a lower one because in a critical game, he goes -3. Where's Ouellet? (let the smart remarks begin). BTW, I think Oulett was ok. Should never be on a SC contender, but he played well all things considered.
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Post by Tankdriver on Aug 22, 2020 3:46:26 GMT -5
As Skilly would say, we still have no offence and he's right. Way too many overpaid useless wingers. Tatar and Gallagher are second line at best.
You keep either Byron or Lekhonen. Same with Domi or Tatar.
You dump two of the 4, pick up a real winger in say a Taylor Hall.
You need Penalry.killers....so say you keep Lekohnen, Danault, Evans and Armia. That's enough.
On offense you keep Gally, Suzuki, K.K and either Domi or Droin. Fill in the other two spots with some talent and hopefully size and you have a chance.
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Post by GNick99 on Aug 22, 2020 6:05:47 GMT -5
Well, the August Madness tourny and season is over for the Canadiens. But it was a fun playoff. Young team, who upset Crosby and the Pens. Then gave #1 seed in East a good battle. Suzuki, Koktaniemi going to future stars. Price back to his old self. Habs have more picks in this draft than any other team. We have one of strongest farm systems in the league and tons of caproom. Things look real good.
I think they may trade Domi for a #1 pick. Probably use their caproom to bring in another scorer. Reports are many teams are hard hit financial by Covid and players will be available not normally available. Not all but a few teams need the money.
Going to be interesting draft and sounds like more turnover than usual for many NHL clubs this offseason. Rumours persist Nashville may make major trades, Pittsburgh? Calgary? San Jose? Toronto. Anxiously waiting for this off season
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Post by Tankdriver on Aug 22, 2020 10:08:56 GMT -5
Any smart GM with Cap space would leverage it to the Mazda this summer and take on a bad player plus a first round or get prospect. I can see Nashville doing that kind of package to get rid of Turris.
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Post by jkr on Aug 22, 2020 11:16:34 GMT -5
My biggest disapointments were Tatar & Domi. Except for the 5-0 game these guys provided little and in Domi's case, sometimes were a negative. As an example, last night Domi had control of the puck in the offensive zone. It just rolls off his stick to Laughton who takes off for the Montreal zone. Domi chases him down bug gets a penalty. I found that typical of his play. Giving him a C- was too kind Cranky. (Anybody ever say that to you).
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Post by UberCranky on Aug 22, 2020 14:53:05 GMT -5
Giving him a C- was too kind Cranky. (Anybody ever say that to you). Never. It ruins my image! I can't really rate them lower then a C- otherwise they should not be on the team. An F would mean they shouldn't be in the NHL. Domi neither hurt nor contributed. He had a "better" game but for someone who had 70 points two years ago, he was more of filler then a difference maker. He could of been and has the tools to be....but he wasn't. Absolutely trade bait for a top 10 pick. I doubt he feels a Hab lifer that will accept a reasonable offer. Judging from his entire history, that 70 point year looks like a fluke.
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Post by seventeen on Aug 22, 2020 17:58:42 GMT -5
Bergevin stated in his Presser today that Gallagher suffered some kind of tear in a hip muscle early in the play-in. Glad to hear that because we all knew he wasn't the Gallagher that we expected. It must have been feeling better later against Philly as he was playing better then. Was convinced he was hurt. His play doesn't regress like it did without a good reason. Not Gallagher.
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Post by Willie Dog on Aug 22, 2020 20:28:23 GMT -5
Bergevin stated in his Presser today that Gallagher suffered some kind of tear in a hip muscle early in the play-in. Glad to hear that because we all knew he wasn't the Gallagher that we expected. It must have been feeling better later against Philly as he was playing better then. Was convinced he was hurt. His play doesn't regress like it did without a good reason. Not Gallagher. I love the guy but he shouldn't have been playing... simple as that... he was invisible in the 1st 4 games against the fleas
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Post by GNick99 on Aug 23, 2020 12:21:09 GMT -5
Giving him a C- was too kind Cranky. (Anybody ever say that to you). Never. It ruins my image! I can't really rate them lower then a C- otherwise they should not be on the team. An F would mean they shouldn't be in the NHL. Domi neither hurt nor contributed. He had a "better" game but for someone who had 70 points two years ago, he was more of filler then a difference maker. He could of been and has the tools to be....but he wasn't. Absolutely trade bait for a top 10 pick. I doubt he feels a Hab lifer that will accept a reasonable offer. Judging from his entire history, that 70 point year looks like a fluke. Domi was untouchable on this board a year ago. Hard to believe he fell so far.
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Post by seventeen on Aug 23, 2020 13:46:36 GMT -5
Bergevin stated in his Presser today that Gallagher suffered some kind of tear in a hip muscle early in the play-in. Glad to hear that because we all knew he wasn't the Gallagher that we expected. It must have been feeling better later against Philly as he was playing better then. Was convinced he was hurt. His play doesn't regress like it did without a good reason. Not Gallagher. I love the guy but he shouldn't have been playing... simple as that... he was invisible in the 1st 4 games against the fleas That is a good question. Bergevin said that Gallagher wasn't having anything to do with sitting and I can see that. Oee wonders what a replacement would have done. It's something I think we've discussed in the past....Montreal's handling of injured players. At times we've wondered if they bring players back too soon, or allow them to play if they are injured. It's the culture of hockey that a player is supposed to play even if their leg has been amputated. That needs to change, but player safety has rarely been the focus of any group in hockey, much less the NHL.
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Post by Boston_Habs on Aug 23, 2020 13:57:14 GMT -5
Regarding Domi, he’s part of what makes this team so maddening to evaluate. Who is Max Domi? Who is Jonathan Drouin?
That’s why I put more stock on the regular season than the playoffs. Show me what you can do over 82 games and the slog of January and February and do it consistently. We have a few guys who can do that - Gallagher, Weber, Petry but that’s basically it. Even Price has been pretty inconsistent as a supposed franchise goalie.
That’s why the optimism about guys like Suzuki and KK needs to tempered with caution about the need to do it over 82 games.
Regular season success. I’ve been beating this drum for years. It matters way more than people think it does. In the case of Bergevin he argues it doesn’t matter to cover up for his failure to produce a regular season winner in a long time.
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Post by UberCranky on Aug 23, 2020 14:40:50 GMT -5
There is no faster way to degrade ANY hope then to think that we have Bbinz as GM.
We accomplished NOTHING other then being .500 in a post season we had no business being there. Yet the clown thinks THIS is progress?
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Post by Willie Dog on Aug 23, 2020 14:43:16 GMT -5
There is no faster way to degrade ANY hope then to think that we have Bbinz as GM. We accomplished NOTHING other then being .500 in a post season we had no business being there. Yet the clown thinks THIS is progress? Crankster, he has to spin it this way... if he's honest he would lose his job...
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