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Post by Tankdriver on Aug 25, 2020 11:52:22 GMT -5
From TSN:
The Toronto Maple Leafs have traded Kasperi Kapanen, Jesper Lindgren and Pontus Aberg to the Pittsburgh Penguins in exchange for a 2020 first-round pick, Evan Rodrigues, Filip Hallander and David Warsofsky.
Hallander, 20, was drafted by the Penguins in the second round of the 2018 NHL Draft. The centre had five goals and 14 points in 27 games with Lulea HF in Sweden this season.
The Leafs basically got 3.2 million of cap space, 15th overall, a second rounder for Kapanen.
While Bergervin worries about future cap space, Dubas spends it and adjusts afterwards. Yes the Marleau deal was bad, but atleast they actually try to get stuff done.
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Post by PTH on Aug 25, 2020 11:54:16 GMT -5
I was hoping for that 15th for Domi, frankly...
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Post by Habs_fan_in_LA on Aug 25, 2020 11:56:59 GMT -5
From TSN: The Toronto Maple Leafs have traded Kasperi Kapanen, Jesper Lindgren and Pontus Aberg to the Pittsburgh Penguins in exchange for a 2020 first-round pick, Evan Rodrigues, Filip Hallander and David Warsofsky. Hallander, 20, was drafted by the Penguins in the second round of the 2018 NHL Draft. The centre had five goals and 14 points in 27 games with Lulea HF in Sweden this season. The Leafs basically got 3.2 million of cap space, 15th overall, a second rounder for Kapanen. While Bergervin worries about future cap space, Dubas spends it and adjusts afterwards. Yes the Marleau deal was bad, but atleast they actually try to get stuff done. Making a trade is hard. It’s much easier to do nothing and cash your $7 million dollar paycheck. |
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Post by Willie Dog on Aug 25, 2020 12:43:02 GMT -5
From TSN: The Toronto Maple Leafs have traded Kasperi Kapanen, Jesper Lindgren and Pontus Aberg to the Pittsburgh Penguins in exchange for a 2020 first-round pick, Evan Rodrigues, Filip Hallander and David Warsofsky. Hallander, 20, was drafted by the Penguins in the second round of the 2018 NHL Draft. The centre had five goals and 14 points in 27 games with Lulea HF in Sweden this season. The Leafs basically got 3.2 million of cap space, 15th overall, a second rounder for Kapanen. While Bergervin worries about future cap space, Dubas spends it and adjusts afterwards. Yes the Marleau deal was bad, but atleast they actually try to get stuff done. Making a trade is hard. It’s much easier to do nothing and cash your $7 million dollar paycheck. we have 18 mill in cap space with Domi, Hudon and Mete to sign |
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Post by Willie Dog on Aug 25, 2020 12:46:07 GMT -5
From TSN: The Toronto Maple Leafs have traded Kasperi Kapanen, Jesper Lindgren and Pontus Aberg to the Pittsburgh Penguins in exchange for a 2020 first-round pick, Evan Rodrigues, Filip Hallander and David Warsofsky. Hallander, 20, was drafted by the Penguins in the second round of the 2018 NHL Draft. The centre had five goals and 14 points in 27 games with Lulea HF in Sweden this season. The Leafs basically got 3.2 million of cap space, 15th overall, a second rounder for Kapanen. While Bergervin worries about future cap space, Dubas spends it and adjusts afterwards. Yes the Marleau deal was bad, but atleast they actually try to get stuff done. So this means the Leafs pick before us, they took 3.2 off the books and the 1.1 is off the books for Lehner... They should have 7.8 available... They will be looking for a D man... Brodin maybe? Alzner eats up 5% of our cap space... that sickens me! |
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Post by jkr on Aug 25, 2020 13:00:17 GMT -5
So Rutherford gives up a 1st for a guy that has 40 goals in 200 games & gives Dubas a chance to atone for his other mistakes - like giving up a 1st to the Canes to get them to take Marleau.
Maybe 17 is right about about Rutherford after all.
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Post by jkr on Aug 25, 2020 13:04:00 GMT -5
From TSN: The Toronto Maple Leafs have traded Kasperi Kapanen, Jesper Lindgren and Pontus Aberg to the Pittsburgh Penguins in exchange for a 2020 first-round pick, Evan Rodrigues, Filip Hallander and David Warsofsky. Hallander, 20, was drafted by the Penguins in the second round of the 2018 NHL Draft. The centre had five goals and 14 points in 27 games with Lulea HF in Sweden this season. The Leafs basically got 3.2 million of cap space, 15th overall, a second rounder for Kapanen. While Bergervin worries about future cap space, Dubas spends it and adjusts afterwards. Yes the Marleau deal was bad, but atleast they actually try to get stuff done. So this means the Leafs pick before us, they took 3.2 off the books and the 1.1 is off the books for Lehner... They should have 7.8 available... They will be looking for a D man... Brodin maybe? Alzner eats up 5% of our cap space... that sickens me! He needs a D man because his pickups from last year, Ceci & Barrie are UFA & not worth keeping around. |
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Post by seventeen on Aug 25, 2020 13:40:14 GMT -5
So Rutherford gives up a 1st for a guy that has 40 goals in 200 games & gives Dubas a chance to atone for his other mistakes - like giving up a 1st to the Canes to get them to take Marleau. Maybe 17 is right about about Rutherford after all. He’s a 3rd quartile GM. The Kessel trade was very good because that was a key to getting 2 Cups, but as in Carolina with Cam Ward, he had an average or worse goalie get hot and had injuries to other teams give him a tailwind. One of the least deserving GM’s ever. Great stock of horseshoes though. I’d have to look more closely at this deal and the prospects. I’ve always liked Kapanen. |
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Aug 25, 2020 15:09:48 GMT -5
So much for Elliotte Friedman's rumour ... didn't he have Max Domi going to Pittsburgh ... there was a lot of talk on Twitter after Domi removed "MTL" from his Twitter and Instagram pages ... then the rumour mill went into hyper-drive ... we'll see, I guess ...
