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Post by Tankdriver on Jan 30, 2022 15:04:37 GMT -5
It's getting pretty obvious that the coach isn't going to be coming back next year. Any insight who might be tapped on the shoulder next?
Joel Bouchard? Alan Vignault? Rookie coach? Veteran coach?
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Post by Willie Dog on Jan 30, 2022 15:17:04 GMT -5
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Post by mikeg on Jan 31, 2022 10:11:23 GMT -5
I would love love love lovvvvvve for them to re-hire Joel Bouchard.
He knows the kids, was a great coach in Laval, bilingual, etc. He deserves it.
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Post by Willie Dog on Jan 31, 2022 11:02:11 GMT -5
I would love love love lovvvvvve for them to re-hire Joel Bouchard. He knows the kids, was a great coach in Laval, bilingual, etc. He deserves it. I would not be opposed to that. |
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Post by Scotty D on Jan 31, 2022 12:12:44 GMT -5
I always Felt AV was simply a victim of circumstance a quick check on hockeydb reminded me that the year he was fired was the year Oleg Petrov was tied with Koivu with only 47 points to lead the team saku played only 54 games and petrov was the only one to play almost a a full season(81). We had 46 different players including 4 goalies dress for at least a game and while i could be mistaken i'm pretty sure that was the year we set an NHL record for games lost to injury that was the third time during his tenure as coach it had occured where the injury bug decimated the club.
I am the first to say please don't retread old boys clubs but AV and his teams since he left Montreal have missed the playoffs only 3 times in the last 14 years and been to 2 different SC finals with both Vancouver and NYR (both losses). Anyone have knowledge of the type of coach he is now ? I assume based on his lengthy tenure he's an old school type that really doesn't work in todays game but if i was going to make an exception to the rule on rehires this might be my only possible one, of course assuming that he actually is the best option available. Maybe him as a head coach surrounded by the right type of new up and coming assistants it could work really well as a mentor for the new guys combined with a go between for the younger generation of players we most assuredly will be seeing in the short future.
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Post by HABsurd on Jan 31, 2022 12:13:23 GMT -5
It's getting pretty obvious that the coach isn't going to be coming back next year. Any insight who might be tapped on the shoulder next? Joel Bouchard? Alan Vignault? Rookie coach? Veteran coach? Maybe the Habs are using this extended lame duck period to provide Roger Rönnberg with French lessons? One can dream. Seriously, surely Pascal Vincent must be given serious consideration. |
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Post by folatre on Jan 31, 2022 13:27:11 GMT -5
Vigneault is old-school, similar to Julien and Therrien. Perhaps he is more charismatic than Julien and less cringy than Therrien but I see their systems as very similar.
The Habs need to get on with getting younger and more skilled, I do not see Vigneault as a good match. I cannot even remember how Montgomery's teams in Dallas played but considering his baggage it seems impossible he could be a Head Coach in Montreal.
Looking ahead to the summer I would think Vincent will be under consideration, perhaps along with Bouchard and Roy.
To be honest, I do not think changing coaches right now makes much sense, unless it is simply to install an interim coach. But a logical interim coach like Richardson cannot really be selected because of the language issue. I guess they could go with Burrows but his CV screams unready to be Head Coach in the NHL.
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Post by Tankdriver on Jan 31, 2022 19:17:02 GMT -5
I wasn't insinuating a change now but you have to figure one is coming this summer.
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Post by Willie Dog on Jan 31, 2022 20:18:16 GMT -5
I wasn't insinuating a change now but you have to figure one is coming this summer. I can see a massive purge coming... on th ed ice and on the bench |
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Post by The Habitual Fan on Feb 1, 2022 8:31:52 GMT -5
MB should have elevated Bouchard to head coach when he let Julien go. I don't think the team would have been in this predicament now.
Bouchard was doing a great job in Laval with the young kids and they were winning by working hard.
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Post by seventeen on Feb 1, 2022 13:05:41 GMT -5
It's getting pretty obvious that the coach isn't going to be coming back next year. Any insight who might be tapped on the shoulder next? Joel Bouchard? Alan Vignault? Rookie coach? Veteran coach? Maybe the Habs are using this extended lame duck period to provide Roger Rönnberg with French lessons? One can dream. Seriously, surely Pascal Vincent must be given serious consideration. Arpon Basu in The Athletic has an article on Vincent and his qualifications. Pascal Vincent’s services could be in high demand this offseason
As the Canadiens were being dismantled by the Edmonton Oilers on Saturday night, members of the Columbus Blue Jackets front office and coaching staff were in attendance. Included among them was Blue Jackets associate coach Pascal Vincent.
What they saw was not pretty.
Vincent had Dominique Ducharme as an assistant coach with the Montreal Juniors a decade ago, and while he wouldn’t discuss what Ducharme was going through right now during a brief chat between periods of the Oilers game, it couldn’t have been easy for him to watch.
