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Post by Cranky on Dec 21, 2021 19:19:41 GMT -5
He's captain on the world junior and will be front and center. Of all the prospect that I'm excited about, he's by far the top one. Sooo....I can;t wait until they start and the damn virus better not ruin it! First game is suppose to be on Sunday at 5 but the boss found it on Sunday at 7. Let the carnage begin!  (PS...I'll move this out after CAPTAIN Guhle takes us to GOLD!) |
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Post by drkcloud on Dec 22, 2021 19:44:21 GMT -5
Reminds me of the last time a Habs prospect captained the team. Kyle Chipchura,drafted 18th overall, also played his junior hockey with the Prince Albert Raiders. Hope Guhle has more of an NHL impact than Kyle
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Post by Cranky on Dec 22, 2021 21:39:24 GMT -5
Reminds me of the last time a Habs prospect captained the team. Kyle Chipchura,drafted 18th overall, also played his junior hockey with the Prince Albert Raiders. Hope Guhle has more of an NHL impact than Kyle So did Desjardin....and he turnout "acceptable". LOL! I don't know where Chipchura went wrong. I thought he would be a bigger version of Pleky, but somewhere in his journey, he forgot that he needs to constantly improve and sacrifice. |
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Post by habsorbed on Dec 23, 2021 0:04:54 GMT -5
It's a great honour and achievement for Guhle. BUT I'm not going to get too excited as the list in the link below indicates there have been many captains who, while making the NHL, have not been impact players. Big Dmen that sticks out on the list is Karl Alzner. Hoping for the best but dmen who are bigger than their junior contemporaries often come down to size when they mature. www.eliteprospects.com/team/1618/canada-u20/captaincy-history |
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Post by PTH on Dec 23, 2021 0:50:08 GMT -5
Reminds me of the last time a Habs prospect captained the team. Kyle Chipchura,drafted 18th overall, also played his junior hockey with the Prince Albert Raiders. Hope Guhle has more of an NHL impact than Kyle So did Desjardin....and he turnout "acceptable". LOL! I don't know where Chipchura went wrong. I thought he would be a bigger version of Pleky, but somewhere in his journey, he forgot that he needs to constantly improve and sacrifice. Chipchura's skating was always his weak point, and after the draft he had a major ankle injury.... after that he was constantly just too slow for the NHL. He did carve out a role for a while, which is more than a lot of others, but by no means did he live up to 1st round status. |
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Post by Cranky on Dec 23, 2021 1:38:43 GMT -5
It's a great honour and achievement for Guhle. BUT I'm not going to get too excited as the list in the link below indicates there have been many captains who, while making the NHL, have not been impact players. Big Dmen that sticks out on the list is Karl Alzner. Hoping for the best but dmen who are bigger than their junior contemporaries often come down to size when they mature. www.eliteprospects.com/team/1618/canada-u20/captaincy-historyThat Kris Letzng guy turned out decent.....Ellis too. What I'm hoping is for Guhle to use this to drive himself and believe that he's The Man. PK for all his fault, he believed he was better then the rest and then went out to prove it. Problem is that he forgot to step away from the mirror. He is our most promising "star". |
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Post by habsorbed on Dec 23, 2021 11:00:05 GMT -5
It's a great honour and achievement for Guhle. BUT I'm not going to get too excited as the list in the link below indicates there have been many captains who, while making the NHL, have not been impact players. Big Dmen that sticks out on the list is Karl Alzner. Hoping for the best but dmen who are bigger than their junior contemporaries often come down to size when they mature. www.eliteprospects.com/team/1618/canada-u20/captaincy-historyThat Kris Letzng guy turned out decent.....Ellis too. What I'm hoping is for Guhle to use this to drive himself and believe that he's The Man. PK for all his fault, he believed he was better then the rest and then went out to prove it. Problem is that he forgot to step away from the mirror. He is our most promising "star". Ellis and Letang are very different players, they are offensive players who scored 25 and 24 goals respectively in juniors. Guile has 2 goals so far this year, on pace for 10 at most. My point is a big strong dman in junior doesn't really tell us much about their success in the NHL. Having said that, if he continues to develop, having him and Romy on D would be quite the force. But we will still need an offensive dman - and the we have our Big 3 II. |
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Post by folatre on Dec 23, 2021 11:02:58 GMT -5
I think it is a awesome that Guhle is captaining Canada. And overall, the kid is a great prospect because of his skating, size, and work ethic. He should be a lock to have a long career as a top-four d-man in the league. But I would not hold my breath on him reaching a high offensive ceiling. Hockey is debatable, but I see him as Bouwmeester-type, which is obviously outstanding.