Cheers.
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Post by folatre on Aug 25, 2020 18:02:56 GMT -5
Yeah, who knows, I never thought linking Domi to Pittsburgh made all that much sense.
Regarding this Leafs-Penguins trade, I think Rutherford rates Kapenen higher than most GMs do. Dubas is not only getting a mid first rounder, he's getting cap space, a valuable commodity. The remainder of the pieces in the trade seem to me to be of almost no consequence.
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Post by seventeen on Aug 25, 2020 18:41:06 GMT -5
I’d prefer Kapanen to Domi myself. Lower maintenance and some decent skill. With Nylander and Marner ahead of him, he didn’t have as much opportunity to improve.
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Post by seventeen on Aug 25, 2020 18:45:44 GMT -5
Yeah, who knows, I never thought linking Domi to Pittsburgh made all that much sense. Regarding this Leafs-Penguins trade, I think Rutherford rates Kapenen higher than most GMs do. Dubas is not only getting a mid first rounder, he's getting cap space, a valuable commodity. The remainder of the pieces in the trade seem to me to be of almost no consequence. Hallander may have some value and Rodrigues is an average 4th liner. |
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Post by Cranky on Aug 25, 2020 22:38:34 GMT -5
Kappy is RFA in two years. Domi for Kappy is fine by me.
BTW....he's getting closer to his dads name....which had a lot of mm's in it.
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Post by GNick99 on Aug 26, 2020 5:49:58 GMT -5
From TSN: The Toronto Maple Leafs have traded Kasperi Kapanen, Jesper Lindgren and Pontus Aberg to the Pittsburgh Penguins in exchange for a 2020 first-round pick, Evan Rodrigues, Filip Hallander and David Warsofsky. Hallander, 20, was drafted by the Penguins in the second round of the 2018 NHL Draft. The centre had five goals and 14 points in 27 games with Lulea HF in Sweden this season. The Leafs basically got 3.2 million of cap space, 15th overall, a second rounder for Kapanen. While Bergervin worries about future cap space, Dubas spends it and adjusts afterwards. Yes the Marleau deal was bad, but atleast they actually try to get stuff done. kind of surprised when heard of this trade last night. Don't know why Pitt did it really? Knee jerk reaction to early playoff exit? I have learned over the years not to react too quick to playoff results. Thinking Pitt could have signed an equal winger to Kapanen in UFA. Kept their pick. This is decent draft. Also says there was something to Domi rumours going there. |
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Post by jkr on Aug 26, 2020 7:21:05 GMT -5
From TSN: The Toronto Maple Leafs have traded Kasperi Kapanen, Jesper Lindgren and Pontus Aberg to the Pittsburgh Penguins in exchange for a 2020 first-round pick, Evan Rodrigues, Filip Hallander and David Warsofsky. Hallander, 20, was drafted by the Penguins in the second round of the 2018 NHL Draft. The centre had five goals and 14 points in 27 games with Lulea HF in Sweden this season. The Leafs basically got 3.2 million of cap space, 15th overall, a second rounder for Kapanen. While Bergervin worries about future cap space, Dubas spends it and adjusts afterwards. Yes the Marleau deal was bad, but atleast they actually try to get stuff done. kind of surprised when heard of this trade last night. Don't know why Pitt did it really? Knee jerk reaction to early playoff exit? I have learned over the years not to react too quick to playoff results. Thinking Pitt could have signed an equal winger to Kapanen in UFA. Kept their pick. This is decent draft. Also says there was something to Domi rumours going there. Agree. Does Rutherford think so little of 1st round picks that he takes a Leafs 3rd liner with one 20 goal season on his resume?  |
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Post by BadCompany on Aug 26, 2020 7:38:58 GMT -5
Ignoring the peripherals in the deal, the Penguins gave up the 15th overall, and Filip Hallander, who was the 58th pick in the 2018 draft.
A comparable deal for us would be the 16th overall, and Jacob Olofsson, the 56th overall in the 2018 draft.
Kapanen, who is 24 years old, has a career high of 20 goals, 44 points, albeit in only two and a half NHL seasons.
