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Post by GNick99 on Jun 10, 2021 8:03:31 GMT -5
Might be a good year to trade our 1st rounder, given how low it is, the uncertainty surrounding this whole year, and the fact that we still have two 2nd rounders. Without having any inside knowledge as to what is going on, and going merely off the speculation that Drouin's personal problems are directly related to playing here, perhaps the best thing for him (and the organization) is to move to another team. A team with a less rabid fan base. What would Drouin and a 1st bring us back, I wonder? Flat cap right, need to consider. Probably better off giving Drouin another shot. Or keeping him on LTIR, not sure of situation with him. But heard many fans trying to dump contracts of decent players. Flames fans saying take Sean Monahan for nil, Blues fans say same thing about Tarasenko. Just two years ago they had them on a pedestal. Imagine many solid players available this summer |
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Post by folatre on Jun 17, 2021 10:15:20 GMT -5
I would like to see Pinelli drop, but I cannot imagine why he would. Maybe a local kid is available. L'Heureux or Bolduc would be good value at the end of the first round. Svechkov may be there as well since some clubs stay away from Russians. He looks like a safe bet to be a solid middle-six winger in the NHL.
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Jun 17, 2021 10:57:03 GMT -5
I think there should be some decent options available when the Habs pick. Just due to the numbers game, some of the names like Samoskevich, Rosén, Pinelli, Othmann, Olausson, Svechkov, Dean, Martino, Tuomaala, perhaps L’Heureux should be available for the Habs. Some will be gone, but there is still some value at that point of the draft this year. They could even reach a bit for a PMD like Heimosalmi who really took off at the U18s. And maybe a guy like Chibrikov slips due to the Russian factor, as that would be a coup at that pick.
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Jun 17, 2021 11:18:53 GMT -5
This is news relevant to the 2022 draft, but the 2021 Gretzky Hlinka Cup is back on in CZE/SVK this August after the 2020 Edmonton/Red Deer event was cancelled. This summer U18 event is the official start of the scouting season as the event features a lot of the top names expected to be called in the following summer’s draft.
Unfortunately, Hockey Canada cancelled its summer U18 camp, so it will not be sending a team. TSN always showed Canada’s games and the medal games in the past, but I don’t expect this will be the case with no Team Canada this year.
The 2022 event should be back in Edmonton/Red Deer.
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Post by GNick99 on Jun 18, 2021 6:14:25 GMT -5
I think there should be some decent options available when the Habs pick. Just due to the numbers game, some of the names like Samoskevich, Rosén, Pinelli, Othmann, Olausson, Svechkov, Dean, Martino, Tuomaala, perhaps L’Heureux should be available for the Habs. Some will be gone, but there is still some value at that point of the draft this year. They could even reach a bit for a PMD like Heimosalmi who really took off at the U18s. And maybe a guy like Chibrikov slips due to the Russian factor, as that would be a coup at that pick. With Habs success in playoffs I have given up on us drafting Coronato. Think we have a shot at a Bourgault? I remember some Cats games from 2 years ago. Hands reminded me of former Cat Beauviller(Islanders). |
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Jun 18, 2021 9:41:30 GMT -5
I think there should be some decent options available when the Habs pick. Just due to the numbers game, some of the names like Samoskevich, Rosén, Pinelli, Othmann, Olausson, Svechkov, Dean, Martino, Tuomaala, perhaps L’Heureux should be available for the Habs. Some will be gone, but there is still some value at that point of the draft this year. They could even reach a bit for a PMD like Heimosalmi who really took off at the U18s. And maybe a guy like Chibrikov slips due to the Russian factor, as that would be a coup at that pick. With Habs success in playoffs I have given up on us drafting Coronato. Think we have a shot at a Bourgault? I remember some Cats games from 2 years ago. Hands reminded me of former Cat Beauviller(Islanders). They have a shot on him for sure. I really have a hard time knowing where Bolduc, Bourgault and L’Heureux go in the first round. There are a lot of players outside of the top half of the first round that are pretty well in a big group for me. A lot will depend on what guys GMs like more, which means some guys will drop for sure by the time the Habs pick. I was really hoping the QMJHL kids would play at the U18s to see how they compare relative to the other CHL guys, and other top players in the world, although it would not have mattered in Bourgault’s case as he has a late 2002 birthday and aged out of this year’s event. |
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Post by folatre on Jun 19, 2021 20:08:31 GMT -5
I do not bring this up because Nicolas Roy is a world beater or anything like that. But he is rangy C/LW who is carving out a bottom six career in the league and he went #96 overall in the 2015 draft.