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Post by Willie Dog on Dec 23, 2021 11:10:33 GMT -5
Can we please draft a Markov? I'm not asking for a lot, but a Markov with Guhle and Romy would set us up for a decade plus on D
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Post by seventeen on Dec 23, 2021 19:48:36 GMT -5
I think it is a awesome that Guhle is captaining Canada. And overall, the kid is a great prospect because of his skating, size, and work ethic. He should be a lock to have a long career as a top-four d-man in the league. But I would not hold my breath on him reaching a high offensive ceiling. Hockey is debatable, but I see him as Bouwmeester-type, which is obviously outstanding. By most reports, his defensive work (gap control, stick work, etc.) is really, really good. That alone will keep him in the NHL for a decade. The question, as stated, is how much better will he get offensively. He seemed to clear the zone well, but I didn't see any 'springing' passes like PK or Andrei used to make regularly. |
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Post by folatre on Dec 23, 2021 20:06:24 GMT -5
Yeah, I think that Guhle can transition the puck out of the d-zone, which is certainly a valuable offensive attribute. The question seems to be if in the offensive zone does he have vision, creativity, and shot to drive offense and put up points.
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Post by Cranky on Dec 23, 2021 22:13:19 GMT -5
Scouting Report.....I LIKE IT!
Might as well call him THE BLACK HOLE because the other teams offense goes there to die. There is no question that his positioning is perfect. I only saw one positional mistake about half way through the second period. He also has pretty good vision in moving the puck in his zone. Puck is on and off his stick in one motion. Which means he's already seen the next play as it unfolds.
The only downside is that he's not offensively dynamic so thst limits his role in a tournament like this.
CONCLUSION....he's got NHL level defensive game already locked up, now to work on the offense.
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Post by habsorbed on Dec 24, 2021 2:54:46 GMT -5
I'm pumped as always for the Juniors. This year more than ever as it's the only show in town and we got 3 great prospects playing prominent roles for their teams: Captain Gruhl, Captain Mysak, and Kapanen. But I'm very concerned Covid will upend the show. And what's with Alta allowing fans in the building, even at only 50% capacity. Can we just let the kids play and let us watch it on TV like they were playing run Europe.  |
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Post by Cranky on Dec 24, 2021 15:50:14 GMT -5
Yeah, I think that Guhle can transition the puck out of the d-zone, which is certainly a valuable offensive attribute. The question seems to be if in the offensive zone does he have vision, creativity, and shot to drive offense and put up points. I don't think we are going to see any offensive dynamics from him in this tournament. Watching all our defenseman, he's clearly a cut above all of them in positioning and moving the puck out of harms way. But unless there is an opportunity, he always plays last man back. I'm beginning to change my mind on the AHL thing. If he was taken aside and told that now, the ONLY thing that counts is offense and his job is to only be a roving defenseman, then I'm all for it. Simply bringing him down to AHL level competition is a gross waste unless there is a purpose. Or just keep working on that canon and truly turn him into Weber 2. If he doesn't have the offensive flair, don't bother trying to turn him into what he's not comfortable with. |
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Post by Cranky on Dec 24, 2021 15:53:17 GMT -5
I'm pumped as always for the Juniors. This year more than ever as it's the only show in town and we got 3 great prospects playing prominent roles for their teams: Captain Gruhl, Captain Mysak, and Kapanen. But I'm very concerned Covid will upend the show. And what's with Alta allowing fans in the building, even at only 50% capacity. Can we just let the kids play and let us watch it on TV like they were playing run Europe. What a pleasure to watch a game like the old days. Fully immersed and dialed into every play. Love what i see from Guhle. Mysak, well, I'm not so sure we got much there but let's hope for the best. |
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Post by Willie Dog on Dec 24, 2021 16:17:00 GMT -5
Hopefully our left D will be set with Romy and Guhle... an all around d man and a defensive beast
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Post by seventeen on Dec 24, 2021 17:44:51 GMT -5
One of the best nick names I've heard in a while is for Davion Mitchell, a guard for the Sacramento Kings of the NBA. He's ok offensively but is really really good defensively. His nickname is 'Off Night" because anyone he's guarding is going to have an off night. The NBA is so much more creative than the NHL for so many things. Better nick names in the NHL would be a good start. Too bad that's taken, cause Guhle would fit that.
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Post by Cranky on Dec 24, 2021 18:48:04 GMT -5
"Black Hole" where the other teams offense disappears. But it needs an asterisk to explain the meaning of it.
I love his touch-gone defense. Several times as soon as he touched the puck it was heading somewhere. No holding trying to figure out what to do. He knows what the next move will be before he acts on it. BRILLIANT.