But what Vincent is experiencing this season in Columbus should be of interest to Montreal, because if this is Ducharme’s final season behind the Canadiens bench — and at this point this seems like a foregone conclusion — the Canadiens should have Vincent high on their radar as a replacement.
Vincent took the job working under Brad Larsen in Columbus not long after going through the process of interviewing for the head coaching job in Arizona last summer, a job that eventually went to André Tourigny.
Vincent said that after a long time working with Paul Maurice in the Winnipeg Jets organization, both as an assistant coach for five years and as head coach of the Manitoba Moose for the past five seasons, working under Larsen in Columbus has provided a very different experience for Vincent because his coaching style is almost the opposite of Maurice’s. He’s gone from a cerebral head coach to someone who worked under John Tortorella for years.
He is thoroughly enjoying the new experience in Columbus and says he is growing as a coach as a result.
Vincent didn’t have to say so, and wouldn’t say it explicitly, but the next NHL coaching cycle should be an interesting time for him and any coach looking for a head job. There will potentially be openings in Philadelphia and Chicago, plus who knows how many other cities once the dust settles on this season. But the two cities that matter most to the Canadiens when it comes to Vincent would be Montreal and Winnipeg.
Since Dave Lowry took over for Maurice after he stepped down Dec. 17, the Jets have gone 5-6-2, including losing six straight games (0-4-2) before winning 4-1 against the St. Louis Blues on Saturday. The Jets are in serious danger of missing the playoffs, and if that were to happen, it’s hard to imagine they would bring Lowry back for next season.
Vincent spent 10 years in Winnipeg and loved the organization. There was a mutual respect there from Jets ownership as well, and the only reason Vincent left was that he wanted to get back in the NHL, even if it wasn’t a head job.
With the direction the Canadiens intend on going — whether you want to call it a rebuild or retool or re-whatever, there will clearly be substantive changes in Montreal — someone with Vincent’s skill set and experience working with younger players in the AHL should be something the Canadiens would value.
“I’ve studied leadership for quite some time now, and the No. 1 quality of any leader is you need to be able to listen. Truly listen, not just hearing words, but understanding what that person is saying. And then you work it quiet and you work it together,” Vincent told our Aaron Portzline after getting the job in Columbus last June.
“The only way to make it productive and to push people on the ice is to understand who they are as people. That’s what I do well. Sometimes it’s hard. Sometimes we have hard conversations. It’s not always fun and sunny outside. But it starts with listening and communicating.”
If that sounds like someone the Canadiens would be interested in hiring, they might need to be aggressive this offseason. Because there will be competition for Vincent’s services. |
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Post by seventeen on Feb 1, 2022 13:14:46 GMT -5
Vigneault is old-school, similar to Julien and Therrien. Perhaps he is more charismatic than Julien and less cringy than Therrien but I see their systems as very similar. The Habs need to get on with getting younger and more skilled, I do not see Vigneault as a good match. I cannot even remember how Montgomery's teams in Dallas played but considering his baggage it seems impossible he could be a Head Coach in Montreal. Looking ahead to the summer I would think Vincent will be under consideration, perhaps along with Bouchard and Roy. To be honest, I do not think changing coaches right now makes much sense, unless it is simply to install an interim coach. But a logical interim coach like Richardson cannot really be selected because of the language issue. I guess they could go with Burrows but his CV screams unready to be Head Coach in the NHL. Completely agree with you re Vigneault and Montgomery. Regarding changing coaches now, I would normally agree as well. Why make a change when the season is lost? Well, here's where I wonder about a key guy like Romanov and another like Caufield. Neither seems to be in Ducharme's good books despite the fact both should be key players for the Habs for a decade. Are we willing to risk the damage to those two guys, (or any other young guy who doesn't fit Ducharme's mold) just to save a few bucks over the next 40 odd games? Would we not be wasting half a season of proper deveopment? I would can him and put Richardson in charge with an interim tag on him. Unless he learns to speak French, he's clearly not going to be the next coach, but he did just fine during Ducharme's absence last year and some of us preferred the job he did in comparison to Dom. He won't destroy Romanov's or Caufield's confidence. Burrows can help with pressers and question period. There....more wisdom from the low hill. |
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Post by Polarice on Feb 1, 2022 13:56:03 GMT -5
I would love to see Roy behind the bench.....was not looking forward to the possibility of him being a GM, However, I'm open to see what he can bring to the table as a head coach.
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Post by seventeen on Feb 1, 2022 14:27:21 GMT -5
His possession stats his first year in Colorado were awful. The Avs had some real talent up front just on the cusp of breaking out, but the old adage of "show me a great goalie and I'll show you a great coach" was never truer than in this case. Semyon Varlomov played 63 games and had a .927 save percentage. Regardless, the Avs were eliminated in the first round, missed the playoffs the next 2 years, and went from winning percentages of .683 to .549 to .500 despite some seriously solid goaltending. Man, when your goalies are good and your team sucks and you have players like MacKinnon and Landeskog and Duchene, there's something wrong.