A mere nine slots earlier (87th), Timmins selected a rangy C/LW from Sweden named Lukas Vejdemo.
I know what his answer would be if I had the opportunity to ask him ("it is not a science but we scout very diligently, we build our board, and we follow our rankings as we submit our picks on draft day"). But for the life of me I cannot understand why Timmins wastes so many middle round picks on Swedes and Americans when there are local kids worth a look.
It makes me think of last year's draft. I remember saying why is Timmins taking Jack Smith rather Villeneuve or Dufour. I am not talking about overreaching and taking a flier on local kids in rounds 1 or 2 unless it is fully researched and warranted. But in those middle rounds, why not mine for some local talent? I found Timmins' day-after response (complete with cracking voice and invoking his wife's heritage/surname) to be rather lame.
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Post by GNick99 on Jun 20, 2021 8:12:27 GMT -5
I do not bring this up because Nicolas Roy is a world beater or anything like that. But he is rangy C/LW who is carving out a bottom six career in the league and he went #96 overall in the 2015 draft. A mere nine slots earlier (87th), Timmins selected a rangy C/LW from Sweden named Lukas Vejdemo. I know what his answer would be if I had the opportunity to ask him ("it is not a science but we scout very diligently, we build our board, and we follow our rankings as we submit our picks on draft day"). But for the life of me I cannot understand why Timmins wastes so many middle round picks on Swedes and Americans when there are local kids worth a look. It makes me think of last year's draft. I remember saying why is Timmins taking Jack Smith rather Villeneuve or Dufour. I am not talking about overreaching and taking a flier on local kids in rounds 1 or 2 unless it is fully researched and warranted. But in those middle rounds, why not mine for some local talent? I found Timmins' day-after response (complete with cracking voice and invoking his wife's heritage/surname) to be rather lame. He seems to have a bad taste in his mouth for drafting local. So many can't stand up to pressure of playing here |
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Post by folatre on Jun 20, 2021 18:04:13 GMT -5
I have no idea, man. It is not like Timmins has been burned lately by picking a local kid. Leblanc happened a long time ago. The only other relatively high pick was Fucale (I think he was a second rounder).
Maybe I am wrong, but I do not think role player type guys like Nicolas Roy would feel a whole lot of pressure playing for the Habs (apparently Nico Deslauriers loved it here and did not want out). No one would be expecting much of that type of player. Drouin is a different case entirely -- third overall pick, Bergevin gave up a kid that looks like a lock to be a #1 d-man, and maybe Drouin's emotional and psychological makeup makes it hard for himself.
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Post by seventeen on Jun 21, 2021 23:18:13 GMT -5
Yanni Gourde wasn't drafted by anyone. It seems the Habs are late getting to some parties. The Lightning picked up Gourde from the ECHL and, later, Alex Barre-Boulet as a free agent fresh out of the Q. Barre-Boulet is following Gourde's path. Several years in the minors and steady improvement. Maybe R-H-P is our Gourde. Yanni is a great skater. I'm not sure how Pinard is in that regard.
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Post by GNick99 on Jul 1, 2021 9:37:33 GMT -5
I have no idea, man. It is not like Timmins has been burned lately by picking a local kid. Leblanc happened a long time ago. The only other relatively high pick was Fucale (I think he was a second rounder). Maybe I am wrong, but I do not think role player type guys like Nicolas Roy would feel a whole lot of pressure playing for the Habs (apparently Nico Deslauriers loved it here and did not want out). No one would be expecting much of that type of player. Drouin is a different case entirely -- third overall pick, Bergevin gave up a kid that looks like a lock to be a #1 d-man, and maybe Drouin's emotional and psychological makeup makes it hard for himself. No doubt Timmins had big say in Drouin trade |
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Post by GNick99 on Jul 1, 2021 9:41:09 GMT -5
Drafting 30th, what about Raty? 16 months ago everybody had him #1 overall. Bob McKenzie still has Raty 20th. No offense but light bulb may go on later than usual.
If he doesn't work out should still be a solid bottom center. Good size, wheels and defense.
