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Post by seventeen on Nov 29, 2021 14:53:10 GMT -5
Instead of the 1st rounder a guy like Raphael Lavoie or Dylan Holloway would be a better asking price. Oilers are deep at forward especially in the top 6 so both these guys could be expendable. Both can play center, are over 6ft and closer to NHL ready. We need guys with skill and not just pluggers. You could probably get Lavoie as he has 3 points in 14 games with Bakersfield of the AHL, but we ain't getting Holloway for Chiarot. There were strong indications he'd make the Oilers to start this season, but an injury derailed that possibility. He's still on the IL. I guess we can ask for a first rounder for Chiarot but I would be very surprised, even if it's a pick in the 28-30 range. he's a 30 year old, 3rd pair defenseman, with a tendency to take bad penalties. And he's a rental. Savard garnered a first rounder last year, so what do I know? I must be too cheap. |
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Post by Willie Dog on Dec 1, 2021 18:32:17 GMT -5
Instead of the 1st rounder a guy like Raphael Lavoie or Dylan Holloway would be a better asking price. Oilers are deep at forward especially in the top 6 so both these guys could be expendable. Both can play center, are over 6ft and closer to NHL ready. We need guys with skill and not just pluggers. You could probably get Lavoie as he has 3 points in 14 games with Bakersfield of the AHL, but we ain't getting Holloway for Chiarot. There were strong indications he'd make the Oilers to start this season, but an injury derailed that possibility. He's still on the IL. I guess we can ask for a first rounder for Chiarot but I would be very surprised, even if it's a pick in the 28-30 range. he's a 30 year old, 3rd pair defenseman, with a tendency to take bad penalties. And he's a rental. Savard garnered a first rounder last year, so what do I know? I must be too cheap. They can send us Lavoie (we need skilled right wingers) and we can send them Chiarot and one of niku, wideman or savard... The only issue is their cap looks maxed out, so they have to send some salary back |
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Post by folatre on Dec 1, 2021 20:31:27 GMT -5
Unless Gorton and the next GM move a winger or two, Lavoie does not really represent an area of huge need next season. However, he is a big body and can skate/snipe. The question for me is whether he is hockey smart and willing to fire up the motor each shift. But he would not be a bad return for Chiarot. Although I may prefer to roll the dice with a late first rounder if the mandate is to rebuild and Montreal has astute amateur evaluation eyes (Gorton and Madden, for example) on the 2022 prospects.
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Post by Cranky on Dec 1, 2021 20:59:00 GMT -5
Laffy for CC.
Laffy is not performing in NY and already starting to hear the "bust" whining, same for our Prima Donna CC. I propose a trade of underachievers. Possibly a late second to make up the difference in "potential".
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Post by Willie Dog on Dec 1, 2021 21:37:17 GMT -5
Laffy for CC. Laffy is not performing in NY and already starting to hear the "bust" whining, same for our Prima Donna CC. I propose a trade of underachievers. Possibly a late second to make up the difference in "potential". CC is 20 years old and has played a total of 26 games, laffy is the same age and has played 76 games and they're busts? |
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Post by folatre on Dec 1, 2021 22:37:06 GMT -5
Lafreniere is not setting the world on fire, but it would take a little more than Caufield to acquire a former 1st overall draft pick and a guy who is quite a bit more robust size-wise than CC.
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Post by The Habitual Fan on Dec 2, 2021 10:14:46 GMT -5
Lafreniere is not setting the world on fire, but it would take a little more than Caufield to acquire a former 1st overall draft pick and a guy who is quite a bit more robust size-wise than CC. I agree, I wouldn't want to give up Caufield, but I don't think the Rangers would think of trading Lafreniere for a couple of years at least. Just let him play lower minutes on the 2nd-3rd lines and develop slowly. Oh wait, where did I hear that before?? Damn you KK!! Anyway, Montreal has a group of good players that should be NHL ready soon. I would prefer they get more of those guys in trades so that your core will all be hitting their peak around the same time. Getting a mid 1st round pick that you won't see for another 5 years, if at all, doesn't help with a strong rebuild in my opinion. |
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Post by folatre on Dec 3, 2021 19:49:04 GMT -5
The Rangers are in a good spot because with studs carrying their top two lines it is not as though they need Lafreniere to deliver serious offensive production in order to be a dangerous playoff team. As you say, Habitual, New York can be patient with the kid. The only issue could be Lafreniere's own impatience and expectations for himself. Obviously Gorton can pick up the phone and chat with Drury in the summer but I seriously doubt something would make sense for both clubs.
They also lucky (ahem, smart) to have a great young goalie locked up on a great AAV number.
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Post by Willie Dog on Dec 4, 2021 12:36:48 GMT -5
The Rangers are in a good spot because with studs carrying their top two lines it is not as though they need Lafreniere to deliver serious offensive production in order to be a dangerous playoff team. As you say, Habitual, New York can be patient with the kid. The only issue could be Lafreniere's own impatience and expectations for himself. Obviously Gorton can pick up the phone and chat with Drury in the summer but I seriously doubt something would make sense for both clubs. They also lucky (ahem, smart) to have a great young goalie locked up on a great AAV number. Teams will charge Montreal a premium for a francophone potential stud |
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Post by PTH on Dec 4, 2021 16:26:48 GMT -5
I wonder if we'd be as interested in Lafrenière if it meant giving up our 1st this year.
Say our pick is #5 or 6 overall, and could be the centerpiece of a deal for Lafrenière, are we in ? #3 ? #1 ?
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Everyone is wondering what Chiarot might fetch as a rental, but I wonder what Kulak might get us. He'd be a perfect rental for a team looking for some depth on D.
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Post by folatre on Dec 4, 2021 20:53:26 GMT -5
Unfortunately Kulak has been injured and inconsistent, so even though Edmundson's absence could have given him an opportunity to shine, the reality is Kulak has not distinguished himself.
I would say he is worth a fifth rounder on the trade market, maybe a fourth if Gorton can find a team sweating hard about their #5-7 effectiveness and depth.
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Post by PTH on Dec 5, 2021 0:44:40 GMT -5
Unfortunately Kulak has been injured and inconsistent, so even though Edmundson's absence could have given him an opportunity to shine, the reality is Kulak has not distinguished himself. I would say he is worth a fifth rounder on the trade market, maybe a fourth if Gorton can find a team sweating hard about their #5-7 effectiveness and depth. I had to look up what Merrill cost us, and it was just that, a fifth rounder. I was hoping we could get a 3d for Kulak, otherwise, might as well keep him since he seems a good fit as depth, and the kind of guy you can let go when a kid seems ready. |
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Post by folatre on Dec 5, 2021 10:31:52 GMT -5
Ottawa got a 3rd from Boston for Reilly, but he was a piece for the power play and puts up more points than Kulak.
Honestly I do not mind Kulak, though he seems to drive coaches crazy. But since he is a UFA, I suppose that he needs to be moved. A guy like Kulak would not be too costly to keep around, but with Suzuki's contract kicking in next season and no certainty about how or where Gorton can dump a contract or two, there are probably just too many moving pieces for management to figure out.
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Post by The Habitual Fan on Dec 6, 2021 8:09:25 GMT -5
I have never been a Kulak fan so a 3rd round pick seems fair.
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