Patrick is one of those guys, like Gretzky, who were great players but it just never translated to the coaching part of the game. They were just too intuitive and they couldn't pass that on to the players.
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Post by Skilly on Feb 1, 2022 18:39:48 GMT -5
Maybe the Habs are using this extended lame duck period to provide Roger Rönnberg with French lessons? One can dream. Seriously, surely Pascal Vincent must be given serious consideration. Arpon Basu in The Athletic has an article on Vincent and his qualifications. Pascal Vincent’s services could be in high demand this offseason
As the Canadiens were being dismantled by the Edmonton Oilers on Saturday night, members of the Columbus Blue Jackets front office and coaching staff were in attendance. Included among them was Blue Jackets associate coach Pascal Vincent.
What they saw was not pretty.
Vincent had Dominique Ducharme as an assistant coach with the Montreal Juniors a decade ago, and while he wouldn’t discuss what Ducharme was going through right now during a brief chat between periods of the Oilers game, it couldn’t have been easy for him to watch.
But what Vincent is experiencing this season in Columbus should be of interest to Montreal, because if this is Ducharme’s final season behind the Canadiens bench — and at this point this seems like a foregone conclusion — the Canadiens should have Vincent high on their radar as a replacement.
Vincent took the job working under Brad Larsen in Columbus not long after going through the process of interviewing for the head coaching job in Arizona last summer, a job that eventually went to André Tourigny.
Vincent said that after a long time working with Paul Maurice in the Winnipeg Jets organization, both as an assistant coach for five years and as head coach of the Manitoba Moose for the past five seasons, working under Larsen in Columbus has provided a very different experience for Vincent because his coaching style is almost the opposite of Maurice’s. He’s gone from a cerebral head coach to someone who worked under John Tortorella for years.
He is thoroughly enjoying the new experience in Columbus and says he is growing as a coach as a result.
Vincent didn’t have to say so, and wouldn’t say it explicitly, but the next NHL coaching cycle should be an interesting time for him and any coach looking for a head job. There will potentially be openings in Philadelphia and Chicago, plus who knows how many other cities once the dust settles on this season. But the two cities that matter most to the Canadiens when it comes to Vincent would be Montreal and Winnipeg.
Since Dave Lowry took over for Maurice after he stepped down Dec. 17, the Jets have gone 5-6-2, including losing six straight games (0-4-2) before winning 4-1 against the St. Louis Blues on Saturday. The Jets are in serious danger of missing the playoffs, and if that were to happen, it’s hard to imagine they would bring Lowry back for next season.
Vincent spent 10 years in Winnipeg and loved the organization. There was a mutual respect there from Jets ownership as well, and the only reason Vincent left was that he wanted to get back in the NHL, even if it wasn’t a head job.
With the direction the Canadiens intend on going — whether you want to call it a rebuild or retool or re-whatever, there will clearly be substantive changes in Montreal — someone with Vincent’s skill set and experience working with younger players in the AHL should be something the Canadiens would value.
“I’ve studied leadership for quite some time now, and the No. 1 quality of any leader is you need to be able to listen. Truly listen, not just hearing words, but understanding what that person is saying. And then you work it quiet and you work it together,” Vincent told our Aaron Portzline after getting the job in Columbus last June.
“The only way to make it productive and to push people on the ice is to understand who they are as people. That’s what I do well. Sometimes it’s hard. Sometimes we have hard conversations. It’s not always fun and sunny outside. But it starts with listening and communicating.”
If that sounds like someone the Canadiens would be interested in hiring, they might need to be aggressive this offseason. Because there will be competition for Vincent’s services.I suggested Vincent 2-3 years ago ... the coaching carousel continues |
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Post by Skilly on Feb 1, 2022 18:41:43 GMT -5
I would love to see Roy behind the bench.....was not looking forward to the possibility of him being a GM, However, I'm open to see what he can bring to the table as a head coach. Patrick won't mind paying a few fines to call out the refs / War Room |
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Post by Skilly on Feb 1, 2022 18:46:00 GMT -5
His possession stats his first year in Colorado were awful. The Avs had some real talent up front just on the cusp of breaking out, but the old adage of "show me a great goalie and I'll show you a great coach" was never truer than in this case. Semyon Varlomov played 63 games and had a .927 save percentage. Regardless, the Avs were eliminated in the first round, missed the playoffs the next 2 years, and went from winning percentages of .683 to .549 to .500 despite some seriously solid goaltending. Man, when your goalies are good and your team sucks and you have players like MacKinnon and Landeskog and Duchene, there's something wrong. Patrick is one of those guys, like Gretzky, who were great players but it just never translated to the coaching part of the game. They were just too intuitive and they couldn't pass that on to the players. He had a 18-19-20 yr old Nathan MacKinnon ....who is totally different than 25-26 yr old Nathan McKinnon Much like we have a young Nick Suzuki ...right now, he looks like a bust (for what we paid), but hopefully he busts out at 24 as well ... that's what I hear most here saying anyway. |
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Post by Tankdriver on Feb 9, 2022 15:30:16 GMT -5
Didn't think we would be visiting this discussion in February....