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Post by seventeen on Jul 1, 2021 14:43:00 GMT -5
I have no idea, man. It is not like Timmins has been burned lately by picking a local kid. Leblanc happened a long time ago. The only other relatively high pick was Fucale (I think he was a second rounder). Maybe I am wrong, but I do not think role player type guys like Nicolas Roy would feel a whole lot of pressure playing for the Habs (apparently Nico Deslauriers loved it here and did not want out). No one would be expecting much of that type of player. Drouin is a different case entirely -- third overall pick, Bergevin gave up a kid that looks like a lock to be a #1 d-man, and maybe Drouin's emotional and psychological makeup makes it hard for himself. No doubt Timmins had big say in Drouin trade I'm not sure about that. By that point, Drouin would be a 3 year pro and Timmins doesn't do that as part of his job and doesn't have the time to do pro scouting as well as his own work. If Bergevin asked anyone about him, it would be his pro scouting head, Eric Crawford, who was appointed in August 2016 to replace Vaughan Karpan who was hired by Vegas. |
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Post by folatre on Jul 1, 2021 19:30:48 GMT -5
NHL Network is showing a draft special right now (top 32 prospects). It is interesting for me at least because I do not follow many kids very closely.
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Post by GNick99 on Jul 2, 2021 5:31:41 GMT -5
NHL Network is showing a draft special right now (top 32 prospects). It is interesting for me at least because I do not follow many kids very closely. Wish I could have watched it. I am behind this year also. With weaker draft and Habs on deep playoff run not my usual interest in draft. Like to watch a Raty game. As never seen him play |
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Post by folatre on Jul 2, 2021 17:10:08 GMT -5
Most of prospect analysis was provided by Sam Cosentino and Brian Lawton was there chiming in too.
I noticed that Cosentino has moved around his rankings quite a bit in the last month. I imagine that a bunch of clubs have had a fair amount of fluidity in their own rankings.
He had Raty at #17, pointing to not only the kid's offensive production being underwhelming but also to a vibe that maybe the kid does not eat, sleep, and breath hockey.
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Post by GNick99 on Jul 2, 2021 21:05:54 GMT -5
Most of prospect analysis was provided by Sam Cosentino and Brian Lawton was there chiming in too. I noticed that Cosentino has moved around his rankings quite a bit in the last month. I imagine that a bunch of clubs have had a fair amount of fluidity in their own rankings. He had Raty at #17, pointing to not only the kid's offensive production being underwhelming but also to a vibe that maybe the kid does not eat, sleep, and breath hockey. Right on. Usually when a prospect rated as high as Rsty was slides that hard there are multiply reasons. Likely a pass on him. Even at 30. |
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Post by seventeen on Jul 3, 2021 11:30:13 GMT -5
Most of prospect analysis was provided by Sam Cosentino and Brian Lawton was there chiming in too. I noticed that Cosentino has moved around his rankings quite a bit in the last month. I imagine that a bunch of clubs have had a fair amount of fluidity in their own rankings. He had Raty at #17, pointing to not only the kid's offensive production being underwhelming but also to a vibe that maybe the kid does not eat, sleep, and breath hockey. Right on. Usually when a prospect rated as high as Rsty was slides that hard there are multiply reasons. Likely a pass on him. Even at 30. I think Dougie Hamilton also doesn't eat, sleep and breathe hockey. PK might not as well. They have outside interests, so perhaps don't write the kid off as much as do some more due diligence. |
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Post by folatre on Jul 3, 2021 15:35:55 GMT -5
Jeje, what was scandalous rumor about Hamilton, that he liked going to museums more than hanging out with the boys?
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Post by GNick99 on Jul 3, 2021 19:56:29 GMT -5
Jeje, what was scandalous rumor about Hamilton, that he liked going to museums more than hanging out with the boys? Hamilton moved around a lot for a player with his skill. I don't know his situation well. Must be answer there somewhere fol? |
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Post by folatre on Jul 6, 2021 16:59:14 GMT -5
Lawton was saying, based on the GMs and agents that he talks to, the degree of variance among how clubs' boards look in the #20-60 range is quite pronounced this year. And needless to say the middle and later rounds could really be wild.
Some of names they had at the end of the first round were Zach Dean, Pastujov, Robertssen, L'Heureaux, Olausson.
Cosentino seems fairy certain that some of the kids I would be wishing for -- Bolduc, Pinelli, Svechkov -- will be long gone by the time the Habs pick. And given how fluky this entire draft class may turn out to be, I doubt Bergevin and Timmins will be spending assets to move from #30 down to, say, #20.