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Post by habsorbed on Dec 25, 2021 3:33:37 GMT -5
One of the best nick names I've heard in a while is for Davion Mitchell, a guard for the Sacramento Kings of the NBA. He's ok offensively but is really really good defensively. His nickname is 'Off Night" because anyone he's guarding is going to have an off night. The NBA is so much more creative than the NHL for so many things. Better nick names in the NHL would be a good start. Too bad that's taken, cause Guhle would fit that. "Rough Night"! |
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Post by Skilly on Dec 25, 2021 9:09:18 GMT -5
One of the best nick names I've heard in a while is for Davion Mitchell, a guard for the Sacramento Kings of the NBA. He's ok offensively but is really really good defensively. His nickname is 'Off Night" because anyone he's guarding is going to have an off night. The NBA is so much more creative than the NHL for so many things. Better nick names in the NHL would be a good start. Too bad that's taken, cause Guhle would fit that. Why not the obvious nickname? Ghouly- when he is on the ice you become a ghost That being said, I hate all this over-hype we always do. Has anyone the board over hyped ever panned out that way? .... the past 10 years say no |
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Post by Skilly on Dec 25, 2021 9:10:57 GMT -5
Hopefully our left D will be set with Romy and Guhle... an all around d man and a defensive beast I have this feeling, that if the media and fans leave him alone, that Logan Mailloux will be the best of them all |
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Post by Willie Dog on Dec 25, 2021 9:55:54 GMT -5
One of the best nick names I've heard in a while is for Davion Mitchell, a guard for the Sacramento Kings of the NBA. He's ok offensively but is really really good defensively. His nickname is 'Off Night" because anyone he's guarding is going to have an off night. The NBA is so much more creative than the NHL for so many things. Better nick names in the NHL would be a good start. Too bad that's taken, cause Guhle would fit that. What is wrong with 'Guhlsy'? Lol |
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Post by Willie Dog on Dec 25, 2021 9:56:51 GMT -5
One of the best nick names I've heard in a while is for Davion Mitchell, a guard for the Sacramento Kings of the NBA. He's ok offensively but is really really good defensively. His nickname is 'Off Night" because anyone he's guarding is going to have an off night. The NBA is so much more creative than the NHL for so many things. Better nick names in the NHL would be a good start. Too bad that's taken, cause Guhle would fit that. Why not the obvious nickname? Ghouly- when he is on the ice you become a ghost That being said, I hate all this over-hype we always do. Has anyone the board over hyped ever panned out that way? .... the past 10 years say no I like ghouly |
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Post by Cranky on Dec 25, 2021 15:24:16 GMT -5
The last defensman that was hyped this much was Komi. He was the reason i weent to Hamilton on my "scouting" expeditions. Sadly, i was far less impressed then his massive size made me dream about.
Obviously sitting in the stands, actually anywhere i wanted to get the best view is not the same as tv, but one can stll get a lot from tv if one simply focuses on a player.
Right off the bat, Guhle plays a far, far better defensive game by keeping it simple and quick. Guhle knows where the puck will go before it hits his stick, Komi had to burn coal to get his thinking going. Komi got beaten on the outside like a rented mule, Guhle can't be beat because of his skating.
There's a reason I'm so excited about him....because he's showing to be a defensive beast.
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Post by Willie Dog on Dec 26, 2021 14:31:50 GMT -5
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Post by Cranky on Dec 26, 2021 16:26:08 GMT -5
Super duper tire inflation...
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Post by seventeen on Dec 27, 2021 1:32:20 GMT -5
Just watched the Canada/Czechia game today, paying attention to Kaiden Guhle. He's a solid prospect, but nothing like the hype. There were a couple of Team Canada Dmen who had better games, IMO. Besides Power 0f course, who looked very good. I thought Sebrango had a better game. It's only one game, but from what I can see so far. the offensive vision and boldness ins't there. (yet). These guys are still kids and it was only one game.
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Post by habsorbed on Dec 27, 2021 3:38:49 GMT -5
Just watched the Canada/Czechia game today, paying attention to Kaiden Guhle. He's a solid prospect, but nothing like the hype. There were a couple of Team Canada Dmen who had better games, IMO. Besides Power 0f course, who looked very good. I thought Sebrango had a better game. It's only one game, but from what I can see so far. the offensive vision and boldness ins't there. (yet). These guys are still kids and it was only one game. I was happy with his game. He did what he does best by defending and throwing his weight around. But I agree that I don't see anything that says he's going to be an impact player. Top 4 perhaps but not likely a game changer. Now Buffalo on the other hand will have Power and Dahlin on the back end - of course it helps to have very high draft picks, in particular first overall. |
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Post by Cranky on Dec 27, 2021 6:04:31 GMT -5
I did not like Guhle game tonight.
I love his hit first mentality but it should be tempered with opportunity, not to blind single mindedness. He made a glaring mistake in the first period where he was caught hiting far too deep in the opposition zone. That is an absolute nono unless his back is covered and even then, still not the first option. Another one when he hit his guy but didn't keep possession of the puck and let a play in his zone.
He needs to calm way down instead of picking the checking option at every opportunity he gets. That's not how the game is played. First rule is he needs to keep the player from making a play, second rule is to separate the man from the puck, putting him on a stretcher is optional. He's mostly working on the stretcher part which will get him in trouble in the NHL. Yes, you always play the man, but to keep him from making a play or stripping the puck, not removing his teeth.
Next issue is his constant last man back mentality. He's passing up lanes and opportunities. He reflexively and quickly moves the puck forward but it also means that he's not giving it to the best player with the most opportunity. A puck heading up the boards for a man that is double covered is simply surrendering puck possession and another rush back into his zone. Of course he shouldn't pass it through the center zone, but he should use his excellent skating to move it up and create more passing lanes.
Tonight was not a very good night for his level of talent.
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Post by Willie Dog on Dec 27, 2021 9:34:44 GMT -5
I posted in the wjc thread that the D as a whole played poorly in the 1st half of the game, pinching, going for a big hit... it is what the coaches roasted Romy for last year... I also thought Garand dropped way to quickly leaving th ed top of the net open..
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