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Post by folatre on Feb 9, 2022 15:54:03 GMT -5
I know there was a lot of adversity this season, but Ducharme did not even marginally implement a system the boys could understand and follow. Even thinking back to last season, aside from the playoff run where the boys played tight checking playoff hockey, the Habs were just as bad in the regular season under Ducharme as they were under Julien. Maybe Ducharme was okay at communicating with kids in a U20 tournament situation, but he just seemed to be an abysmal communicator with NHL players.
Gorton and Hughes are going the interim route for now. It is too important a decision moving forward to risk fumbling it.
As I have said before, it would be logical based on his CV to have Richardson pilot the ship. But since Molson may rule that out, the question is who if not Richardson. I guess Burrows speaks French but he is really under-qualified. And if you are not already on the staff who really wants to be the interim coach of a terrible team?
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Feb 9, 2022 16:10:57 GMT -5
I expect interim this year (Luke?) and then one of the following in the off season:
Pascal Vincent
Benoit Groulx
Jöel Bouchard
Jim Montgomery
Patrick Roy
With Tourigny firmly in place in Arizona, I think Vincent would be the next up and comer although he actually has a fair bit of experience in the pro ranks. Groulx has been known to be a hard a$$ in the past, but he seems to get a fair bit out of his teams. Ditto with Bouchard, but will his thing work with millionaires as he seemed to clash with vets in Laval that did not give his desired level of effort and were shipped out? Montgomery is a good coach and has history with Hughes, but does his Anglo first name (Hughes 2.0 in terms of being bilingual) and his past troubles with booze make him too much of a risky venture for Molson and the Comms team? They may go a path of much lesser resistance. And Patrick is a better option at coach than for GM, although that is a bit damned by faint praise.
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Post by seventeen on Feb 9, 2022 16:30:14 GMT -5
I think Roy would be fantastic from a P.R. standpoint and possibly as bad as Ducharme from an effectiveness standpoint. I'm trying to think of a successful coach with a big ego and I can't. Nick Saban at Alabama comes to mind, but he was a failure in the pros. It's different from having ultimate power, to handling guys making more money than you who can ruin you simply by not trying very hard. Brind'amour, Boudreau, Trotz, Cassidy (I could keep going), none of them want more attention than the team. None of them think they're the greatest.
But they'd sell a lot of papers and podcasts with Roy as coach.
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Feb 9, 2022 16:35:31 GMT -5
Or Marty? Wow if true.
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Post by mikeg on Feb 9, 2022 16:42:23 GMT -5
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Post by drkcloud on Feb 9, 2022 16:43:58 GMT -5
It's Marty St Louis! Intriguing choice! Looking forward to see him in action with the youngsters
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Post by seventeen on Feb 9, 2022 16:59:23 GMT -5
Does he have any coaching experience?
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Post by mikeg on Feb 9, 2022 17:11:04 GMT -5
Does he have any coaching experience? Was a PP specialist coach with Torts in Columbus for a few months.. coaching aaa 13 year olds now. But I live this hire, give him a chance and what can go wrong? |
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Post by drkcloud on Feb 9, 2022 17:30:51 GMT -5
Does he have any coaching experience? Was a PP specialist coach with Torts in Columbus for a few months.. coaching aaa 13 year olds now. But I live this hire, give him a chance and what can go wrong? As was pointed out elsewhere, Rod Brindamour has been successful in Carolina with no coaching experience. I'd put Marty in the same category as a smart hockey man, hopefully he can teach. A lot of good things said about his time as a PP specialist and God knows we need that |
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Post by drkcloud on Feb 9, 2022 17:34:12 GMT -5
Hopefully he can provide some guidance to CC on being a small man in this league. Have to be prepared to get his nose dirty, which Marty certainly didn't mind. He had no problem going to the dirty areas and paying the price. CC needs to earn a few scars for that boyish mug
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Post by Willie Dog on Feb 9, 2022 17:36:41 GMT -5
Does he have any coaching experience? Was a PP specialist coach with Torts in Columbus for a few months.. coaching aaa 13 year olds now. But I live this hire, give him a chance and what can go wrong? According to wikipedia hes been a special teams consultant for 3 years with the blues |
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Nov 7, 2022 16:37:29 GMT -5
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