If he breaks out into a 30 goal, 65+ point player then the Penguins did well. But they tried this experiment last year with Galchenyuk, and that did not go so well.
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Aug 26, 2020 9:14:40 GMT -5
Actually, this type of move seems to be well within both Rutherford and the Pens’ MO. They have been trading away picks for ages to try and find depth scoring to keep the Crosby-Malkin window alive. That window is slowly closing on them as seen by their play this year and their prospect cupboard is bare.
BC, your Hallander and Olofsson comparison is bang on. Those were actually the two players I was hoping for at that 56th pick of ours. I gave the edge to Olofsson due to his strong offensive play during his team’s successful bid to advance from the Allsvenskan to the SHL just prior to the draft and because his skating was better. I had watched them at the U18s that spring too. Hallander has looked a bit better since mainly due to Olofsson’s injuries and his struggles to generate offense consistently. Olofsson was starting to get it together just prior to the WJC when he got injured and missed the tourney. Olofsson’s move to a much stronger and more offensively inclined SHL team this season should help to see if he can take his somewhat stagnated development to the next level.
Right now the move looks like an overpayment and a rather hasty knee jerk reaction to a quick exit this summer thanks to a rested Carey Price no less. On the other side, the Leafs have freed up some space, but still have some holes to fill in D. Their roster has not improved. They will make more moves for sure. Not sure they even keep the pick. They like trading away picks for immediate roster relief too.
Kapanen was a guy on the Leafs roster that I rather hoped we could sneak for a song given their cap crunch, but not for a first and a second tier prospect.
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Aug 26, 2020 12:52:18 GMT -5
Nice parody of Walsh’s dufus move.
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Post by seventeen on Aug 26, 2020 13:26:29 GMT -5
kind of surprised when heard of this trade last night. Don't know why Pitt did it really? Knee jerk reaction to early playoff exit? I have learned over the years not to react too quick to playoff results. Thinking Pitt could have signed an equal winger to Kapanen in UFA. Kept their pick. This is decent draft. Also says there was something to Domi rumours going there. Agree. Does Rutherford think so little of 1st round picks that he takes a Leafs 3rd liner with one 20 goal season on his resume? Rutherford loves taking over from GM's who have built up assets and then spending them to win a Cup. Why should he care who has to clean up the mess? Burke did that as well in a couple of places. Neither is that great at drafting/development, but usually ok at trades. This one is fueled entirely by Crosby's and Malkin's shelf life. |
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Post by seventeen on Aug 26, 2020 13:27:29 GMT -5
Ignoring the peripherals in the deal, the Penguins gave up the 15th overall, and Filip Hallander, who was the 58th pick in the 2018 draft. A comparable deal for us would be the 16th overall, and Jacob Olofsson, the 56th overall in the 2018 draft. Kapanen, who is 24 years old, has a career high of 20 goals, 44 points, albeit in only two and a half NHL seasons. If he breaks out into a 30 goal, 65+ point player then the Penguins did well. But they tried this experiment last year with Galchenyuk, and that did not go so well. The difference here is that Kapanen is a much better skater than Chuck. |
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Post by Cranky on Aug 26, 2020 20:32:55 GMT -5
Chuck and Kapy have two hands but not the same nose. Kapy is someone who can add to our depth. In fact, I rather have no Domi and two Kapi then one Gaudreau. If you want to roll four lines of fury, then you also need those four lines to be a scoring threat.
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Post by seventeen on Aug 26, 2020 22:49:53 GMT -5
I doubt there’s any meat to that Gaudreau rumour. Since when has Bergevin done anything that confirms a rumour?
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Post by GNick99 on Sept 3, 2020 13:10:31 GMT -5
Leafs may not be done dealing this off season. Chris Johnston reporting Leafs taking calls on Andersen. Who in turn is preparing not to be in Toronto next year.
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Post by folatre on Sept 3, 2020 13:31:32 GMT -5
Toronto fans should be careful what they wish for. Unless Markstrom or Lehner is slotting in as the starter, I do not see anyone else who would be an upgrade on Andersen.
And those two guys are probably going to command some term (probably four years) and some significant dollars (probably $6 million per).
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Post by Tankdriver on Sept 3, 2020 13:50:34 GMT -5
Rumour has it, Matt Murray is in their sights with Dubas already having a relationship with him in the Soo.
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Post by jkr on Sept 3, 2020 14:39:22 GMT -5
Murray is RFA now. Not sure how that affects trade talks. Made 3.7 last season.
Toronto needs to do something. Andersen is now 30 and has 1 year left at over 5 million. Plus he has never delivered playoff success.
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Post by GNick99 on Sept 3, 2020 15:42:55 GMT -5
Rumour has it, Matt Murray is in their sights with Dubas already having a relationship with him in the Soo. Leafs and Pens front office have a good relationship in terms of trade talks. That sometimes can play a factor in trades. I don't see Murray any better than Andersen. Knowing Dubas, he will get more for Andersen and get Murray for next to nothing. That is where they will gain. |
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