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Post by GNick99 on Jul 7, 2021 2:32:30 GMT -5
I haven't watch prospects much this draft. I dont know most those names you mentioned. I have to go on words of others this year with my picks. Given no OHL, little Q and WHL. No Hlinka/Gretzky, no Top Prospects Game nor Memorial Cup playoffs.
Habs pick at 30? Looking at U18, some WJC, Salminen be my early choice. Big center showed good hands in U18, natural hockey smarts. Could be a steal.
Heimosalmi could be homerun pick, I liked him in U18. But small. Gets honoursble mention. Pinelli could be safe pick. Decent size, center, no doubt 1.1 to 1.2 ppg if OHL had season.
Raty I don't know about.
Get chance to crunch some stats after playoffs are over usually another name or two comes to light.
NWT you going to do a Habs mock draft this year? I might be able to do our first 3 picks. Just to compare ours.
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Post by GNick99 on Jul 9, 2021 6:04:54 GMT -5
Doing some research yesterday. NWT what do you think of Heart at 30?
Kirill Kirsanov, could he slide until 60? Had a good WJC. Russian, LD, solid will play 6'1 200lbs. Skates well, moves the puck. Could he be another Romanov?
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Jul 9, 2021 12:26:03 GMT -5
Doing some research yesterday. NWT what do you think of Heart at 30? Kirill Kirsanov, could he slide until 60? Had a good WJC. Russian, LD, solid will play 6'1 200lbs. Skates well, moves the puck. Could he be another Romanov? Peart? He is a big sleeper for me. I have him early to mid second, same as Heimosalmi (I would seriously think he could be in the conversation late first after a great U18s). But if the Habs want a good D knowing they do not pick again until the last two picks of the second round, I could see them stretching for a guy they really like. Kirsanov is fair at late second. I want to like him more. He did play a lot at higher levels this season compared to his age peers, so his team does trust his ability to play against men. |
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Jul 9, 2021 12:33:40 GMT -5
I haven't watch prospects much this draft. I dont know most those names you mentioned. I have to go on words of others this year with my picks. Given no OHL, little Q and WHL. No Hlinka/Gretzky, no Top Prospects Game nor Memorial Cup playoffs. Habs pick at 30? Looking at U18, some WJC, Salminen be my early choice. Big center showed good hands in U18, natural hockey smarts. Could be a steal. Heimosalmi could be homerun pick, I liked him in U18. But small. Gets honoursble mention. Pinelli could be safe pick. Decent size, center, no doubt 1.1 to 1.2 ppg if OHL had season. Raty I don't know about. Get chance to crunch some stats after playoffs are over usually another name or two comes to light. NWT you going to do a Habs mock draft this year? I might be able to do our first 3 picks. Just to compare ours. I will be doing a Habs mock list/ draft board for sure. Had started one based on picking mid rounds, so have a lot more work to adjust the new late round spots. I have two weeks lol! |
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Jul 9, 2021 12:39:44 GMT -5
Lawton was saying, based on the GMs and agents that he talks to, the degree of variance among how clubs' boards look in the #20-60 range is quite pronounced this year. And needless to say the middle and later rounds could really be wild. Some of names they had at the end of the first round were Zach Dean, Pastujov, Robertssen, L'Heureaux, Olausson. I think a lot of those guys are definitely in the conversation around our pick. I think after the top 15 or so, this draft could be all over the place. It will be a wild ride. |
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Post by GNick99 on Jul 12, 2021 7:53:09 GMT -5
Could be a prosperous draft for us. With 8 picks in first 4 rounds, most every draft a few players move up, even into first round. This year they never had that opportunity
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Post by folatre on Jul 14, 2021 18:39:28 GMT -5
For sure, though the million dollar question is does Timmins have a good read on one or two of those late risers who never got the chance to have their coming out party because of Covid.
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Post by seventeen on Jul 14, 2021 19:00:01 GMT -5
That might be one of the few interesting parts of this draft. I'm getting the feeling more and more that it's not a particularly strong one, but that could be because of Covid and not being able to cover kids who might have improved during the year. Mystery galore.
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Post by folatre on Jul 14, 2021 19:15:13 GMT -5
Sportsnet (Cosentino) released a final draft ranking today and some of the names near the end of the first round are: Bolduc, Ceulemans, Raty, Robertssen, Dean, Pinelli, Johnston, L'Heureux, and Pastujov.
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